Monday, February 4, 2013

"The Sign of the Son of Man"

All the signs which Jesus gave his disciples, should elicit our engaged attention. When nearing the end of his list of indicative signs of the end, he points to a sign of culmination, at Matt.24:30....

"Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory."

We should greatly desire to understand the meaning of this sign. By means of scripture, I hope to explore some of that meaning.

                PART I

The sign of the son of man- What is it?
We begin to learn what this sign is, at Matt.12:38,39,40...
"Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from You.”
But He answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

Here Jesus tells those seeking a physical display, that they will not receive but one.
Just as Jonah was in the belly of the fish (Jonah1:17); the Messiah will fulfill that prophetic account, by being captive in the Abyss of death/"heart of the earth" for the same literal time period (Jonah2:1,2; Luke9:22,44; 17:25; Rom.10:7; 1Pet.3:18,19,20; 2Pet.2:4,9,12,17).

But if we take another look at Matt.24:30; we see that Jesus is pointing ahead to the "conclusion of a system of things" (Matt.24:3) when the "tribes of the earth will mourn"...and "the Son of Man" will "come" "on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory". We must accept that the "sign of the Son of Man" has a fulfillment further than when Jesus died and was buried for three days.

Many recognize that Matthew, chapter 24 is a prophecy....
not only about the end of the Jewish system of worship in Jerusalem (and the conclusion of the covenant it represented),
but also a prophecy about the end of the New Covenant and the system of worship it evoked.
"End of the New Covenant"
This end is spoken of as a passing away of the "heavens" and "earth" (2Pet.3:10,11,12,13; Rom.13:12; 1Pet.4:7) to be replaced with a "new heavens and new earth".
An event of such significance is not overlooked by Christ. He describes the "signs" leading up to it, in Matthew, chapter 24 (among other places).

So reasonably, we accept that Matt.24:30 points ahead to a fulfillment ....not just about the death of Christ's flesh...but to the "sign of his presence, and of the conclusion of a system of things" (Matt.24:3) to include the dissolution of the "heavens" and "earth" (and the arrival of the "righteous" heavens and earth).
But then we must ask,
if this applies to a sign of Jonah/Jesus Christ taking place at a future "conclusion"...
How can that possibly be fulfilled, since Jesus Christ is not here physically to be killed...and laid in the "heart of the earth" again for 3 days?

Where do we look to see this "sign of the Son of Man" in the time of the end?

We know that the first one to experience this "sign", was Jonah.
We know that the second one to experience this "sign" was Christ.
Who will experience it in the time of the end, and therefore fulfill it's final prophecy?
How will we see the "sign of the Son of Man" at the "conclusion" of our "system of things"?

First, lets look at Matt.12:39.
Jesus speaks of a "wicked and adulterous generation". These would also be present at the "end of all things" (Mark 8:38) (1Pet.4:7; 1Cor.15:24).
He also spoke of another generation which is righteous (Matt.24:34,35; Psalm14:5; 112:2; Gal.4:26)
Both these generations of seed, exist and battle, until the end (Gen.3:15; Rev.12:17,7; John8:44; Rev.12:11; 1Pet.1:23; Gal.3:29 etc.)
Are those wicked and "adulterous" to their covenant with God (1Cor.6:15,16; Rev.18:3; 17:1,2; Isa.1:21,27,28), limited to the first Century Jews?
No. The Bible's prophecies about the "end" are full of indications that Satan's seed is alive and well, busy persecuting the faithful up until the end (Rev.20:7-9).

Those adulterous to God's covenant in the time of the end, also keep seeking for physical signs to guide their worship. Because of their fleshly orientation, they will be mislead by the signs provided to them (2Thess.2:9,10; Rev.13:13,14) (
These too, will only receive one authentic tangible sign from God....the "sign of the Son of Man" (Matt.24:30).
Those first Century Jews did see that sign. They saw Christ die (Matt.27:39,40,41,42,43). They knew that he was raised up (Matt.27:50,62,63,64,65,66; 28:1,2,3,4,11,12,13,14,15). They saw the events that took place surrounding his death (Matt.27:51,52,53,54) These were events which occurred surrounding the death of Christ....and the "Sign of the son of Man".

So again we must ask...
How will this be fulfilled at the "end of all things" (1Pet.4:7)?
How will the "sign of the Son of Man" being in "the heart of the earth"/abyss (which was just like Jonah in the belly of the fish); be fulfilled during the conclusion of all things?
How will this sign be given to and clearly seen, to the wicked and adulterous generation in the time of the end?

The most obvious place to turn to learn about end-time events, is the book of Revelation.
If we go there, we do not find Jesus being killed, nor any indication that he is placed in the "heart of the "earth"/abyss again (Rom.10:7; Jonah2:6). But we do find the abyss (Rev.9:1,2,11; 11:7; 17:8; 20:1,3). And we also find other faithful witnesses (Rev.1:5; John8:40) being mistreated and "killed"/"slain", as Jesus was (Luke9:22,44) (Rev.2:10 (James1:12); Rev.6:9,11; 12:4,11; 13:15; 14:13; 16:6; 17:6; 18:24 (Jer.51:49; Matt.23:35); Rev20:4)

I am citing Rev.11:7,8,9,10,11,12,13 (Matt.27:54) separately because I believe this prophetic account to be the closest tie to the prophecy at Matt.24:30. (More on this later)

Lets look at that verse again to see where we will see the final "sign of the Son of Man"...
"Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven  with power and great glory."

We are being told that the final fulfillment of the culminating sign of the end, will occur and be seen "in heaven", and "on the clouds of heaven".

First, let's see if those being killed as Christ were, can scripturally stand in for the Son of Man, and therefore by their own deaths, fulfill the "sign of the Son of Man".
Second let's see if these saints can also fulfill the "sign" as taking place "in heaven", and "on the clouds of heaven".

Pointing ahead to how the final judgment is rendered, Jesus said;
"I tell you the truth, whatever you did to the least of these brothers of mine, you did it to me." (Matt.25:40,45,46)  (Acts9:5; Luke10:16; 2Cor.5:20; 1Cor.3:17,16)

When the wicked kill the "two witnesses" who are proclaiming a message from Christ (Rev.11:3,4; 11:7), is that like killing Christ? (1Cor.12:27,12; 6:15 A; Eph.1:22,23; 5:30; Acts22:7) According to the expressed feelings of Jesus...yes.

What is "heaven", and the "clouds of heaven"?
Please read Rev.1:7; Jude1:14; 2Thess.1:7,10; Eph.2:6; Rev.12:5; Eph.1:3,20; Heb.12:1,22,23,25; Rev.11:12.
At Heb.12:25 (Matt.10:20), we are told that a warning comes from this "heaven" (Eze.33:6,8; Rev.11:3,4; 9:17,20; Zech.4:14,9,6) regarding a threat to salvation (Rev.13:8; 2Thess.2:10,9,8).
That warning "from heaven", in tangible reality, comes from those "of heaven" (Eph.2:6; Heb.12:22-23; John17:24; 1:14; 12:26; 17:22; 2Cor.3:18; Rom.8:9; Luke10:20; Phil.3:20)
(1Tim.4:16; Acts18:6; 20:26; 2Kings17:13; Rev.14:6-7; 11:3,7).

The "sign of the Son of Man", can be fulfilled by others in addition to Christ himself (Jonah1:17; Matt.12:40; 24:30; Rev.11:7), and is. (Phil.3:10; Rom.6:3,5)
Is this sign actually seen by the "wicked and adulterous generation" in the time of the end,
as it was seen by them in the first century? (Matt.12:39)
But just as that wicked generation of God's house in the first Century refused to acknowledge that sign and it's meaning with Christ;
neither will they initially recognize it's fulfillment in the time of the end (Rev.3:3; Matt.24:43; 1Thess.5:2; Rev.16:15; Luke12:56; Matt.16:3,4).
The wicked Steward has made himself "Master" of the "house". Because of his intoxication with power, he has not kept awake and watchful for the thief (Luke12:39). Satan has broken into the "house", and has robbed the crowns of all the anointed slaves still inside that organizational "house"(Luke12:42,45,46; John10:10 A; Rev.3:11). When the true Master returns; he too will become like a thief (Rev.3:3)....taking whatever is left from the lazy and disobedient slaves (Matt.13:12; Luke8:18; 19:26; Matt.25:30).

Just as Christ bore witness to the truth, and as a consequence, suffered, died, and was buried (fulfilling the "sign of the Son of Man"); so also will all those who become sealed in the "heavens" (1Pet.2:21; Luke22:28,29).

Those seeking physical signs in this world, do not recognize this true sign of the faithful Sons of God. Their "glory" is simply the same as Christ's was while in this world...the glory of "grace and truth" (John17:22; 1:14; 1Cor.4:10,11,12,13,14; 1Cor.1:18,23; 2Cor.6:4,5,6,7,8,9,10; Rev.11:10; Rom.8:19). (Not power, riches, nor dominion)
The unfaithful desire glorious signs that bless them in this world. Satan will provide them, and by means of them; the physical, wicked, and adulterous Chosen Ones, will be mislead.
(James4:4; 1John2:15; 1Cor.2:14,13,12) (
If a prophets teaches "world realities", rather than "spiritual realities" (1Cor.2:13), that one is clearly a physical man. He has left union with the spirit of Christ (John15:4,5; Rom.11:17), and is on "the wrong side of the fence".
The day is rapidly approaching however, when these will not escape the truth of what they have done to their faithful brothers (Rev.17:6; 18:3; 17:2; Jer.51:7), whom, in their eyes, are preaching "foolishness" (1Cor.2:14). When that day comes...then they will mourn (Matt.24:30; Zech.12:10; Rev.1:7; Luke13:28; Matt.8:12; 13:42).

But you may have noticed two glaring differences in the last "sign of the Son of Man",
from when Christ fulfilled it.
First....during the second 3 1/3 "times", the two witnesses are refused burial "in the heart of the earth"/abyss, but rather, are publicly displayed as a reproach "on the Broadway of the Great City" (Rev.11:8).
Second.....the two witnesses are "dead" 3 and a half  days...not three (Rev.11:9,11).
The three days of Jonah and Jesus were literal.
The three and a half days of the two witnesses are symbolic.
The book of Revelation being symbolic, what do these time differences mean?

                     PART II

As stated in Part I, both Jesus and Jonah were held captive (Jonah was held in the sea, by the "great sea creature" -Jonah 1:17) (Jesus was held in the abyss -Rom.10:7) for three literal days.
     (Note: the great sea "creature" which held Jonah captive is derived from
               the Hebrew word  which follows:

               Strong's Number:   01711              
           Dagah TWOT - 401
                (Qal) to multiply, increase; a primitive root
                         Due to the root meaning of this "fish", we see that liberties were taken
                         when translating this creature as a fish. Such an assumption is
                         understandable, when the context says that Jonah was "swallowed" and
                         that this creature was "in the sea". But the original word (which is only found
                         in this one place in the Bible) essentially means a root/origin,
                         which is growing/spreading. Prov.29:16)
                         (I submit to you that this "great sea creature", was "Leviathan"...
                          "king" of the "abyss"/"sea"/"deep"...the hunter of God's sons.)
                         LINK: (Who is "Leviathan"?) (Rev.2:10; 13:10; 9:14; Ps.124:7;
                                   Prov.6:5,4; 1Thess.5:6; Luke21:36,34; Mark13:37)

We have already noted that the "sign of the Son of Man", will be made manifested in the "end".
We have already noted that the final prophets can stand in for Christ, and fulfill the final manifestation of this sign. We have noted that the sign represents a dead condition previous to a release.
(This happens in two ways for the two witnesses. Each of those ways, is represented by a period of "3 1/2 times".    3 1/2 + 3 1/2 = "7 times"= completion of what is required of them.)

Both Jonah and Jesus were held in what is referred to as the "sea"/"abyss"
The "two witnesses" also, (Rev.11:3) were held for a time under the power this abyss/sea/sheol by it's representatives (Rev.13:7,10; 9:1,3,10). This abyss/sea/deep/pit, is the realm of the "dead". Those "dead" can be physically dead, or spiritually dead;  Just as "living" can be physical or spiritual. (what-is-sheol-hell-hades) (where-is-hades) (The-night)

Why then are the two witnesses spoken of as being dead to the Nations/Gentiles/earth (Rev.11:7,8,9,10) for 3 1/2 days? (Instead of 3 days, like Jesus and Jonah)

First, we note that 3 1/2 "times" is the same period that the two witnesses are prophesying.
(3 1/2 "times" are 1,260 days and also are 42 months, according to 7 times = 2,520 days. A Jewish month is 30 days, and a Jewish year/time is 360 days.)

We are told (Rev.11:10) that these two witnesses "torment" those who inhabit the earth.
To understand this fully, we should look at the original word used for "torment":

Strong's Number:   928
Original Word Word Origin
basanivzw from (931)
Transliterated Word TDNT Entry
to test (metals) by the touchstone, which is a black siliceous stone used to test the purity of gold or silver by the colour of the streak produced while rubbing it upon either metal
of question.
to torture by revealing defect or deficiency
to vex with grievous pains (of body or mind), to torment
to be harassed, distressed
as those who at sea are struggling with a head wind

What a perfect Greek word to describe the test brought upon God's wayward people, as they are being "tested" by the Truth coming from the "two witnesses" (Rev.7:1,2,3). These two witnesses are held in the lowest regard by "Jehovah's Witnesses", who estimate these so-called "apostates" as spiritually dead. These witnesses of Truth vex and test the very doctrines that "Witnesses" esteem (Prov.6:3; Luke12:35). The two witnesses call into question those doctrines...subjecting them to "heat"...tests of purity, as a wind of Holy Spirit tests those struggling to stay afloat at "sea" (Isa.2:12,13,14,15,16,17,18; Rev.8:9; Zech.13:9). The faithful witness of these two, is the "touchstone" by which the rest will be judged. This is why this test cannot come upon the earth, until after these are sealed as a faithful touchstone/capstone. (Rev.7:3)

The "sea" and the "abyss" are equated as the same realm (Rev.13:1; 11:7; 17:8; Isa.51:9,10; 63:12,13; Eze.26:19; Psalm42:7; 71:20). This comparison will be seen more clearly as we learn more about Leviathan.
Jonah was in the sea/abyss BEFORE he gave his witness (Jonah2:5).
Jesus was also in the realm of the dead/abyss (1Cor.15:3; Eph.1:20; Rom.10:7; Psalm16:10)...
but it was AFTER he finished his 3 1/2 year "witness" (Rev.1:5).

This place (abyss/death/sea/deep/sheol) is also said to be, "the heart of the earth" (Matt.12:40; James3:15; John8:23).

What about the two witnesses? Are they like Jonah, in that they are in the abyss 3 days before their witness? Or, are they like Jesus, who entered the abyss for 3 days after his witness?
In a sense, Both. But in another sense, more than both.
This is the reason why their "death" is assigned a different symbolic number.

The death state of the two witnesses, is assigned the number of giving a witness (3 1/2), because these two give their witness,
DURING the time that they are considered dead.
Please let me explain.

The ministry of Christ can be symbolized by 3 1/2 "times"
"When He began His ministry, Jesus Himself was about thirty years of age . . . " (Luke3:23).
In what season of the year did He begin His ministry? In order to know that, we have to know the time or the season of the year when He was born. We do not know the exact time of His birth but there are clues in the first chapter of Luke that can tell us the season. Luke 1:5 states:

"In the days of Herod, king of Judea, there was a priest named Zacharias, of the division of Abijah, and he had a wife from the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth."
1Chron. 24:1-19 tells us that King David divided Levitcal duties by lot into 24 courses, or shifts, that required each course to work one full week twice a year from Sabbath noon to Sabbath noon beginning with the first week of the Hebrew calendar (Talmud, Sukkah) which always began in the fall on the Feast of Trumpets. The Talmud further states that all the courses worked during the three holy day seasons: Passover, Pentecost and Tabernacles. The course of Abijah worked the ninth and tenth weeks of the year which was during Pentecost (early summer). 

Luke 1:24 tells us that Elizabeth became pregnant around the time of the end of Zacharias' service. Verses 26-38 foretell of the birth of Jesus to Mary. Verse 26 says that the angel Gabriel appeared to Mary in the sixth month (of Elizabeth's pregnancy, Nov. -- Dec.) to announce the birth of Jesus. Mary became pregnant by the holy spirit about this time. Nine months later would place the birth of Jesus in the autumn of the year, or in the months of September/October.
Passover always falls in the Spring of the year (in the month of Nisan in the Hebrew calendar). Jesus' first Passover observance is recorded in John 2:13, which is about 6 months after his ministry began in the fall of the previous year. Jesus kept three OTHER Passovers (for a total of four Passovers): His second Passover observance is recorded in John 5:1, His Third is recorded in John 6:4 and the fourth (and last) one with His disciples is recorded in John 11:55.

We therefore have about 6 months from about age 30 (and beginning of his ministry) to His first Passover, then three full years from Passover to Passover, making for a ministry of three and one-half years. It is true that our Savior's ministry on the earth lasted this short 3 1/2 year period. 
If we were to calculate how many months, or how many days the ministry of Jesus lasted, it would be 3 1/2 multiplied by 12 months, which equals 42 months. If we multiply 3 1/2 by 360 days (a Jewish year), it is 1,260 days.

Now let's look at how long the two witnesses prophesy. (Rev.11:3; 12:6,14)
Rev.11:2 tells us that the two witnesses (the "Holy Place"/"Temple" 1Cor.3:16) is "trampled" for 42 months. This is also the 3 1/2 times (12X3.5=42). They are "trampled" the whole time that they are witnessing.
Of course, the "seven times" must be explained in detail in it's own article. I see now that this is an essential support to understanding how the two witnesses fulfill the sign of the son of man. There is so much to write. The Truth is so wide, and it is almost entirely unpublished at this time.
Hopefully readers will at least be able to take away from this, that the two witnesses are as dead, while they give their witness. This means that they are regarded as dead, during the entire course of their witnessing (which is in two periods- 3.5+3.5=7). They publish their prophecies during the time that they are despised and cut off (or, dead).
How do we know this?

Remember that no one can teach/"sell" anything, unless it is both marked and sanctioned by the Beast? (Rev.13:16,17,18; Isa.44:20; Psalm144:8) (
Defying this, the two witnesses are killed by the Beast (Rev.13:15), half way into the "7 times".
These are not killed after openly prophesying for 3 1/2 times. The Beast would never tolerate that long period of rebellion!
No...they are killed as soon as they start their second period of witnessing, when defying the law of the Beast, with the beginning of their "apostate" ministry (the second 3 1/2 time period).
The first 3 1/2 times, their witness is to those inside the Org./"city", up until the time they are killed by the Beast for their refusal keep it's mark.
The second 3 1/2 times, is the witness they give while considered dead by that Org./"city",
after their expulsion from it.

Unlike Jonah and Jesus, the symbolic death-state of the two witnesses, is during their entire ministry. This is why their period of being considered dead, is 3 1/2 (not 3, as it was with Jonah and Jesus). During the entire "3 1/2 times" in which they preach openly, they are a public reproach and are considered "dead".
Yet we know that this 3 1/2 is only a half of the "7 times". What is going on with the two witnesses during the previous 3 1/2 times? This is the period previous to their being killed by the Beast (Rev.11:7) but during the time that the Beast is granted to "conquer"/"overcome" them (Rev.13:7; 9:5,10; Dan.4:26), previous to their repentance to this subjection (Rev.11:3).
During the first 3 1/2 times, they are also giving a witness. But this other witness is before being killed by the Beast, because that witness is "inside the camp" while they are still in the abyss, unsealed, and marked by the Beast.
While "dead" during the second 3 1/2 times....they are not in the abyss...but are on the broadway of the Great City...a public spectacle (Rev.11:8,9; 1Cor.4:9; Rom.6:3,4; 8:36) "outside the Camp" (Heb.13:13; 12:2). To men they are disapproved and dead; but to God, they are finally made alive.

To clarify...the two witnessses give two periods of witnessing (3.5+3.5=7). One is while they belong to "all the earth", are marked and dominated by the Beast, are being stung as unsealed, and are "conquered", "overcome" and in bondage (Rev.13:14,8,7,10; 9:4,10; Dan.4:26) as Jesus and Jonah were imprisoned inside the abyss of death (and under it's covenant -Isa.28:13; Eze.14:7,10,11,12,13,14,21,22,23; Rev.6:1-8) Heb.2:14. All....Jesus, Jonah, and the "two witnesses", learn obedience from the things which they suffer in association with this "sign" [Heb.5:8; Jonah2:7,8,9,10; Rev.11:3 ("in sackcloth") Mal.3:1,2,3,4]. But unlike Jesus, both Jonah and the two witnesses initially shrank back from their divine assignment, and need discipline to overcome their fear of men. After this discipline, (received while captive within the abyss of death), all had their faith restored, became obedient, and conveyed Jehovah's words. (Isa.38:18; Psalm88:11; 69:2,14; 30:9; 30:1,2,3,4,5; 25:11; 142:7; 40:2,3; Isa.12:1; 54:7,8; Hosea6:2)

During the first 3 1/2 period, they are fulfilling prophecies of refinement, and half of the two-part "sign of the son of man" by being prisoners of the abyss (Job.14:13,14,15; Zech.9:11,12; Isa.51:14; 24:22; 42:22; 40:2; 61:7; Lam.3:53; Jer.37:16; Rev.9:5,6,10,13,14).

The second 3 1/2 period of bearing witness, they are sealed, "killed", and giving the second witness of prophecy (Rev.6:9,10,11). During this period, they are in the wilderness "outside the camp", busy preparing the way of the Lord, while considered "dead" by the "earth". (

For the "two witnesses", both periods are a part of their necessary course of refinement and sealing, and both periods are part of their ministry (each symbolized by 3 1/2) (3.5 + 3.5=7 times). During all these 7 times, the spiritual "Gentiles" are ruling under the umbrella of Satan's world dominion. Through their completion of both 3.5 time periods, the "two witnesses" provide a "touchstone", that will judge all the world, including the "earth" (Heb.11:7; Eze.33:5; 1Pet.3:20; 2Pet.3:10; 1Cor.6:2; Dan.7:22; Rev.20:4).

It is a very hard job explaining these deep things (Heb.5:11; 2Pet.3:16). I hope I am being clear enough. With the truth, everything is connected. It is hard to know where to start, and what to teach first, since it all fits together and is one. Every part of the truth depends upon and is defined with the other parts.
I will likely add clarifications to this Part II as I am able, so that it will hopefully become more "digestible".
If any questions arise, please feel free to ask in the "Comment" section below.


Jesus himself told us what this sign would be (Matt.12:38,39,40).

But how would this sign take place at "the end of ALL things"? (1Pet.4:7; Rom.13:12; James5:8; 1Pet.1:13)

Jesus said that this sign of the "Son of Man" would occur when he was "revealed from heaven". How could Jesus once again be "like Jonah" in the time of the end? (Matt.25:40)

Well we know that Jonah was "in the belly of the fish" because he at first, shrunk back from declaring God's message of destruction to the wicked.

He was put into the "deep" for discipline. He repented, and then obeyed his assignment after his "release". How will this sign be fulfilled at the "end", just as Jesus has prophesied? (Rev.9:1,3,10,14; 13:6,7,10,8,15; 11:7,8,9,10,11,12)

Thanks for your patience,



  1. This may be a possibility. A great tribulation will come upon the people of the earth, a great tribulation, such as has never been. Then the sign of the Son of man in heaven: all people on earth will see this sign. The last trumpet will blow, and all that is anointed in the tombs will stand up, and all anointed living will soon afterwards be transformed along with them, turned into spirits. The angels will take them and bring them to Jesus, they will meet Jesus in the air. Afterwards they will with Jesus shatter this world.

    1. Your interpretation is still physical. I have left you a reply, at:

    2. Here is a post on what the Greatest Tribulation is:

      Do you know who blows the last trumpet? (Rev.10:7; 8:6; Josh.6:8; Rev.22:6).
      When do the faithful slaves of Christ, become spirit?
      (Rom.8:9; John11:26). When do they become a part of the heavens?
      (Eph.2:6; Col.3:1; John17:24; 1:14; 2Cor.3:18; John17:22; Phil.3:20; Heb.12:22-23)
      When do the faithful "shatter this world" with Jesus?
      (Rev.2:26-27; 12:5; 17:14; 19:15; Heb.4:12; 2Cor.10:3-5; Gen.3:15; Dan.9:26; Ps.110:2; 1Cor.15:24-25)
      How do they do it?
      (Jer.5:14; Rev.11:3,5; Hosea 6:5; Jer.23:29)
      These events cannot be recognized by those asleep, or drunk.
      (Luke 17:20; Rev.3:3; Luke 21:36; 1Thess.5:1-4,6,9)
      The world is already dead (Rom.5:12). Those saved are the ones who will live (Rev.20:12; John 12:48; 5:21; Rev.21:27; Luke 10:20).
      If your perceptions are physical, as they were for the wicked generation, the kingdom will overtake you. (Matt.12:39; 1Cor.2:12-15)

  2. but who are the two witnesses ? how do we discern them and balance it with the truth and the last days of this system etc /

    1. These are essential questions. Here are a few short articles to help you with them...

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