Monday, October 16, 2023

144,000 -literal? [] Why so Long? [] 24 Elders

QUESTION RECEIVED:

I have a question regarding the 144k. The 2000 odd years since Jesus's death has been a fairly long time and evidentially Jws are scrambling to justify increases to the number of partakers and the fact that (by their statistics) the number should have been made up long ago.

I dont believe we can trust their numbers to give us any indication of the amount of people who have actually been annointed. I think it's probably only a matter of time until the GB announces that the annointed number is symbolic and not a literal 144k as they've been teaching for decades.

I wanted to get some insight on this topic as its hard to grasp sometimes what has literal or symbolic application when it comes to revelations. Rev 7:5-8 says that the sealed make up a portion of the 12 tribes. I'm confused about the tribes' meaning and whether or not the numbers are exact and physical...? Either way, why is it necessary for the number (whether symbolic or not) to be made up? There have already been thousands of sealed, and as you have said, the harvest is nearly done. I'm just not sure why humanity has had to wait/endure/suffer in existence for so long when God already has so many Chosen from the first century. Once again, thank you for your insight
Also who are the 24 elders in white robes or what do they represent?
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MY REPLY:
I hope you are reading all the cited scriptures as you come to them. That is where holy spirit will open the understanding of these things up to you.

The book of Revelation is symbolic. If you look at the Greek for Rev.1:1, it contains a word that is rarely brought over into English when translated. I'll give you a link to the Greek so you can find it yourself.

Here is the word:
eshmanen
esEmanen
G4591
vi Aor Act 3 Sg
He-SIGNifiES
he-signifies-it

-- If you look at the capital letters (I did not change anything), you will see " SIGN ifiES ".
That's because the book is given to us in SIGNs. The seals are in place to prevent an open understanding of those signs. Understanding is exclusively for Christ's faithful servants
(Matt.13:34-35,11-13; Rev.22:16,6; 1:1). 
The seals are finally opened, in the time of the end (Rev.20:12; 22:10; Dan.12:4,9-10).

The symbols (and what is about to happen as depicted in them) can then be understood in the time of the end, 
through spirit (John16:12-13; Rev.22:6).

The seals are opened and deciphered, through the trumpets of the 7 angels (Rev.15:7; 8:2; 10:7; Isa.58:1NIV ).

144000 is a symbolic number. It is based upon the numeral 12, which represents truth because it is the sum of two witnesses (6+6=12). 144000 is the result of 12x12x1000. That's why there are 12 tribes, and 12,000 in each tribe. Those tribes are not headed by the sons of Jacob, but by the 12 apostles (Matt.19:28). The tribes are comprised of symbolic Jews (Rom.2:28-29; Gal.3:29; Rom.9:6).

The thousand,
     (as we observe in the numeral 1,000 that symbolizes Christ's reign over the 144000) 
...represents a receiving of a kingdom due to faithfulness.
  To briefly explain this, we see the faithful anointed as having traversed the path of Christ to the end, as Paul said, to finish the race (Matt.16:24-26; John14:6; 2Tim.4:7-8).
Rev.17:14 displays that progression as "called, chosen, faithful". 
First we are called/drawn by the Father to Christ (John6:44; 17:6; 1Cor.1:26). 
Second (if that is successful) we are chosen 
(1Cor.1:27-29; 1Pet.2:9; 1:2; Mark 13:20; Luke18:7; John15:19; Acts 9:15; 10:41; Rom.8:33; Eph.1:11; Col.3:12; 1Thess.1:4; James 2:5; Isa.43:10). 
After being chosen, we face the fork in the road of being faithful or unfaithful to God's choosing of us 
(1Cor.4:2; Heb.10:38; Matt.24:45; 25:21; Eph.1:1; 1Tim.2:7; Col.1:2; 1Pet.4:10; 3John1:3; Rev.2:10; 14:12; 17:14).

You can see "called" as 10. "Chosen" as 100. "Faithful" and as receiving your kingdom with Christ, as 1000. It is the same with first, second/mid-heaven, and third heaven 
  (Rev.14:6ASV ; Rev.8:13ASV ; 2Cor.12:2; Neh.9:6; Luke2:14NIV ).
The 144000 have attained their kingdom of truth with Christ, by being victorious over the world (Rev.3:21; Eph.2:6).

666 represents 3 liars... the Devil, the false prophet, and the sea beast.
Those who worship the beast's image, are under compulsion to serve and obey it. This is symbolized by having their thoughts, faith, and actions, directed by that Beast (Rev.16:13-14; 1Tim.4:1; Rev.13:16-18)
Two witnesses (12) represent truth.
(John8:17; Rev.11:3,12; Matt.17:3,5; Heb.12:1; Rev.1:7; Jude 1:14).
God's slaves are not the beasts slaves. 
Instead of being marked by the false teachings of demons and of the Beast, they are marked as slaves of God, and marked by the truthful teachings of God which they serve and obey (Deut.11:18; Rev.14:1; 7:3)

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You said; "Rev 7:5-8 says that the sealed make up a portion of the 12 tribes."
I don't understand what you are saying. I see those verses as showing that all members of the 144000 are sealed. Can you clarify?
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Your question about suffering and why God has waiting so long, I'll give you a link for.
As regards your thought about God being satisfied with a past number of sealed anointed...
remember that God considers the anointed, His sons (Gal.3:26; 4:6).

If Jesus describes his love as a shepherd who leaves his 99 sheep to find one of his lambs, why would he abandon the harvest of the full number of anointed faithful? (Matt.18:12)
To illustrate; 
If you had 12 sons who fell into a well, would you be satisfied after rescuing a few, abandoning the rest?
Well you may think that the other 9 do not yet exist, so you're not really abandoning them. 
  In God's mind of seeing the end from the beginning (Isa.46:9-10), all those who love Him and died, are living to him (Luke 20:38) as are all those whom He knows will love him, and have not yet been born (Ps.139:15-16; Eph.2:10; 2Thess.2:13-14; 1Cor.2:7) but who are written in the Lamb's book of life from the foundation (Rev.13:8). 
Jesus was not yet born when all the prophecies were written about him. 
Like Jesus, God has a purpose for each anointed one, whether they presently exist, have already died, or have not yet been born. We are not His counselor in such matters (Rom.11:34-36; Isa.40:13).

Now, as regards the 24 elders...
As previously mentioned, 6 represents a testimony. 12 represents 2 witnesses, a testimony of truth. In this case, we have 4 witnesses or testimonies (6x4=24).  
The 24 elders represent a unified, harmonious testimony given by this group throughout the 4 corners of the earth (N.S.E.W.). They are the teachers in the Body of Christ (1Cor.12:28; Eph.4:11; Matt.23:34; Acts 13:1; James 3:1).

 Rev.4:10-11

In fact, all those surrounding the thrones of God and Christ in heaven, are members of the body of Christ... members of Christ's bride and God's kingdom administration.
As we learn in 1Cor.12; Eph.2 and Eph.4, etc., there are many differing assignments in that Body... apostle, prophet, teacher, evangelists, healers, etc. There are also the watchmen, which are symbolized as the 4 living creatures (Mark 13:34NIV Mark13:35; John10:3 > LINK ).
The 24 elders are dressed in white robes, which is defined at Rev.19:8. 
The means of attaining that robe, is defined at Rev.6:9-11; 7:13-14.

Tuesday, October 10, 2023

Light and Darkness

Question received: 
John 9:4 has been on my mind lately.
Do you think Jesus was referring to more than himself as the "Light" going away and the darkness being more than the absence of His presence?
Spiritual darkness?


My Reply:
We read at John 8:12 that Jesus referred to himself as the light of the world.
At Matt.5:14 Jesus said of his followers, "You are the light of the world."
At John 20:21 Jesus said; "As the Father sent me, so I am sending you". 
Verse 22 continues, "Then he breathed on them and said, 'Receive the holy spirit'." (John 20:22)

At John3:34 Jesus said about himself
  "For he whom God has sent, speaks the words of God; for God gives the Spirit without measure."
There we see the connection between having God's spirit, and accurately teaching God's words.
At Matt.10:20, Jesus again said of his disciples; 
"It will not be you speaking, but the spirit of your Father speaking through you."

  So we see a commonality between the role of Christ and the role of his faithful body members.
Christ and the anointed are sent to bring spiritual light into the world (Mal.2:7; Rev.5:10). 
Both Jesus and his Body members are enabled and prompted by the spirit of God, to teach God's words of divine truth.

Now note what is said about the Day of the Lord...
"Why do you long for the day of the LORD? That day will be darkness, not light" (Amos 5:18 NIV)
  Please read: 
John9:4; Jer.13:16; Zeph.1:15; Matt.24:29; Joel 2:2,31; Rev.9:2; 2:26,28; Isa.60:1-3; Mal.4:2-4

Jesus foretold above at Matt.24:29 that "the power of the heavens would be shaken". 
That is a parallel to Dan.12:7 where we are told that "the power of the holy ones will be brought to nothing". 
If you don't know about the heavens, consisting of Christ (sun), ...moon (sealed anointed) ...and stars (individual anointed), as being the symbolic heavens; Please consider this post:
  As regards the heavens being shaken", please derive what that is describing, from these verses:
(Ps.16:8; 21:7; 60:2; 109:23; Isa.54:10; Amos 9:9; Job 34:20)
Why would God, "shake the heavens"?
He tells us at Haggai 2...
  "6 “This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘In a little while I will once more shake the heavens and the earth, the sea and the dry land. 7 I will shake all nations, *and what is desired by all nations will come, and I will fill this house with glory,’ says the Lord Almighty." *(Zech.4:10; Mal.3:1-2,3-4).

  God is shaking loose, all that which is spiritually desirable from the midst of the heavens, earth, sea, and parched realms (Ps.82:5; 105:28). That advances God's purpose, to harvest those who are inclined toward divine truth and life before the End of the age 
(Matt.13:30,38-40; Mark 4:26-27,28-29; Rev.14:14-16; Matt.13:47-50,30; 2Pet.3:7,10). Fire is symbolic Jer.23:29; Jer.5:14NIV ; Rev.11:5) (LINK: Fire-from-Heaven).
Since the time of Jesus, those inclined toward everlasting life have been being gathered in (John 4:35-36). But the time arrives to reap the final, late crop (Amos 7:1-2,8; Isa.65:8; Eze.14:22).

  When the heavens are shaken and the sun, moon, and stars cannot give their light (Isa.13:9-10; Eze.32:8; Matt.24:29). This is caused by the army of locusts who darken the heavens (Joel 2:2-3,10,12,25,31-32; Rev.9:2-3). They are sourced in the enemy of divine light and life... the father of deception and death (John 8:44; Rev.13:4; 9:11; Isa.33:1). 
The anointed priesthood is assigned to wage spiritual war against the Devil's dark forces... once their daystar arrives to deliver them from the dark.
(2Pet.1:19; Mal.4:2; Acts 3:20; Hosea 6:3; Isa.60:1; Hosea 2:23; Rev.22:16; John14:21)
(Eph.6:12; 2:1-2; 2Cor.4:3-4,5-6; Eph.4:18; 5:8-10,11-12,13-14; 2Cor.10:3-5; Rev.17:14)
(Ps.18:28; 107:14; 112:4; Isa.9:2; 1Pet.2:9; Col.1:13,21; 1Thess.5:4-6; John 1:5).

If you have not yet read about the cause of the Great Tribulation; if you read the following post link, you will understand how this locust-scorpion army causes the Great Tribulation.
The battle of Armageddon, is that battle between truth and deception, after Christ's anointed are set free from being trampled by the Gentiles, and they repent of their ignorant captivity to demonic deception (Isa.30:26; 5:30; 59:9; Matt.24:24-25; 5:13; Luke 21:20; Ps.143:3; Rev.13:7,10; Col.2:8; Luke 21:24; Dan.11:33; Eph.4:18-19; Col.1:21) (1Tim.4:1; Rev.16:13-14) (Col.1:13-14; 1Pet.2:9)



All heavenly light is cloaked during the Great Tribulation, it is the "night when no one can work" (John 9:4). 
That could not have been in the first century, because at that time Jesus said "“My Father is always at his work to this very day, and I too am working.” (John5:17).
It's very important to learn and understand from scripture, about the cause and effect of the Great Tribulation upon those who God considers his people (1Pet.2:9-10). If you haven't read that yet, please do (especially the scriptures)> (https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-greatest-tribulation-why.html)
My point, is that the Great Tribulation is a time of darkness to the point of being totally blind. That tribulation causes the body members to be cut off from Christ (Dan.8:11,13; 9:26; 11:22; John15:5). They have no light, without him.
Without him, they can do nothing (John 15:4-5; 9:4).
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If you'd like more information about spiritual light and spiritual darkness, here are more posts.



Saturday, October 7, 2023

Jonah's Fish

Still editing 

Matt.12: "40 For as Jonah was in the belly of the huge fish [sea creature/monster] three days and three nights, so the Son of Man will be in the heart of the earth three days and three nights."

First let's visit the Greek interlinear for this verse, to get the original Greek words that were written.
Here is a link to it, but I will copy below a picture of verse 40...
  ( https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/mat12.pdf )


We're going to focus in on the word for "sea creature" 
 G2785

In order to get the definition of this Greek word, we take note of its designation as "G2785". That's this word's index number in Strong's dictionary.
Now we'll look it up. First do a Google search for " Strong's G2785 ".
There will be a result for Blue Letter Bible. Click on that, and it will take you to the definition of G2785. Here is the link: ( https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g2785/kjv/tr/0-1/ )
Here is a screen shot. 
Now please take note that aside from the conclusion drawn by translators that this creature which swallowed Jonah when he was thrown into the sea, is literally a large aquatic animal;
Note near the top it is given the root of this word for the sea creature's identity.
 G5490
Now we are going to look up what this Greek word means. This definition is much more reliable, because our original word (G2785) only occurs two places in the Bible, and both places are the same context, giving us little help in understanding a clear definition. (Jonah 1:17; Matt.12:40).
Here is the page that defines G5490: ( https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g5490/kjv/tr/0-1/ )



Please take note that a precise animal is not mentioned, but rather the idea of a great opening, gape, chasm, gulf... a great and deep divide. It may not make sense for now, to equate a creature with a gaping deep hole, but as we continue, this will make perfect sense.
Here is the other place in the Bible where this chasm is directly referred to. Luke 16:24-26.
Take note that there is a great chasm between Abraham and Lazarus on one side, and the one in agony on the other side. He longs for water, but a chasm prevents him receiving it. His life was filled with comfort, while the life of Lazarus was filled with misery. In the scene above, the circumstances are reversed in a display of justice. The chasm assures the final outcome of justice cannot be changed. Once this sentence is executed, it cannot be reversed.
We know that "water" is a Bible symbol for divine truth (John 4:10; Rev.22:1; John 17:3; 6:63; 14:6).
What does the Bible teach us about the allegorical situation depicted by Luke 16:24-26 above?
How are some who have suffered, being granted living water, 
and others, denied that water? How is there a chasm in between the two sorts?
Matt.13:11; Matt.25:8 NIV Matt.25:9 NIV  1Cor.10:21; Gal.1:8; Rev.3:7 NIV

15 Let not the floodwater overflow me,
Nor let the deep swallow me up;
And let not the pit shut its mouth on me." Ps.69:15 NKJV

Isa.5:14; Prov.30:13-14,15-16; Hab.2:5 NIV ; (Hab.ch.2); Rev.6:7-8
 1Pet.5:8

Ps.55:15; Num.16:30-31,32-33; Hab.1:5; Rev.19:20 NIV Isa.43:19 NIV Jer.31:21-23,24-25
Luke 21:20 NIV ; Luke 19:43 NIV



Psalm 5:12; 3:3
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Bible meanings of surround/compass are two.
Man of Lawlessness/Gentiles seek to destroy "woman" Jerusalem. Surrounds Jerusalem, desolates (Matt.24:15). Christ loses temple (Dan.8:11; 9:26). Woman surrounds, desolates Man of Lawlessness. Woman defends master, master defends/blesses woman.



Friday, June 2, 2023

144,000 and Great Crowd, Compared [] Sealed [] Serving as Priests

This comment below was left under the post: 
It read; 
"You imply that the 144000 and the great crowd are similar in the way that both groups have been anointed (does this therefore mean that they are given the same assignment? If not, how do their roles differ?). This makes sense as only 'priests' or anointed may "render... sacred service day and night in his temple" without defilement. Are you implying that only those who are anointed are saved and sealed to reign with Christ and worship God? If so, who do they reign over if they are all priests? If not, how may non-anointed ones serve or worship Him without defilement or be saved, or how can they become anointed? (please excuse my misunderstanding if these are simple questions as I have only begun studying the bible around 5-6 months ago)"

My response:
First you ask if all anointed receive the same assignment.
If you recall, all anointed who are joined to Christ their head, become one spirit with him because they become a part of his body 
(Eph.5:23; 4:14; 1:22-23;  1Cor.6:17; John 17:21,23; 15:4-5,7-8;  1Cor.12:27).
---All anointed priests are required to produce fine fruit, which symbolizes the teaching of divine truth (Mal.2:7;  1John2:20,27). 
If you do not see that interpretation clearly (fruit=teaching), please consider this post: 
---Priests offer incense, which means to offer prayer in behalf of others 
(Luke 1:9; Ps.141:2; Rev.5:8 <(note "elders"); James 5:14-15 <(note "elders");  1Cor.6:1,2,3)
None other than priest, can offer incense or sacrifice. Yet even in this, there are specific rules. The prophet Samuel was a priest of God in the days when Saul was king of Israel. Even the king could not perform the duties of priest 
(1Sam.13:7-14;  2Chron.23:6-7). All are to observe God's law to honor the distinction God makes, between the consecrated and the common.
---All priests are to offer the sacrifice of praise to God, the "bulls" of the lips (Hosea 14:2 (ESV) ; Heb.13:15). 

Next you ask;
"If not (all given the same assignment), how do their roles differ?

This question assumes that the role of priest cannot vary among individual priests, unless they are not given the same assignment.
As mentioned above, the general assignment of priest contains some common services. There are others in addition to the ones mentioned. 
If you remember back to the practice of anointing in Israel, it was used to manifest God's choosing of a priest or king. Although an anointed king was given the general assignment to rule God's nation; each king faced various circumstances, which he as an individual would need to be responsible for. In most cases, God would communicate to that king through a prophet, outlining particular responsibilities for that individual king.

Although there are the general assignments given to all New Covenant anointed priests, regardless of when they live; their individual roles, do differ. So may their circumstances.
How do we know this?
Well remember above that I mentioned the union of the Body members of Christ, with him as Head?
Your question, is addressed in 1Corinthians, chapter 12.
I'll quote some key verses...
1Cor.12:
4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. 5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6 There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work. 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines. 12 Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ. 14 And so the body is not made up of one part but of many. 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? 18 But in fact God has placed the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19 If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20 As it is, there are many parts, but one body. 27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28 And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret?"

These differences do reflect God's original Temple in Israel, which was designed as a physical pattern of the spiritual reality of heaven (2Chron.31:2;  1Chron.9:22-23,26,28-30; Heb.8:1-2,5).
Please give another look at verse 29 which reads;
"29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers?"
All the apostles, prophets, and teachers in the body of Christ, are anointed into their assignment as priests. How do those assignments compare both in commonality and uniqueness?
Note that verse 28 (underlined above) shows us an order to Christ's Body. 
The apostles are primary, next are the prophets, then teachers, etc.
To show that these positions are not always fluid, those who are assigned lesser responsibility than a teacher, are given the advice of James 3:1. Yet each one's assignment includes all gifts under them. For example, the apostles can prophesy and teach. Prophets can teach. Teachers can heal, help, and guide. Yet those given less, can not will themselves to be an apostle or prophet, or even a teacher (Matt.25:14-15;  1Pet.4:10). This is further revealed at Num.3:3-4; Lev.10:1; 16:1-2.
God considers it an even greater abomination, if the priesthood is traversed by uncircumcised foreigners (Eze.44:6-7,8-9,13;  2Chron.13:9). It has been long prophesied that this exact abomination takes place in the time of the End (Matt.24:15; Dan.11:31,36;  2Thess.2:4; Rev.11:2)

That order of Christ's Body members, is also the order of God's Temple of living stones (1Pet.2:5).
The Body and Temple are the same identity, both being expressed through each symbol (body,temple)(John 2:21).
We learn that at Eph.2:
20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit."
 Eph.2:6; Heb.12:22-23; 8:2,5

Just as the apostles are "first" and prophets are "second" (1Cor.12:28) and all the other Body parts of Christ come to follow them; At Eph.2:20, we learn the reason for that order. The "first" and "second" are the foundation.
So, to be direct...
all anointed priests are assigned to belong to the Body of Christ, and, are all living stones of God's habitation.
Yet their roles can certainly differ, even while they all offer sacred service day and night.
Even among the apostles ...their assignments differed from one another. Yet they were all apostles and foundation stones to the Holy City and the Christian faith (Rev.21:14).

You next ask;
"Are you implying that only those who are anointed are saved and sealed to reign with Christ and worship God?"

Not sure how you got this idea, and I wonder if you understand what it means to be "saved" or to be "sealed". You are connecting being "sealed to reigning with Christ" and then you hook on "and worship God".
I'll have to take that in pieces.

"Are you implying that only those who are anointed are saved?"    
       No. The role of priest is to assist others to be saved.

"Are you implying that only those who are anointed are...sealed?"
       I wonder if you know what it means to be sealed. 
It means to be spiritually marked as a slave of God. That mark is present when a person has God's Laws written on their heart and mind. God's Laws govern that one's faith, conscience, and actions. They then have the seal of God written on their forehead and hand (Deut.11:18; Rev.7:3; 14:1).

I don't know why you say "sealed to reign".
One can be sealed as a slave of God, without being a royal heir. There are those who were chosen to reign, who fail to get sealed. In fact, they even become sealed as obedient, idolater slaves of an Idol (Rev.13:16,7,10; Col.2:8; Luke 21:24; Dan.11:33).

And finally you ask; "Are you implying that only those who are anointed...worship God?"
       I'm not clear why you are asking this.
Don't you recall that the whole nation of Israel, along with foreigners, worshiped God?
Were all those worshipers, anointed kings or priests?
I assume you already know that all those who worship God, are not anointed.
Genuine anointed Kings and Priests since the time of Christ, are designated, chosen, and assigned, 
to serve God, each other, and those who desire life from Christ.

Next you ask;
"how may non-anointed ones serve or worship Him without defilement or be saved, or how can they become anointed?"

That question is two-part.
FIRST:

All may serve and worship God without defilement and be saved, by learning from Christ and God. God sent Christ into the world to save it. That salvation is through Christ's teaching (John 6:63) because of the spirit of life and light, contained in the teaching. 
However, 
if a person has not been chosen and anointed by God to be a priest, they are not permitted to serve in that capacity. If they do enter into that service, they do defile it.

How do priests fit into the salvation of others?
I'll cite Mal.2:7 again. 
The teaching of life is symbolized as light, living water, a grapevine, or incorruptible wheat seed.
All three, originate with Jesus Christ 
(John 1:4,9,14; 8:12; 4:10,14; John 15:5; Luke 8:11;  1Pet.1:23; John 3:34; 6:51,35).

All three, are given by spirit to God's anointed priests, to continue the ministry of Christ.
(2Cor.5:20; 4:6;  1Pet.2:9; Matt.5:14-16)(Rev.22:17)
(John 15:16; Luke 6:43-45; Matt.13:51-52; 7:20; Rev.22:1-3)
(1Cor.10:17; Luke 8:15; Matt.13:37-38) 
(John 13:20;  1Cor.4:1; John 21:17; Luke 12:42)

SECOND:
Lastly you ask, "how may non-anointed...become anointed?"

Non-anointed become anointed, because God chooses them to be so. That assignment is not something that we can aspire to, or attain on our own. 
We recall that we previously looked at the apostles as being "first"... the foundation of God's spiritual Temple. Did they choose that position and earn it in some way?
Well, John 6:70 shows that they were chosen. (John 15:16)
   If you read in the Bible, the accounts of their individual choosing, you will see that they did not anticipate when Jesus approached and chose them. It is the same when we are anointed, and Jesus circumcises our heart [Rom.2:28-29; Col.2:11 (NIV)]. The event is unexpected and miraculous.
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You brought up the distinction between the 144,000 and the Great Crowd; yet your questions did not really probe the distinction between their circumstances, nor how their responsibilities differ.

The 144000 reign with Christ DURING the symbolic thousand years (Rev.20:6). They exercise their authority to represent Christ, in the time during which, Jesus is subduing his enemies through the anointed (Mount Zion -Rev.14:1; Psalm 110:2) (Luke 22:69; Ps.110:1-2;  1Cor.15:25).

When that symbolic 1,000 year period ends, Satan is released from the abyss. 
He goes off to wage war with the remaining anointed (Rev.20:7-9; 17:14; 12:17). 
That enmity between Satan and his minions, against Christ and his faithful, is the period of time called the Great Tribulation which evolves into Armageddon. 
That is the era during which the Great Crowd exist (Rev.7:9,13,14,15). 

We read above in 1Cor.15:25 that Jesus rules until all enemies are subdued beneath his feet. Obviously, when Satan is released, gathers his forces, and attacks the anointed... all enemies are not yet subdued. 
1Cor.15:26 tells us that the very last enemy is "Death". That is the enemy that the Great Crowd must overcome, with Christ's help. That enemy emerges during the 4th watch. You can see God's watchman sound the warning as that enemy approaches, at Rev.6:7 (NKJV) and Rev.6:8 (NKJV)

The anointed kings under Christ are always charged with bringing Christ to those who want and accept him. 
The 144000 do that during Satan being restrained in the abyss. 
The Great Crowd must do that when Satan is loosed.

I hope that my reply has satisfied your need. There is a great amount of information in this entire blog site to fill in many missing pieces to this topic. Please use the search box, and feel free to follow up with additional questions if you need to.

Sunday, May 7, 2023

How does the Wicked Steward beat his Fellow Slaves?

Luke 12: "45 But suppose the servant says to himself, ‘My master is taking a long time in coming,’ and he then begins to beat the other servants, both men and women, and to eat and drink and get drunk."

Prov.19: "29 Penalties are prepared for mockers,
    and beatings for the backs of fools."

From these two previously cited verses, we see that the essence of the steward's beatings, is to condemn and punish as fools, those who are genuine servants of Christ.

-- What did Jesus have to say, about publicly condemning his own servants, as fools?
(I am going to add the deeper meanings of the Greek)

Matt.5: "22 But I tell you, everyone who is angry with his brother or sister[without real cause] will be subject to judgment. Whoever insults[demeans/publicly humiliates] his brother or sister [without real cause] will be subject to the court. Whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be subject to Gehenna [lake of fire/second death].

By our being thrown out of the congregation, condemned as spiritual fools, and slandered as servants of Satan;
we are beaten by the wicked steward 
(John 16:2; Isa.57:1-2; 66:5-6; Rev.11:3,7-9; Isa.34:3).

As we know from Rev.20:10; the false prophet and her beast, ARE thrown into the Lake of Fire... just as Matt.5:22 WEB states.
Satan is thrown there to suffer "day and night" also (Rev.20:10), because he also  slanders God's servants, "day and night" (Rev.12:10).

Jesus said that how we judge, we will be judged (Matt.7:2; Rev.18:6).

The wicked steward condemns the faithful as fools.
  Prov.10:18 judges that slanderer, as a fool...
"The one who conceals hatred has lying lips,
and whoever spreads slander is a fool."

1John 3: "14 We know that we have passed from death to life because we love our brothers and sisters. The one who does not love remains in death. 15 Everyone who hates his brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him."
(Matt.5:21-22)
Rev.3: "1 “Write to the messenger of the church in Sardis: Thus says the one who has the seven spirits of God and the seven stars: I know your works; you have a reputation for being alive, but you are dead."

Friday, March 24, 2023

When are we born again?

1Pet.1: "22 Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for each other, love one another deeply, from the heart. 23 For you *have been born again,* not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God."

The seed of our new life, is the Word of God... divine truth. Are we only to accept that seed and the spirit  life it provides (John 6:63) upon the return of Christ?

Jesus said that we need to take his truths into ourselves, or we have no life in us (John 6:55,53). That life, results from the incorruptible seed, the Word.

That "seed" is also mentioned at Luke 8:11. There Jesus said...

"11 ‘This is the meaning of the parable: the seed is the word of God.15 But the seed on good soil stands for those with a noble and good heart, who hear the word, retain it, and by persevering produce a crop."

--Jesus is indicating that if we accept the Word of God (Jesus is the Word/Logos and his teachings were of God -John 12:49). The time to cultivate that truth in our heart, is now. If we do, we are alive in a new birth, a spiritual one.

John6:63 "63 The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you – they are full of the Spirit and are life."

--Going back to our first scripture,  1Pet.1:22 describes those who are born again, as practicing the greatest command of Jesus (John 13:34,35). They love deeply and sincerely, their fellow Christians.

1John 3:14 agrees.

"14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love his brother abides in death."

The time for learning from and obeying Jesus, is now. We can then be born as spirit, and have the spiritual life that results. At John 6:63 quoted above, Jesus told us that his teachings are full of spirit, and life is the result from that spirit.

Rom.8:9 again states that option as current, also referring to it in the past tense...

"9 But you are no longer in realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His."

John 5:24  "24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life."

Monday, January 2, 2023

Who and What are the " Gifts to Men "?

Who are the "gifts to men"? (Eph.4:8,10-11)
Are they JW elders?

Of these "gift" bearers, we read that they were "taken captive".
Eph.4: "8 As the scripture says, 
"When he went up to the very heights, he took many captives with him; he gave gifts *to/in men."
         *[the original Greek literally translates, "gifts to the men". 
            WT taught me "gifts in men", as if the men are the gifts. Not so, as we shall see.]

What are these gifts, who receive them, and who are the source of these gifts to yet others?
(Please consider 1Cor. 12:1,4,7,10-11,18,28,27; Eph.5:23,30-31,25-27;  2Pet. 3:14; Rev.19:7-8; 21:9-11)
Those who are "one body" with Jesus Christ, are his bride members 
(Eph.5:30-32;  1Cor. 6:17; Gal.4:6;  2Cor. 1:22).

What does it mean to be "taken captive"?
We learn the answer to that question, by two verses... 2Cor. 10:5 and Col.2:8...
2Cor.10: "5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ"
Col.2: "8 See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ."

Clearly, the captivity in question, is one which governs our mind, providing us with limits and boundaries, directing the fabric of our faith and perception. Tenets which outline our morality, will dictate, restrict, and rule over our decisions and actions, by our obedience to a given belief.

Returning to Eph.4:8, we read; 
"When he went up to the very heights, he took many captives with him, he gave gifts to/in men".
Where are these ones being held in captivity?
Eph.4:8 told us that they are captive "up to the very heights", the same place that Jesus went "up to". 
"When" Jesus ascended, "he took" these ones "with him".

We learn from the scene of the ascension account, that in a physical aspect; Jesus ascended alone (Acts 1:9). What of a spiritual aspect, regarding ascending "up to the very heights"?
Eph.2:6 reads;
"And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus".

To be seated in the heavens, is a spiritual position. According to Jesus, that "seated" position is reserved for those who conquer the devil.
"To the one who conquers, I will grant the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I conquered and sat down with My Father on His throne." (Rev.3:21).

These tried and tested conquerors, need not wait until after death to receive this stature of being enthroned...
"Young men, I write to you because you are strong, the word of God remains in you, and you have conquered the evil one." (1John 2:14b)
"We are more than conquerors through him who loved us.” (Rom.8:37)
Again...
"To the one who conquers, I will grant the right to sit with Me on My throne, just as I conquered and sat down with My Father on His throne." (Rev.3:21) (Isa.66:1; Eph.3:10)
And again Eph.2:6...
"And God raised us up with Christ and seated us with him in the heavenly realms in Christ Jesus".

The throne upon which Jesus sits with his Father, is not physical, but is a power and authority that is exerted in a spiritual way
(Matt.28:18; Eph.1:22; Col.1:18; Luke 22:69; Ps.110:1;  1Cor. 15:25).

As we read at Rev.3:21 above, Jesus grants that same power and authority to those who join him in conquering the world and it's ruler
(John 1:14; 17:22; Luke 12:42 )
(John 16:33; 14:30;  1John 5:4-5; 4:4)...
"17 The seventy-two returned with joy and said, ‘Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name. 18 He replied, ‘I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you. 20 However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.’" (Luke10).
John 20: "22 And with that he breathed on them and said, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.’"


Who is taken up into heaven, to be seated as a king with Christ on his spiritual throne?

Rev.11:12; Heb.12:1; Eph.2:6;  1Thess. 4:17


JWs, please ask yourself...
Are the "gifts in men" who are taken with Christ into the heavens to reign with him, really your local elders?
Please... wake up and "catch sight" of the trespassing impostors who were prophesied to come and trample the genuine 
(Mark 13:13-14;  2Thess. 2:4;  1Cor. 3:17; Matt.24:15-16; Rev.11:2; Luke 21:24; Rev.13:10; Dan.8:13; 9:27; 11:31; 7:21; Rev.13:7,10; John 16:2; Rev.11:7,12; Dan.7:25-27)!



Thursday, July 7, 2022

Pearls

Question received:
What is the Bible's symbolic meaning of pearls?

My reply:
Pearls are formed when a grain of sand gets stuck in a mollusk. That grain, irritates the mollusk, and that mollusk releases a substance in order to encapsulate the grain and quell the irritation. But this only enlarges the irritant, and so the process of encapsulation, continues. The encapsulation, then continues to enlarge.
Oysters and clams are sea creatures (Lev.11:10). When I think of that, I remember Isa.57:20, which defines the sea as representing the realm of the wicked, or those who are not a part of God's land and habitation of His spirit (Greek:"oikumene").

Oysters and clams, shut themselves tightly. They firmly entrap anything that gets into them while they are opened to feed.
Whenever I think of grains of sand, I think of the individual sons of Abraham (Gen.22:17). 
Today, that would be the unsealed (of earth) anointed (Gal.3:29; Rom.9:8; 2:28-29)
(1Cor. 15:49;  1John 3:2; John 17:22) (https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014/12/glory.html).

We know that the "sands of the sea" are pieces of earth....
     (not yet sealed stars of the heavens -Gen.22:17; Phil.2:15; Dan.12:3), 
....who are in the clutches of, subordinate, vulnerable, and helpless before the whim of the sea (Eph.4:14; James 1:6).
If they become entrapped by a sea creature, they are no part of that sea-world that they are caught inside of, and the wicked world, hates them (John 17:15-16; 15:18).

This is just as the grain of sand is "hated" by the oyster, and the oyster sends upon that grain, defenses against the irritation which that grain of sand, initiates.
As the grain endures being the target of that oysters defenses... layers of pearl start forming. That which started out as a grain of sand, is being transformed, into a precious gem. When someone finally releases that pearl from the grasp of the oyster, it is then recognized for the precious gem it has become (Matt.13:45-46; 7:6; Rev.21:21; Matt.13:46;  1Cor. 7:23;  2Pet. 2:1; Rev.5:9).



For those of you on a phone, here is a link to the cited scriptures:

Tuesday, June 7, 2022

Wings

Question received:
What do "wings" in the Bible, symbolize?

Reply:
Spiritual wings are two abilities that holy spirit gives the bearer of those wings, to ascend above the events on earth, so that they can perceive the whole picture. 
The other ability, is mobility and access, to declare what they are seeing (perceiving). 
We are helped to understand this when we read Rev.4:6,8. The four living creatures are "WATCHmen" (Matt.14:25; Isa.62:6; Rev.4:8). As we read at Rev.4:8, they have wings, covered with eyes.

Breath, wind, and air, symbolizes spirit (Eph.2:2; John 20:22; 3:8). 
After being given the ability to "fly"... to arise and to be lifted up in order to perceive and reach preaching territory; It is the spirit that lifts the winged one. It is spirit that the winged one can maneuver through. Spirit carries that one along, in order to direct them to see, perceive and understand (just as the air/wind, carries a winged bird) (Acts 8:39;  2Pet. 1:21; Rev.21:10). In these ways, spirit can work through the one given wings.

Saturday, May 7, 2022

Resurrection of Life or Judgment

Question received:
What is the resurrection of life and the resurrection of judgement (John 5:29)?

My Reply:
I hope you will read all the scriptures, because that is where we learn the answer to your question. I have linked the scriptures, to make it easier for you to read them. For those on a computer/laptop, the scriptures will pop up if you hover your cursor over them.

To be "resurrected" by definition, literally means "to stand again", to be brought back into view or reconsidered. We all "stand again" for a second judgment.
The first standing for judgment, was toward Adam and his offspring (Gen.3:17-18,19)(scriptureLINK). 
It resulted in a condemnation of all humanity, to sin and death (Rom.5:12).
Humanity's loss of spirit life was indicated when the "tree of life" was removed from the reach of Adam and his offspring (Gen.3:22-23,24) (scriptureLINK). Without access to the fruit of the Tree of Life; human existence became finite.

The basis of judgment for the second standing (re-surrection), is based upon the teachings of the second Adam, Jesus Christ.
(see 1Cor. 15:45; John 12:48; Acts 17:31; Matt.7:24; John 5:22,24,27; 6:63; Rev.22:12; Matt.25:31-32,33-34,40-41,44-46) 
   [Scripture link for those on a phone: (LINK)]
----[NOTE: the "fire" of Matt.25:41, is condemnation by the standard of God's Word 
       (*Jer.23:29; Isa.66:15-16; Heb.4:12; Rev.2:16; 19:21) (LINK)]
----[More info. for "fire": 
The essence of that teaching of the second Adam Christ, is his law of love for God and neighbor (John 15:12,17; 13:34-35) (LINK).
We either retain the original sinful father through imitation and obedience to his sinful nature, or we accept, imitate, and obey, the second Adam, Jesus Christ, as our new spiritual, "eternal father", through whom we receive eternal life (Isa.9:6; John 10:10) (LINK).

Those who reject the example and teaching of Jesus Christ, remain in spiritual darkness (1John 1:6; 2:9,11; Matt.6:23) (LINK).
Those who learn, accept, and obey him, come into spiritual light 
(Matt.4:16; John 8:12; 3:19; 12:46; Luke 1:79; Acts 26:18;  2Cor. 4:6; Eph.5:8,11;  1Pet. 2:9; Col.1:13;  1Thess. 5:5; John 1:4;  2Tim. 1:10) (LINK).


Those who stand before the throne of God and Jesus (2Cor. 5:10) to be judged, will either have spiritual life due to obedience to Christ's teaching of love (1John 3:14; John 8:51),  or they have remained under the first judgment of death (1John 3:14-15; John 3:18) (LINK).
Those who fail to access spiritual life through the gospel (John 6:68,63), remain spiritually dead. When those spiritually dead stand before the judgment of Christ's teachings, they remain under the original condemnation of sin and death, because they have failed to avail themselves of God's provision of life, which rescues those who obey Jesus, from sin and death (John 3:14-15,16-17,18-19) (LINK).
Jesus Christ brings the Tree of Life back into reach, for those who are drawn to and accept him (John 6:44; 5:40; 14:6; Rev.2:7; 22:14) (scriptureLINK)

ADDITION:
It has recently been taught by a false prophet, that the judgment Jesus referred to at John 5:24-26,27-28,29 and Matt.25:46... is going to take place after Armageddon and during a thousand years to follow Armageddon.
---[For those of you who do not know what scripture teaches regarding the timing of the thousand years (and Christ's 'thousand year' reign) or Satan's release at the conclusion of that 'thousand years' (igniting the Great Tribulation and Armageddon), I strongly suggest a study of the scriptures contained in these posts:

When are we judged? When is our opportunity to repent, and permanently commit ourselves to God? What period of our lives are we making a name before God, as to whether we are saved and written in the Lamb's scroll of life, or abandoned to the designation of those condemned?
Is it really during a future 'thousand years' after Armageddon?
I offer you scriptures that refute that false doctrine. Please reason upon them:
2Cor. 5:17-18,19-20; 6:1-2; John 3:18; 5:24; Matt.25:44-45,46; John 5:29;  1John 3:14; Matt.25:34-35,36

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