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Saturday, September 28, 2013

Great Tribulation -Two phases

A QUESTION I RECEIVED:

Something strange. I've learned that anointed Christians will be sealed on the forehead before the great tribulation. read Revelation 7:3. But one seal on the forehead means approved.

Jesus said the faithful discreet slave should be put on all that he owns, or be thrown out when he comes after the great tribulation. Matthew 24:45-51
Does that mean that the faithful discreet slave is not sealed before the great tribulation, but all other faithful anointed is sealed before the great tribulation. What do you think? 
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MY REPLY:


What you are actually noticing, is that the Great Tribulation breaks out upon the Chosen Ones, first.

These are the first, to recognize the test before them, and the spiritual war-like condition...
       [not peace and security -(Matt.24:4,5,24,25; Micah 3:5; Jer.6:14,15; 3:3; Eze.13:10,16;  1Thess. 5:3) [Isa.5:5 (Ex.19:12; 20:18) Dan.11:16,45; Rev.11:2) peace-and-security]
...which tribulation, is their true spiritual reality
http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-greatest-tribulation-why.html
They are first to recognize the idolatrous condition of God's people, their Temple priesthood being trampled down under spiritual Gentiles.... (https://pearl-disgustingthing.blogspot.com) (http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/09/trample-how-does-it-happen.html) (http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2018/02/who-is-false-prophet-who-gives-breath.html), 
....and the initial ones to endure the test of loyalty to God and Truth, which the new perception of their actual spiritual circumstances, (Matt.24:15), invokes their response (Rev.13:8;  2Thess.2:4,3,12) 
(Isa.48:10; Zech.13:9; Rev.8:7-12; 12:4; 9:15,18,20;  1Cor.3:13; Rev.6:17; Mal.3:2-3; Luke 18:26-27) 
and choice, 
to either loyally repent, or to continue inside the climate of  idolatry toward the image of a so-called, spirit-inspired alliance (Rev.13:15; 19:20). 
(http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-greatest-tribulation-why.html)
  http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2018/02/who-is-false-prophet-who-gives-breath.html
    http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/09/trample-how-does-it-happen.html
      http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/09/tails-stingers-scorpions-rev910.html
        http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/search?q=the+harlot+and+her+beast 
It is through that test, (and how each Chosen One responds to it), that the unsealed chosen ones are either sealed as slaves of God, Christ, and their mother covenant, New Jerusalem (Rev.14:1; 22:4; 3:12; Gal.4:26,24) (pearl-thewoman.blogspot.com).
[and are given their white robe (Rev.3:5; 6:11; 7:9,13,14; 22:14; 19:8,14; 15:6)].
...Or, they are branded as slaves of other Masters.
You may wish at this point, to see what it means to be sealed on the forehead (Deut.11:18; Rev.13:16).
(http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/05/mark-of-beast.html)
Jesus illustrated the choice between two Masters (Joel 3:14),
in the parable of the 10 virgins. Five chose to source their lamplight in the receptacle they had from the beginning (Gal.3:3; Rev.3:3)...
and five chose to "buy from those who sell" (Matt.25:10; Rev.13:17;  2Cor.2:17; Isa.55:1-2).
(http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2012/12/buying-and-selling.html)
"Buying", requires you to give something up. 
If you engage in spiritual commerce not sourced with Christ (Rev.3:18), your forehead is not marked as a loyal slave of God, but a slave to the one whose doctrines guide and direct you (Gal.1:10; Rom.6:16). 
(pearl-obeymen.blogspot.com)

Those other Masters chosen by the foolish virgins, include the "mother" Covenant of Death (Rev.17:5; Eze.16:2,44,45; Isa.28:15),
(Gal.4:26,24)
her harlot daughters (Eze.16:44; Rev.17:5; Isa.1:21),
and the Gentile Wild Beast with which, the harlot forms a ruling alliance (Rev.13:16,17,18; 16:13) 
The first century Jews in covenant with God, were given the opportunity first, to be of the anointed body of Christ (John 1:11,12,13; Rom.11:28; Acts 13:46). At the end of the Covenant with physical Israel, the unfaithful physical Jews had formed an alliance with physical Gentiles (John 18:35; 19:11,15). They paid for their unfaithfulness, by having their ally turn on them.
  But at the end of the New Covenant, it pertains to spiritual Gentiles forming an adulterous alliance with spiritual Jews, causing the Great Tribulation to the faithful. 
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/09/trample-how-does-it-happen.html
That harlot will also be turned on, by her paramours (Rev.17:16).
       [Spiritual Jews are the anointed 
       (Zech.8:23; John 4:22; Rom.2:28,29; Isa.42:6)  
       (Gen.22:18; Gal.3:29; Rev.22:2; Matt.7:20).

Only after all of these Called Ones are sealed by their master of choice, does the Great Tribulation (caused by the adulterous  alliance with the Gentile Beast) break out on the "trees, earth, and earth/land" (Rev.9:4; 7:3; 12:9,12; 20:8) (Isa.56:8; John 10:16). 

  So when you say, "I've learned that anointed Christians will be sealed on the forehead before the great tribulation"....
  this is both true and false. 
It is false, in that they are sealed while they themselves are being "tribulated"/sifted/trampled by Gentiles.
It is true, in that these are sealed before the sifting tribulation breaks out upon the "rest" (earth/land/sea/trees/plant/green things).

  It should also be recognized, that this "breaking out" of "harm", is, the Great Tribulation
The "144000" are sealed before the outbreak of the Great Tribulation". 
Those "unsealed" who DO go through the Great Tribulation ("great crowd"), are sealed after/during, the "breaking out" of that "harm" (abomination causing desolation/Great Tribulation). 
Yet that harm does not only break out on the unsealed. 
It also breaks out on the "rest"/"earth/land/sea/trees/plant/green things" after the harvest of the anointed wheat is done. The "rest" face the secondary part of that great sifting to choose a master.
(Rev.14:15,16,17,18)
During that time, these secondary elements will also be branded by their masters....sealed as to whose laws they obey (Rom.6:16) and submit their faith/thinking, and actions/power, to (Rev.13:16,7; Gal.1:10;  1Cor.7:23). The great sifting/separating/tribulation, brings the two harvests to a finish.
The first harvest is of the Called and anointed "wheat"/"earth"(--God's "inhabited homeland" John 14:23) (Rev.14:14-16). That is done by Christ, who brings his "wheat" into his storehouse (Matt.13:38; 3:12). He will base that judgment according to what these "branches" have produced as "fruit"/teachings... whether fine, or rotten. The kind of fruit each produces, will depend upon which root they were grafted into (John 15:5,6; Jer.2:21; Deut.32:32,33; Rev.14:18,19).

The second harvest, is of the actual fruit of each vine (teachings and those who took them in) that was produced by these Chosen branches/prophets. If they have taken in fine fruit sourced in Christ through his faithful branches, then they have taken into their hearts, sayings of life. They will be saved from death and harvested as such. 
If they have fed from Satan's vine and his branches of "fallen stars" (Ps.140:3; Rev.13:11; Deut.32:33; Rev.16:13-16;  1Tim.4:1)(Jer.23:14,15; Rev.8:10,11; 9:1), partaking of that rotten fruit/wormwood... they will suffer the consequences due to those who love lies (2Thess. 2:9-12).   
http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/search?q=fallen+star+wormwood
If you think about these two separate phases (Rev.7:3)
   (breaking out on the unsealed, and then later, on the "rest"), 
you will see why this is just and reasonable.
The tribulation segregates those willing to die for truth (Mark 8:35; 13:13; John 16:2), from those who love the lie, become idolaters (Rev.13:8), and prefer Satanic deception (2Thess.2:9-12).
How can the other elements make a choice for truth, if it is not available?
The faithful anointed must be first to awaken and choose to live (and die) for truth,
proven by the testimony they give in the face of death (Rev.12:11,7; 20:4; 6:9;  2Cor.10:3,4,5; Eph.6:12; Rev.11:3; Dan.12:3-4; Rev.20:12).
(pearl-newscrolls.blogspot.com)
That testimony of Truth must first be present and available, by which the "rest" will thereafter, be sealed as either accepting, or rejecting.
(John 13:20; Matt.10:40,41; 25:40,46)
Do you see that those Chosen must decide their side of this battle first?
They do this by their acceptance or rejection of Satan's end-time deception
...The "operation of error", "the lie"...which asserts that the Gentiles should be ruling over God's anointed Temple and trampling them underfoot,
thereby preventing the "remaining ones" of the woman's seed, from becoming sealed as slaves of God and Christ (Rev.3:2; Dan.8:11-12,13,24; Rev.13:7; Dan.11:31). This counterfeit kingdom of the False Prophet and Gentile Idol...
(and their lies -Rev.16:13; 13:11,14;  2Thess.2:4,9,11;  2Tim.3:13)
...acts as a restraint against the arrival of the genuine Kingdom of God, and restrains the necessary sealing of God's chosen rulers as slaves of God and His truth (Deut.11:18; Heb.10:16). 
Those who choose faithfulness, must not remain slaves to spiritual Gentiles who teach doctrine from the wicked steward (or Idolize their false "Image", as being directed by God's spirit -Rev.13:15-16; Isa.44:20) (http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/05/mark-of-beast.html) (http://pearl-666.blogspot.com/).
(pearl-restraint.blogspot.com) (What is "Jew" and "Gentile"?)
(Rev.16:13,14,15,16,17;  1Tim.4:1;  2Thess.2:9,11,12; Mark 13:14; Rev.9:7,3; 3:9; 13:4,5,7,8,14,18;  2Thess.2:4; Rev.11:2; Matt.5:13;  2Cor.11:3)
(pearl-disgustingthing.blogspot.com)
(search-results=operation+of+error)

Once the Chosen take their own stand, the sealing of the Chosen Kings (and the harvest of the wheat), is done. The faithful remnant  "come to life" at this time (Rev.20:4,5,6,7,8; John 5:24; 6:47,58; 11:26).
Then the Battle ensues between these messengers of death / lies, and the (messengers of life) /(truth). Both sides present their testimony. Due to exposure to both the truth and the lie; the next phase of the tribulation/sifting/sorting/choosing, occurs for the "rest". In this "valley of decision", it will be determined, who receives life or destruction (Rev.20:5; 8:13; 11:14; 12:12; 11:5; 9:12,18,20,21).
(http://armageddon-obadiah.blogspot.com/)
--(Coming to Life)
----(http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2016/11/who-is-destroyer.html)
                 [NOTE: While being "killed" is naturally viewed as a bad punishment to us;
                               this is actually the symbolic means of salvation within Revelation
                               (Mark 8:35; Rev.9:18; 11:7; 6:9,11; 12:11; Zech.13:9,8) 
It happens to those who do not succumb to the overwhelming climate of idolatry (Rev.13:15,8; 20:4; 11:7)]

When Christ's sealed slaves are working faithfully, (shining their lamps of truth fueled by Holy Spirit);
they are appointed over the care of all Christ's "sheep" during the tribulation. 
They are assigned a greater work, with greater supplies (the marriage feast), and with a greater responsibility. Unfortunately, the majority of God's people, reject these final prophets. 
(Rev.11:3,7,8,10; John 16:2; Matt.5:11-12; Mark 13:13)

All are sealed during their own battle of the Great Tribulation, which will test every heart dedicated to God, as to it's love of truth or lies (Luke 21:35; Rev.2:4; Jer.5:31; Eze.13:19,22; Isa.28:15;  2Thess.2:9,10,11,12,13,15; Rev.13:3) (Eze.13:4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12)
...first to the as yet unsealed Chosen Ones,
and then on to the "rest" (symbolized by earth/land/trees/green things/sea, previous to gaining life) (Rev.7:3; 9:4; 20:5) 
http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2016/01/is-leaving-city-enough.html
Try to remember that the spiritual, symbolic timing within Revelation, is not according to the literal timing that we as physical beings are familiar with.

I hope this reply addresses your thoughts.
Thank you for your contribution.
Love in Christ,

Friday, August 7, 2015

When are the full 144,000 completed?

What follows is a post from the Forum.
I thought I would also post it here, for the added benefit of the pop-up scriptures. The forum did not allow me to make edits and additions.
Please read the scriptures as you come to them.
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Dear Daz and Peely,
I think I have been given the answer that may address your questions:
(Daz)-- "May I ask, do you think/believe that all of the chosen are aware that they ARE indeed Chosen or do you think that there are some who are still to be awoken to this. Are there ones STILL being Chosen/Anointed?"
(Peely)-- "I wonder the same things that you asked, Daz. Are there ones still being anointed?"
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Please let me know if my reply here, is sufficient. I was given Rev.6:9-11 and Rev.19:2, and will explain below, how they provide our answer.
I have read and meditated on those verses before, but never saw this aspect of the information they contain. I am amazed at how a deeper consideration of God's words, contain so many riches within such seeming simplicity.

The first verses, are Rev.6:9-11...
"When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters, were killed just as they had been."

[Here we are told that those sealed (given white robe) are those who have been slain (
Rev.12:11; 20:4) (Rom.6:3-5; Phil.3:10), for their faithful testimony of truth

ALL ("everyone" / "anyone") who slay the faithful, believe that they are serving God (John 16:2)... including the Wild Beast (Rev.11:7; 13:15). Therefore, these "killers" (Jer.4:31; Isa.42:14; 1:21), are not secular, but religious, just as was the case with Christ (Matt.15:24; John 15:22-25; John 15:18-20; 8:40) (John 19:4,6,10-12,15). We are cast out as apostate, just as he was (Mark 13:13; Rev.11:7-10; Heb.13:13). We must follow the same path of being tested "in the wilderness" by Satan (Matt.4:1; Rev.12:14; 17:3) (Luke 22:31; John 16:33; 16:2-4, 16:20-22; Matt.24:8-9, 21-25), in order to finish our course, prove faithful (or not), and be sealed in the heavens (1Pet. 2:21; Rev.14:4). These facts establish to us, that if the opportunity to take this full path of Christ is past, so is the opportunity to be chosen, tested, and sealed.]

So the question is, when is that opportunity, over and past?
Please focus on the bold words of Rev.6:10...
"And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”
Here we are pointedly being told, that the slain are asking when their blood will be avenged.


The reply? (Rev.6:11)
11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed."
Here, we are pointedly told, that the blood will be avenged,
when the number to be sealed is completed.
From these two facts, we glean that when we see God avenging the blood of his servants, we know the number is completed.
Do you also deduce this, and see it clearly?

Okay, now the other scripture I was given, is Rev.19:2...
"For true and righteous are His judgments, because He has judged the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication; and He has avenged on her the blood of His servants shed by her.
(
2Kings 9:7; Rev.2:20)

Here we are clearly taught, that when we see that the harlot is judged by God, it is God's vengeance upon her, for shedding the blood of His servants, whose deaths, she ordered (Rev.13:11,15; 18:24).
When we see the Beast and ten kings, turn on the Harlot, it is because God has directed it, to avenge the blood of His servants
(
Rev.17:16-17;  2Thess. 1:6; Rev.18:20,6).

When we see this occur, we know, that all those to be sealed, are already so.
There is no more choosing, testing, or sealing. This also infers, that the ten kings who remained with the Beast, are also sealed as having lost their crown.

They voluntary surrendered it, to the abomination in which they put their faith (Rev.17:13; Rom.1:25), instead of subjecting their authority and power, to God (Rev.4:10-11).

Among us, we already perceive God's judgment of the Harlot. Therefore, among us who have been slain by the beast, we are either already sealed, 

or 
If we have not completed this path of Christ... we still need to. 
Once the Harlot is attacked, it is past the point of being chosen, tested, or sealed, by being killed by the Beast (Rev.11:7; 6:9), for our testimony to God's wayward Nation. 
This does not mean that the opportunity is past, for all Christ's disciples (Chosen and not) to join in that testimony. Jesus told the faithful anointed, to direct all Christ's disciples to perform the same commands of Christ which they themselves obey and perform, including bearing witness to truth (Matt.28:19-20;  2Tim. 4:2;  1Cor. 9:16; Rom.1:16;  1Tim. 4:16; Rev.22:17). 
In this way, the one directly sent by God, is accepted, recognized, and heeded by all such disciples (John 13:20; Matt.10:40-41; Rom.6:17;  2Cor. 2:14;  2Tim. 1:13;  1Tim. 4:15-16).

It is necessary for all who become heirs, to accept the Steward Christ has appointed over his household, whether that Steward proves faithful or not (Gal.4:1-6,7-8; Eze.28:9;  2Thess. 2:4) (Matt.24:45-46, 48-51; Hosea 6:5; Rev.11:5) It is only after accepting the authority of wicked steward/false prophet/Harlot, and it's Beast, that one may be symbolically killed (disfellowshipped) by that steward's Beast (for taking a stand for the truth), 
thereby completing the course of Christ without a physical death being necessary. 
One can not be symbolically killed (disfellowshipped), if one was never baptized into the Beast.
One cannot be symbolically killed (disfellowshipped) for a testimony to the truth of Christ, if already expelled for genuine sin (1Pet. 2:19-22; 3:17).
I suppose that if one had been chosen and did not accept subjection under God's wicked Steward [and become baptized into the beast, and then "killed" (disfellowshipped) by the Beast], it may be possible that a physical death awaits some for carrying out this final witness.
(https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-final-witness.html

If such should occur, the requirement for becoming sealed could be satisfied in a literal way, enabling that one to complete this full course of Christ, before the demise of the Harlot. Once her demise is executed, the door to join the "144000" is shut. God's vengeance has already been released on the Harlot, indicating that the group is completed (Rev.6:10-11; 19:2).

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Wednesday, December 4, 2013

Unseal the Scroll

A QUESTION

Please explain this comment within your blog Introduction...
"We live during a time of revelation. Unheard of things are newly becoming unveiled."

MY REPLY:

By saying, "We live during a time of revelation. Unheard of things are newly becoming unveiled.";
I am referring to the fulfillment of Rev.20:12. (Luke 24:32,44-45; Acts 16:14; Ps.119:18)
https://pearl-newscrolls.blogspot.com
All those alive in the time of the end will be judged according to the "opened" understanding of the scrolls. Those scrolls are the Bible and teaching of Jesus (Jer.23:29; Jer.5:14 NIV ; Rev.11:5; John 12:48). That time of opened scrolls, is also the time Paul referred to at 1Cor.13:10; Daniel refers to it at Dan.12:2,3,9,10; 2:34,44; and Isaiah, at Isa.2:2-3; Ps.119:18;
...only this time, "the mountain of the house of the Lord" will not be Satan's counterfeit "Mountain" (Zech.4:7; Mark 11:23; Rev.8:8). It will be Zion... the genuine Kingdom administration of God.
(YHVHs-genuine-mountain)
--("Two Mountains")
----("Can the 'Watchtower' Crumble?")

That time of Revelation, which starts out gradually, with just one sealed "stone" (deeply consider the foregoing scriptures) along with (Zech.4:7;  1Pet.2:5; Eph.2:19,20,21,22; Zech.4:6,9,7,10,11,12,14; Rev.11:4,3,5; Jer.5:14 NIV ; Jer.23:29;  2Pet.3:5,7,10,12; Rev.20:9,10,14; 5:6; Eze.29:21; Zech.4:9).
[seven stones/pillars, are horns, are kings (Rev.3:12; Prov.9:1; Rev.5:6; 17:12) etc.]
Your answer is within these scriptures, which I deeply hope you will consider carefully. Though their secret is deep, it is so precious and of great value.

When before was the accurate identity of "Babylon the Great" finally known as the "mother" "covenant with death" mentioned at Isa.28:15? (Rev.17:5)
When before were the harlot daughters of that "mother" truly identified?
When before was the prophetic role of "locust-scorpions" fulfilled and exposed?
When before was the "man of lawlessness" accurately "revealed" (2Thess.2:3,4,8) as the Gentile wild beast of Revelation, and at the same time, the individual members of that Beast...being the locust-scorpions of Rev.9:3?
When before was Jesus' illustration of "labor pains" (Mark 13:4,8; Rev.12:2), accurately understood as not being a Satanic fabrication within Satan's world (1John 5:19)? Or, the identity of the "Woman" in Rev.12:2, as a "mother" covenant with life (Gal.4:24,26), and upon earth, this being fulfilled in those who are already sealed (Promise fulfilled for/by them) into that covenant? (Gal.4:19; John 16:20,21,33; Rev.12:6,14)

Even the connections between the above scriptures, has not been recognized until now.
This opens the door to understanding all the prophets of scripture accurately,
as well as how they all apply to the end of all things (1Pet.4:7;  1John 2:17;  2Pet.3:11;  1Cor.10:11,12),
which is now,
and is the beginning of all things to come.
The visions I was shown, were not for nothing.
Our physical eyes see nothing.
To have our eyes opened to the spiritual realm, is to see everything.
Please let me know what you get out of all these previously cited scriptures.

John...the recorder of the scroll of Revelation, was told;
"Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near." (Rev.22:10).
Jesus himself opens the seven seals of this scroll (Rev.5:5) and gives that information to his final prophets (John 15:15; Rev.1:1; 11:3; 19:10; Amos 3:7; Num.12:6; Rev.10:7;  1Cor.12:28,29)

For background information of the assertions stated within this post...
please consider:
pearl-newscrolls.blogspot.com
-pearl-prophecycease.blogspot.com
--pearl-anillustration.blogspot.com
---pearl-thewoman.blogspot.com
----pearl-laborpains.blogspot.com
-----pearl-kingsofearth.blogspot.com

Here are helpful search results:
and

FOLLOW UP Question:

Something that dawned on me after reading your reply, is that when there is a sealed member of the kingdom on earth, then the Kingdom is on earth. I've never thought of it like that. It doesn't mean the Kingdom is FULLY established with all members born into it. But if someone is sealed/born into it, then they are true are representatives of it.
 Of course this ties in with Jesus mentioning "how we treat his brothers" because they represent the Kingdom. You are accepting the Kingdom or not via its members (John 13:20). "The kingdom of God is in your midst"..literally, if the chosen one is faithfully sealed.

REPLY:

That's what Jesus meant when he said "the kingdom of heaven is in your midst" (Luke 17:21,20).
Heaven is not a physical place! It is impossible for people to understand that, unless the Father grants it, and I am so happy to see you perceive it!
The sealed members being on earth, is what Rev.12:13 is trying to tell us. This is why the "mother" of the "child"/"son", is seen BOTH in heaven (Rev.12:1) and on earth (after the "birth" Rev.12:13; John 3:5). The "mother" of the chosen anointed, are the faithfully sealed anointed (The New Covenant). They become the covenant that was promised to them (Gal.4:28,26,24; Rom.9:8; Eph.2:6; John 13:20).
Understanding the Bride of Christ, is very deep.
She represents the Covenant on earth, in each sealed one (her "daughters" -Zeph.3:14; Gal.4:26,24; Mal.2:5); 
just like the harlot daughters  (Ps.137:8) represent their mother covenant (Rev.17:5; Isa.28:15).
The kingdom of God will not be fully established, 
                       [which is the arrival of the "Kingdom of God"
                         ...not the kingdom of Christ and the sealed ones, 
                             which is now.] 
                       The kingdom of God (which Jesus taught us to pray for) 
                       does not come until all enemies of Christ are subdued. 
                       (Ps.110:1,2;  1Cor.15:25; Eph.1:10) by means of Christ and his sealed co-rulers.)
...until the Tent of God is completed, by the installation of the "capstone".
(Zech.4:7,9,11,12,13,14; Rev.11:4,3;  1Pet.2:5; Eph.2:20,21,22)
Do you know that Holy Spirit showed you that?
You are doing great, my friend (Matt.13:11; 19:11; Luke 8:10; John 6:65; 14:21,6).

Wednesday, March 11, 2020

Sources of Persecution against the Holy Ones / Why must the faithful, die?

After a discussion surrounding the nature of current persecution within the WT organization against the Chosen Elect of God; and how that persecution is the means through which the anointed receive their sealI was asked the following questions:

1: “If the anointed need to be disfellowshipped (killed -John 16:2) in order to be sealed, then they would need to have been a part of false religion. What about before watch tower was organized? Who did the anointed have to belong to then?  

PREFACE:
Previous to the Chosen becoming mature/(sealed) into the full-grown stature of Christ (Eph.4:13-14;  1Cor.2:6,16; 13:11; 14:20; Phil.3:10), they are under the care of ("belong to") a steward/household manager (1Cor.4:1,15-16; Gal.4:1-2,19; Col.1:25; Luke 12:42). 
With spiritual growth (Heb.5:14; Col.1:28; Heb.12:23;  2Pet.1:4), comes the need for each individual to take a stand and die for the Truth 
(Mark 4:28-29; John 12:24;  1Cor.15:36; Mark 13:13; 8:35; Matt.25:6; Heb.13:13; Rom.6:5; Rev.6:9-11). 
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2016/10/coming-to-life.html
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2016/01/symbolic-death-by-means-of-world.html
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2016/05/he-who-seeks-to-save-his-life-will-lose.html
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014/04/wheat-and-weed-seeds-grow-up-and-mature.html

That death is often sourced, with a wicked steward (Luke 12:45-46; 16:1-2).
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/07/the-stewards-sacred-trust.html
https://pearl-wastefulsteward.blogspot.com/
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/09/trample-how-does-it-happen.html
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2018/01/by-this-love-among-yourselves-all-will.html
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2012/10/why-does-master-delay-luke1235-stay.html

We today, can come to recognize how that "death" is presently occurring. (see 8 links above)
The question now being asked, essentially is;
'How could the anointed who existed previous to the "Watchtower", become sealed by a death for truth?'

NOTE: There is a pattern for those who finish the course of Christ (Phil.3:10-12,16-17;  1Pet.2:21; Matt.16:24-25; Rom.6:5-6,7-8) and become sealed. 
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/search?q=becoming+sealed

The same destination of being sealed, has a path that varies between those who are sealed during the "Thousand Year" kingdom of Christ, and those sealed during the Great Tribulation (which occurs after the "Thousand Years"). 
This directly pertains to the question at hand, because the "thousand years" are before the emergence of the "Watchtower", and the Great Tribulation occurs when the "Watchtower" exists.
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014/01/the-day-and-night-of-thousand-years-two.html
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/11/the-thousand-years-image-of-beast.html
(for more information about when the "thousand years" take place, please use the search box)

Those sealed during the "thousand years" and before Satan's release from the abyss (Rev.20:7) (and his subsequent installation of the False Prophet and it's Beast) (Rev.16:13-16; 20:7-8; 13:1,4,11,14-15; 19:20)...
...were never conquered by those agents of Satan (Rev.20:4). 
Those who had been taken captive and conquered (Col.2:8; Rev.13:10,7) after Satan's release (and during the Great Tribulation), must repent, be washed clean, and ride forth with Christ in the battle against those agents of demonic deception (Rev.15:2; 2:26-27; 17:14;  2Cor.10:3-5; Eph.6:12).

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My reply:
Your two questions are at the apex of much information, which could have subsets of questions, beneath them. To be thorough, I will break those questions down, in my attempt to make a fuller reply, clear and comprehensible.
In order to accept some of the assertions to follow; background information will need to be researched and studied before it is accepted. 
In order to stick to the questions at hand, I will not include all that information here and now, but will insert links for those who deem the assertions, unproven by scripture. Please use the linked references, as needed.

1a: "Before the watchtower organisation"
Those with a knowledge of "Watchtower" history, are familiar with the idea that this organization started in the late 1800s. Although the organization itself, claims it's origin with God's first martyr Abel... due to it's claim of being God's collective of righteous witnesses (Matt.23:35; Heb.11:4; 12:24). 
...that claim is error. The general population of JWs, are not members of the "Chosen" Elect (Isa.43:10,21;  1Pet.2:9), nor were they all martyred on the altar of God's spiritual Temple, as were the group of martyrs to which Abel belonged (Rev.6:9-11; Heb.12:24).

https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014/04/who-are-yhwhs-witnesses.html
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2016/01/who-become-gods-people.html

Regarding the origin of the "Watchtower", here are the facts:
The organization was formed in 1881 as Zion's Watch Tower Tract Society for the purpose of distributing religious tracts. The society was incorporated in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania on December 15, 1884. In 1896, the society was renamed Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society.
Founders: Charles Taze Russell
Place founded: Pittsburgh
And so, when you ask about the period "before the watchtower was organized", that would mean the period in which anointed existed, previous to the formation of the "Watchtower" organization.
That period would run between Pentecost 33CE (John 7:38-39; Acts 1:4-5,9; 2:1-2,3-4,32-33), to roughly around 1881.

With that period now clarified, we can move forward.

Next we need to grasp, that according to your question, there are two distinct periods during which, the anointed Chosen Elect members of God's Temple priesthood, exist. Both of those periods are previous to the arrival of God's eternal Kingdom.
Obviously, those two periods are 
1. 33 CE thru 1881,
and 
2. 1881 thru to the End (Rev.2:26;  1Cor.15:24-25;  2Thess.2:8;  1Cor.15:26; Rev.20:14-15;  1Pet.4:7;  2Pet.3:7,10-11,12-13)

Those two periods, coincide with two Bible periods...
1. The "Thousand Year" kingdom of Jesus Christ 
        [starts: 33CE - Ends: Birth of "Watchtower" kingdom over anointed]
2. Lifespan of "Watchtower" kingdom 
        [captivates and conquers the anointed, Gentiles trample God's Temple priesthood into powerlessness (the Great Tribulation) and 
         Armageddon. Ends: God's Kingdom)

https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014/04/two-kingdoms.html
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014_01_01_archive.html
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/11/the-thousand-years-image-of-beast.html
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014/10/the-remaining-ones.html
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2016/05/he-who-seeks-to-save-his-life-will-lose.html
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https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/05/why-jesus-came-to-earth-last-world.html
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2016/02/two-witnesses-lampstands.html
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2012/12/here-is-earlier-post-with-updates.html
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2012/02/thought-from-friend-read-rev-184-again_9845.html

To summarize all major spiritual eras, in chronological order...
1. Creation TO Christ and the spiritual begetting of sons of God, including...
2. The "Thousand Year" reign of Christ.
3. Release of Satan from Abyss / end of "thousand years" / Satan's short period of time / 
    Great Tribulation + Armageddon / TO The End
4. Victory of Armageddon / Eternal Kingdom of God commences, 
    given to Jesus Christ and his Holy Ones

Your question pertains to eras 2 & 3.
How so?
---The period of anointed ones, before the "Watchtower", runs from Pentecost TO the end of the "Thousand Year" kingdom of Jesus and the release of Satan from the abyss (Rev.20:7).

https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014/11/satans-release-how.html
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014/08/what-happened-in-1914.html
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014/08/who-has-key-to-abyss.html
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/06/i-have-found-typing-mistakes-below-and.html

---The period after which the "Watchtower" emerges, runs from Satan's release/Great Tribulation/Armageddon, TO the End of Satanic rule (and the start of God's Kingdom).

With this chronology establish, we can proceed with your question:
What about before watch tower was organized? Who did the anointed have to belong to then?

The anointed always belong to the Body of Christ, which includes the steward appointed to feed that household (Rom.12:5; Eph.2:19; Matt.24:45). That steward can prove to be either faithful, or wicked (Matt.10:36; 24:48-49,50-51). Both the wicked and the righteous generations, exist throughout time (Gen.3:15; Matt.13:30; Rev.12:17,7)(Ps.112:2; Phil.2:15)... from Cain -vs- Abel, down to the "Two witnesses"/last chaste Virgins -vs- the last adulterous Harlot/"two-horned" false prophet (Rev.13:11; Isa.28:15)(Rev.14:4-5). It is an enmity without rest, until the final battle is won.
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/01/spiritual-virginity-what-is-it.html

The wicked appear rich, powerful, and glorious. 
The faithful, appear despised, weak, and foolish 
 (1Cor.4:8-10,11-13; Rev.3:17-18;  2Cor.11:3-5,12-15,23-25,26-27,28,29-30; 12:9-10; 13:4)
Why those contrasting appearances?
Who is it, that rules over the desire of the eyes? Who is it that bestows worldly glory, dominion, power, and riches?
The unfaithful have a respectable appearance, because they have failed the test of Satan (Luke 4:5-7). In contrast, the faithful, are given the glory of Christ (John 17:22).
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014/12/glory.html

The wicked are the ones with worldly power, authority, and glory. Like the Jewish religious leaders; they are the ones responsible for the slaughter of the faithful (Matt.23:37,32,34-35; Rev.18:24; 6:10; 19:2). This has been going on, since Cain and Abel (1John 3:12; 2:9-11; 4:20-21).

As we learned above about the maturation of the sons of the kingdom... it takes time in the individual life of each chosen one, to reach the full grown stature of Christ, which entails a death for truth. While still a babe, such ones are under the stewardship of the wicked and powerful... similar to how Jesus was (Gal.4:4; Luke 2:46,50-52; John 1:11). 
As such ones grow to recognize the umbrella of corruption they are under; their truth-loving heart chaffs under the unjust oppression and deceptive doctrine (Eph.5:11; Rev.2:2-3;  2Cor.11:12-13; Ps.26:4; Eph.4:25). They no longer wish to condone the climate of rebelliousness toward God (Eze.2:6; Rev.9:3). They long to establish their loyalty and love for their heavenly Father and the truths of Jesus Christ 
(2Cor.10:3-5; Rev.19:11,14,8; 12:10-11; 17:14).
The result? 
They faithfully follow the path of Jesus, all the way to it's inevitable end... a death for truth. They become sealed as slaves to God alone.

There is no shortage of that wicked generation (Matt.23:33,36; Phil.2:15; John 8:44). But Jesus assures us, that if we seek them out, we will also be able to identify the righteous generation (Ps.14:5; 112:2; Matt.24:34; 7:20)... and those appointed by Jesus (Luke 12:42; Rev.11:3), who are faithful in providing the proper food at the proper time. 
https://pearl-finetrees.blogspot.com
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/10/who-really-is.html

We can recognize them, by their lasting fruit, and their fulfilling the sign of the Son of Man (Matt.12:40; 24:28; Rev.11:7-8).
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-sign-of-son-of-man.html

So again I post your question;
"What about before watch tower was organized? Who did the anointed have to belong to then?

Before the "Watchtower" organization was formed; those anointed striving to be faithful, would need to divorce themselves from the powerful religious corruption surrounding them. We have within historical accounts, many who lived that pattern of both corruption and faithfulness.


The point that I hope was gleaned, is that in order to reign with Jesus, they Chosen must also prove faithful to the death, while being sifted by Satan their enemy. That is why they need to die in order to be sealed (Rev.6:9-11; Mark 8:35; Rev.12:10-11). 

This proves that despite Satanic temptation and persecution, their love of Christ and his truths, are more important to them than their own lives... just as was the case with Jesus. By manifesting that love in their righteous actions and choices (despite threat of death), they are sealed as slaves of God and qualified to inherit the Kingdom.

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