A QUESTION:
Am I right in understanding that the "last Elijah" is the same as the two witnesses, or is it one particular anointed one?
REPLY:
Elijah, is a symbol...a description. "Elijah" is a role, with a particular sort of spirit and power that such a designated prophet possesses (Luke 1:17). That role prepares for the arrival of God's salvation, by calling God's people into cleansing repentance (Luke 1:16) (elijah-turns-hearts).
"Elijah" prophets arrive when God's people have descended into apathetic wickedness and unfaithful idolatry. The original Elijah opposed the worship of idols; he was persecuted for rebuking Ahab and Jezebel (king and queen of Israel)
(1Kings 18:4; Rev.17:6; Rev.2:20).
Elijah's name means, "My God is YHWH". His exclusive devotion to the true God, contrasted the leaders of Israel and the bad influence those leaders were having on all of God's people. The leaders (king Ahab and Jezebel) incited God's nation into idolatry. The book of Revelation makes a comparison between those leaders of God's nation, and the fulfillment of prophecy (Rev.2:20).
If a human is chosen to have the name of "Elijah" written upon him by God's spirit, that human becomes aware of this assignment for a certainty (Rev.2:17). When the prophets Zechariah and John were asked to identify the two witnesses ("Moses" and "Elijah") and their supporters, they were unable (Zech.4:1-2,3-4,5,11-12,13-14; Rev.7:13-14).
Those who accept and receive these Elijah Heralds, and respond to the call of "Elijah" prophets, can benefit from that Herald's instruction, warning, and the redemption to follow, rather than suffer abandonment to the Destroyer (Matt.10:41; 25:40) (Jer.29:19,18; Rev.6:8) (Luke 17:26-27,30,34-35; 13:35 A; 2Chron.15:2; Jer.17:10; 1Kings 9:6-7,8-9) (1Cor.5:5; Rev.2:20-21; Jer.12:7; Isa.2:6; Rev.13:8; 14:11,10,19).
Elijah's name means, "My God is YHWH". His exclusive devotion to the true God, contrasted the leaders of Israel and the bad influence those leaders were having on all of God's people. The leaders (king Ahab and Jezebel) incited God's nation into idolatry. The book of Revelation makes a comparison between those leaders of God's nation, and the fulfillment of prophecy (Rev.2:20).
If a human is chosen to have the name of "Elijah" written upon him by God's spirit, that human becomes aware of this assignment for a certainty (Rev.2:17). When the prophets Zechariah and John were asked to identify the two witnesses ("Moses" and "Elijah") and their supporters, they were unable (Zech.4:1-2,3-4,5,11-12,13-14; Rev.7:13-14).
Those who accept and receive these Elijah Heralds, and respond to the call of "Elijah" prophets, can benefit from that Herald's instruction, warning, and the redemption to follow, rather than suffer abandonment to the Destroyer (Matt.10:41; 25:40) (Jer.29:19,18; Rev.6:8) (Luke 17:26-27,30,34-35; 13:35 A; 2Chron.15:2; Jer.17:10; 1Kings 9:6-7,8-9) (1Cor.5:5; Rev.2:20-21; Jer.12:7; Isa.2:6; Rev.13:8; 14:11,10,19).
When you ask if "Elijah" is the same as the TWO witnesses....
I would tell you that Elijah is only one of the two models/roles for the final prophet/witnesses. These witness prophets (however few or many they literally are), must fulfill both the roles of Elijah and Moses.
Zech.4:1-2,14; Luke 9:32,30
Zech.4:1-2,14; Luke 9:32,30
The final two witnesses must accomplish the assignments of both Elijah and Moses (Rev.11:3-4).
This is according to the vision Jesus Christ gave to Peter, James, and John (Matt.17:1-2,3).
This is according to the vision Jesus Christ gave to Peter, James, and John (Matt.17:1-2,3).
The vision took place on heavenly Mt. Zion
(Matt.17:1,5; 2Pet.1:18; Rev.14:1; Heb.12:22-23,24),
which represents the kingdom administration in which these rule with Christ (Rev.14:1; Dan.2:35 D; Isa.2:3; Micah 4:1).
(This mountain is not an earthly Organization made of Non-anointed.)
LINK: "YHWH's Genuine Mountain"
which represents the kingdom administration in which these rule with Christ (Rev.14:1; Dan.2:35 D; Isa.2:3; Micah 4:1).
(This mountain is not an earthly Organization made of Non-anointed.)
LINK: "YHWH's Genuine Mountain"
Although only Elijah is specifically mentioned as "restoring all things" (Matt.17:11) by returning the repentant to loyalty to God and the path of life...
(through a restoration of the relationship between spiritual fathers and sons)
....the role of Moses is also vital to the survival of those subjected to the Great Tribulation.
Why?
Because God's people are being held in captive slavery, by the very Gentile god they are idolizing.
(Rev.13:7-8,10; Luke 21:24; Rev.11:2; Dan.8:11; 11:31)
(abomination-causing-desolation) (disgusting-thing)
Why?
Because God's people are being held in captive slavery, by the very Gentile god they are idolizing.
(Rev.13:7-8,10; Luke 21:24; Rev.11:2; Dan.8:11; 11:31)
(abomination-causing-desolation) (disgusting-thing)
So much could be written about why these two men become models for the final prophets.
Simply put, it is because the combined situations and responsibilities which these two ancient prophets faced,
is identical to the final situations and responsibilities the final two witnesses face. The circumstances God's people were in at the time of Moses....AND in the time of Elijah,
are the combined circumstances God's people are in during the last days (Ex.9:1; Luke 21:24; Rev.13:10) (Rev.13:8; 19:20; 1Kings 18:17-18,21; 17:1; James 5:17; Rev.11:6; 2:20).
are the combined circumstances God's people are in during the last days (Ex.9:1; Luke 21:24; Rev.13:10) (Rev.13:8; 19:20; 1Kings 18:17-18,21; 17:1; James 5:17; Rev.11:6; 2:20).
This is why Elijah alone was not seen working with the glorified Christ.
Moses took an equal part in the discussion and work these two coordinated with Christ (Matt.17:3).
We are told that "no one can number" those Chosen priests who remain standing/spiritually survive the Great Tribulation (Rev.7:9,14; Matt.5:19 B). None would survive (Luke 13:23-24; Matt.19:25-26; Ps.94:17), if God did not limit the lethal power of it's ability to deceive, take captive, and conquer
(Matt.24:4-5,22-23,24-25; 2Cor.11:3,14-15; Col.2:8; Jer.31:11; Ps.35:10; Rev.12:15,14).
Rev.7:9 infers that the number of final witnesses, is open to any and all who are called and chosen to do this work. Other faithful anointed can join in with those already performing the roles of "Moses and Elijah". Any who accept this truth (Matt.10:41,40) can help to witness about it to yet others (Rev.22:17; Matt.22:8-9,10).
The "two witnesses" identity (Rev.11:3) is a reference to the roles of the prophets Elijah and Moses (Matt.17:3). The role of Elijah Herald is fulfilled by those chosen by God to have Elijah's "spirit and power" (Luke 1:17; 1Cor.12:18) (including John the Baptist --Matt.11:14), to prepare the way of the Lord just previous to his arrival.
In doing the preparatory work of "Elijah" and "Moses", the "two witnesses" prophets (1Cor.12:29; 14:32; Rom.12:6) call for God's chosen people (Chosen Ones) to awaken and repent...to be set free from slavery to men (Moses) (Rev.13:16-17,7,10; 9:5,10; Isa.42:7; Nahum 1:13,15; Ps.107:14) and to leave the idolatry of the Wild Beast (Elijah) (Rev.13:8,4,15; 2:14,20,22; 17:2; 18:9) and it's table of demonic lies
The "two witnesses" identity (Rev.11:3) is a reference to the roles of the prophets Elijah and Moses (Matt.17:3). The role of Elijah Herald is fulfilled by those chosen by God to have Elijah's "spirit and power" (Luke 1:17; 1Cor.12:18) (including John the Baptist --Matt.11:14), to prepare the way of the Lord just previous to his arrival.
In doing the preparatory work of "Elijah" and "Moses", the "two witnesses" prophets (1Cor.12:29; 14:32; Rom.12:6) call for God's chosen people (Chosen Ones) to awaken and repent...to be set free from slavery to men (Moses) (Rev.13:16-17,7,10; 9:5,10; Isa.42:7; Nahum 1:13,15; Ps.107:14) and to leave the idolatry of the Wild Beast (Elijah) (Rev.13:8,4,15; 2:14,20,22; 17:2; 18:9) and it's table of demonic lies
(Rev.16:13,14,15; 1Cor.10:21-22; 2Cor.6:17; Rev.18:4; Mark 13:14; 1Tim.4:1; Rev.12:15; Rev.13:2,11,17).
LINK: (https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/05/mark-of-beast.html)
LINK: (What does "buying" and "selling" mean?)
Those Chosen ones who do heed this call, will join the "cloud"/forces of Christ, and do their part in the war of God (Rev.6:9,11; 19:14,19; 16:14,16; 2Cor.10:4-5,3; Rev.12:7; 2:26-27; 12:10-11; 17:14) becoming angelic messengers throughout the earth ("four angels")
(four = North, South, East, West)
LINK: (What does "buying" and "selling" mean?)
Those Chosen ones who do heed this call, will join the "cloud"/forces of Christ, and do their part in the war of God (Rev.6:9,11; 19:14,19; 16:14,16; 2Cor.10:4-5,3; Rev.12:7; 2:26-27; 12:10-11; 17:14) becoming angelic messengers throughout the earth ("four angels")
(four = North, South, East, West)
[Rev.4:6; Rev.6:1-7 > (read here: LINK); Isa.62:6; Rev.4:8 (NIV).
Rev.16:3-4,6; Ps.79:3; Rev.11:8; Haggai 2:13 [] Dan.11:45; Rev.9:2,18; Eph.2:2-4,5-6; Rev.19:14; 17:14; 2Thess.1:6-8,9-10
These faithful assist, join, and support the work/testimony, of the symbolic prophet Moses/Elijah Heralds. The basic message is to "come out" of captivity
Rev.16:3-4,6; Ps.79:3; Rev.11:8; Haggai 2:13 [] Dan.11:45; Rev.9:2,18; Eph.2:2-4,5-6; Rev.19:14; 17:14; 2Thess.1:6-8,9-10These faithful assist, join, and support the work/testimony, of the symbolic prophet Moses/Elijah Heralds. The basic message is to "come out" of captivity
(Matt.25:39; Ps.142:7; Isa.51:14; John 8:32,36; Col.2:8; 1Cor.7:23; Rom.6:16; Gal.1:10) (Rev.18:4; 2Cor.6:17,14; Eph.5:11; John 10:2-4)
and to worship God alone, in defiance of the end-time idolatry, rife among God's Chosen remnant (Rev.12:17; 2:20,14-15; 13:1,3,7-8; 20:4; 14:6-8,9-10).
and to worship God alone, in defiance of the end-time idolatry, rife among God's Chosen remnant (Rev.12:17; 2:20,14-15; 13:1,3,7-8; 20:4; 14:6-8,9-10).
The testimony of faithful "angelic" messengers (Matt.24:31), as well as others who support them (Rev.22:17; 1:20; Matt.22:8-9,10; 5:15; 10:41-42; Prov.25:25) "gather" those who respond, to the spiritual provisions of the "two witnesses" (John 4:35-36; Rev.14:14-15,16).
You may have been taught that Jesus Christ himself fulfilled the future "Moses" prophet-role. Yet Jesus did not agree with that (Mark 8:27-29; John 1:49,51; 6:69; Matt.16:16-17) (Deut.18:15,18 (John 16:13); Deut.18:19). He was neither "Moses" nor "Elijah" who were prophesied to arrive.
He is the "Seed"/"Emmanuel"/Only Begotten Son of God (Gal.3:16; Matt.1:21-22,23; John 3:16; 1John 4:9), whom Moses wrote about (Gen.3:15; Luke 24:27,44). Both "Elijah" and "Moses" are co-workers with Christ (Matt.17:3).
What can we learn from the foretold manifestation of the second "Moses"?
What were the responsibilities of this major prophet?
How might those traits be manifested in the time of the end?
He is the "Seed"/"Emmanuel"/Only Begotten Son of God (Gal.3:16; Matt.1:21-22,23; John 3:16; 1John 4:9), whom Moses wrote about (Gen.3:15; Luke 24:27,44). Both "Elijah" and "Moses" are co-workers with Christ (Matt.17:3).
What can we learn from the foretold manifestation of the second "Moses"?
What were the responsibilities of this major prophet?
How might those traits be manifested in the time of the end?
Moses faced defiant and threatening Gentile rulers
(Ex.9:1,13-14; Rev.11:2; 13:7,10; 12:11; 11:3,7,8) (Dan.7:7,23; Rev.13:1,4,7), in order to encourage the humble among God's Nation to set themselves free from oppression (Ex.6:6-7,8,12; 12:21,24,28,42)
2Thess.2:3 NKJV 1Tim.4:1 (2Pet.2:19; Rom.6:16-17,18; John 8:32).
[Note: The Israelites were in captivity for 400 years. That is, 144,000 days. (400X360=144,000)(360=Jewish year) Can you perceive the role of captivity in sealing God's administration?
[Note: The Israelites were in captivity for 400 years. That is, 144,000 days. (400X360=144,000)(360=Jewish year) Can you perceive the role of captivity in sealing God's administration?
(Rom.6:16-17,18-19) Deut.4:20; Isa.48:10; Rev.3:18; John 8:32 -- Hosea 11:1; Matt.2:15; John 14:6; 1Pet.2:21; John 17:15; Rev.12:13-14; Matt.26:28; (Gal.4:24,26) Ps.143:11; Gen.9:11,13; Mal.2:5; 2Cor.3:6]
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Moses directs the saving of the "firstborn" of Israel from the destroying angel, by directing God's people to avail themselves of the life saving sacrifice of the "Passover Lamb" (1Cor.5:7; Rev.5:6,9-10; 14:1; 7:14; Heb.11:27-28; 12:23; James 1:18; Rom.8:23; 2Thess.2:13). He leads the trusting through the Wilderness of testing; all the while providing living water from stone (Num.20:10-11; Matt.3:9; Luke 19:40; 1Pet.2:5; John 7:38). He begged God for provisions (Matt.6:11; John 6:31,33,35), so that "bread from heaven"...the Holy Manna of immortality that prevents starvation during spiritual famine, was provided
(Rev.2:17; 3:20; Luke 12:37; Isa.65:13; 55:1-2,4; Rev.22:17) (Rev.6:6,5; 13:17).
He held a rod of authority over the Nations (Ex.7:19; Rev.2:26-27; 16:3), forcing them to release their slave-hold on God's People.
He pours out the plagues to come upon the oppressors of his brothers (Ex.11:1; Rev.15:1).
He pours out the plagues to come upon the oppressors of his brothers (Ex.11:1; Rev.15:1).
On God's power, he conducted the faithful through the "Dead (Red) Sea"/"abyss"/"deep", so that Satan's wormwood waters would not overwhelm and swallow them up (Rev.12:15; Isa.43:2; Ps.32:6; 66:12; Rev.9:14; 16:12; Isa.11:15; Ex.14:16).
LINK: pearl-leviathan.blogspot.com
He directed that the pursuing enemy be destroyed/condemned, by a sweeping flood of those same demonic waters of death, and the Gentile agents who carried them (Ex.14:26; Isa.28:17-19; Prov.21:15; Rev.12:15; 9:2-3; 17:12-13,15-17) by exposing the lies of the enemy (Ex.8:6; Rev.16:13; Rev.8:10-11).
Yet Moses did nothing, without the backing and lead of God and His "Word" (Ex.3:12; Zech.4:9; 2:9; Mal.3:1; Ex.13:21-22; Rev.22:5; John 1:1,14).
LINK: pearl-leviathan.blogspot.com
He directed that the pursuing enemy be destroyed/condemned, by a sweeping flood of those same demonic waters of death, and the Gentile agents who carried them (Ex.14:26; Isa.28:17-19; Prov.21:15; Rev.12:15; 9:2-3; 17:12-13,15-17) by exposing the lies of the enemy (Ex.8:6; Rev.16:13; Rev.8:10-11).
Yet Moses did nothing, without the backing and lead of God and His "Word" (Ex.3:12; Zech.4:9; 2:9; Mal.3:1; Ex.13:21-22; Rev.22:5; John 1:1,14).
All the details of salvation which were provided through Moses, are apparently needed in the time of the end. Hence, "Moses", is one of the two symbolic roles for the final prophets. He stands as one of their models, along with Elijah.
Both Moses and Elijah were given divine authority to judge, by literally bringing down "fire from heaven" (2Kings 1:12; Ex.9:23).
The final two prophets also have this power, in a spiritual sense
(Luke 9:54; Rev.11:5; 20:9; 1Cor.6:2-3; Rev.12:7-8,10-11). Those judged by the fire of these prophet's words
(Rev.11:5; Jer.23:29; Jer.5:14 NIV ; Hosea 6:5; Dan.2:45; Isa.51:9-10; Zech.11:14; Luke 12:46), are judged by a fire sourced in heaven (Luke 12:49,51; Zech.11:14; Jer.5:14 NIV ; Jer.1:9; Isa.24:6; 2Pet.3:12,7; Rev.11:5).
LINK:("Fire From Heaven")
LINK:("Fire From Heaven")
The original Moses and Elijah performed their miraculous divinely bestowed authority with dramatic visibility. The final Moses and Elijah do so spiritually, but the results are just as powerful and conclusive. This is why the final testing and the arrival of the kingdom to follow, do not come "with striking observation" (Luke 17:20-21; Matt.16:3-4; 13:10-13,14-16; Isa.44:18; Hosea 14:9; Dan.12:10).
Physical men who seek physical signs will be mislead by the god of the physical world. These will be unable to perceive the spiritual signs of the Master's arrival for inspection
Physical men who seek physical signs will be mislead by the god of the physical world. These will be unable to perceive the spiritual signs of the Master's arrival for inspection
(1Cor.2:14,13; John 14:17; 1John 5:19) (1Thess.5:2; Mark 13:35-36,37; Matt.24:32-33,42-43,44; Rev.3:3).
LINK: (pearl-sign.blogspot.com)
Only those who "keep awake" in constant prayer and exclusive devotion to God, will escape this stealth arrival of the Master's inspection (Eph.6:18; 1Thess.5:6; Rev.16:15; Luke 21:34-35,36). Jesus well knew that his inspection would take place while Satan (the thief) dominated Christ's household of sheep, through the wicked steward (John 10:10,1,8; Luke 12:42-43,45,46; Rev.13:11,15).
LINK: (pearl-sign.blogspot.com)
Only those who "keep awake" in constant prayer and exclusive devotion to God, will escape this stealth arrival of the Master's inspection (Eph.6:18; 1Thess.5:6; Rev.16:15; Luke 21:34-35,36). Jesus well knew that his inspection would take place while Satan (the thief) dominated Christ's household of sheep, through the wicked steward (John 10:10,1,8; Luke 12:42-43,45,46; Rev.13:11,15).
The final tribulation is so effective (Joel 2:2; Matt.24:21; Eze.14:14), judgement will be passed while most are unaware and asleep.
These are consigned to "smashing" as unfit vessels (Isa.30:14; Rev.2:27; 12:5; Dan.2:44; Jer.23:29)
That day is here (Rev.6:4; Eze.9:1-2,3-4,5-6,7-8,9-10,11).
When Satan brings the final destruction,
only those marked for life will pass over into the Kingdom.
The role of Elijah is also needed now. He restores spiritual parents and children to accept and care for each other (Luke 1:17; Mal.4:6). Most are blind to this present need, or the absence of this care.
(https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2016/01/elijah-turns-hearts.html)
(https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2016/01/elijah-turns-hearts.html)
As to whether or not Moses and Elijah are literally two persons, Revelation is symbolic (Rev.1:1 NKJV ). God is at liberty to choose as many or as few as He wishes to fulfill this dual role, and would approve and support any whom He chooses to do it.
At first, I expected that the entire "Great Crowd" of last day faithful priests (remnant) were the manifestation of these two roles. I also thought that all sealed 144000 who will rule with Christ, are symbolized by them also. While this may be so, Truth has adjusted me to understand, that "not all are prophets"
(Eph.4:11-12; 1Cor.12:4-5,7,10-11,12,14,18,20,28-29).
Not all prophets are given the spirit and power of Moses and Elijah.
Those who support these two roles however, bear and testify to the same message and warning being given by the final "Moses and Elijah". They are the lampstand/congregation who are with the capstone (John 4:22; Rom.2:29; Zech.8:23; 4:7,10,14; Rev.11:4; 1:20; Matt.5:15).
On the stage of Revelation, Satan is waging war with the "remaining ones" of the woman's seed (Rev.12:17). The Great Crowd is said to come through the Great Tribulation (Rev.7:14). Jesus pointed to that time as the end of a system of worship (Matt.24:21,3,14).
(There are two covenants which end...the Law Covenant and the Covenant of Promise. They end through fulfillment.)
LINK: Does the "New Covenant" end?
Therefore it would seem that the "two witnesses" active amidst this specific period, are specific prophet(s) raised up by Christ, to deal with that specific end-time scenario (Rev.11:3). The prophet Zechariah refers to these two as the "capstone" of the anointed temple priesthood. That stone would be the last to be installed
On the stage of Revelation, Satan is waging war with the "remaining ones" of the woman's seed (Rev.12:17). The Great Crowd is said to come through the Great Tribulation (Rev.7:14). Jesus pointed to that time as the end of a system of worship (Matt.24:21,3,14).
(There are two covenants which end...the Law Covenant and the Covenant of Promise. They end through fulfillment.)
LINK: Does the "New Covenant" end?
Therefore it would seem that the "two witnesses" active amidst this specific period, are specific prophet(s) raised up by Christ, to deal with that specific end-time scenario (Rev.11:3). The prophet Zechariah refers to these two as the "capstone" of the anointed temple priesthood. That stone would be the last to be installed
(Zech.4:14,7,9; Eph.2:20-21,22; 1Pet.2:5,9; 1Cor.3:16).
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Certainly, not many Chosen Ones are presently chosen by God to be the "Moses" and "Elijah" prophets. Almost all of them, even among those whose lives were sacrificed for loyalty to truth, are not even aware of the spiritual war around us, nor have they identified and recognize their enemies, as designated by the scroll of Revelation. How then, can they wage an effective spiritual battle, or guide others to freedom, divine approval, and truth?
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Certainly, not many Chosen Ones are presently chosen by God to be the "Moses" and "Elijah" prophets. Almost all of them, even among those whose lives were sacrificed for loyalty to truth, are not even aware of the spiritual war around us, nor have they identified and recognize their enemies, as designated by the scroll of Revelation. How then, can they wage an effective spiritual battle, or guide others to freedom, divine approval, and truth?
God spoke directly to Moses and Elijah, through God's mediator and spokesman, the "Word" (Num.12:7-8; 1Kings 18:36).
Based upon my own search, I know of no one else who has had such direct contact with the Lord as yet, nor been directed by him to accept this capacity, in imitation of Moses and Elijah.
No one can check God's hand. He can do as He pleases. (Isa.40:13; 46:8-9,10-11,12-13)
The presence of these two symbolic roles in the time of the end tells us much about the last day circumstances of God's people
(Mal.4:5; Deut.18:15; Matt.17:3; Rev.11:3-4; Zech.4:1-2,3-4,5-6,7-8,9-10,11-12,13-14; Ex.29:7; 40:15; Dan.9:24-26; 12:7; 2Thess.2:4,8).
The scriptures tell us much about the responsibilities of these "two" (John 8:17). But true to Rev.7:9 (Matt.5:19 B), no one can say how many will arise to fulfill the work of these two prophetic roles...
The scriptures tell us much about the responsibilities of these "two" (John 8:17). But true to Rev.7:9 (Matt.5:19 B), no one can say how many will arise to fulfill the work of these two prophetic roles...
whether one person, or thousands.
As discussed, the assignment given the one(s) chosen to fulfill the Moses/Elijah prophet(s); can be supported... both by those anointed and non-anointed.
As Rev.22:17 and Matt.22:8-9,10 both indicate; any who are able to hear and receive the final testimony of the two witnesses, are directed to spread that message, thereby sharing in the responsibilities of the supporting lamp-stands (Rev.11:4; 1:20; Matt.5:15) belonging to the final, Moses and Elijah.
Love in Christ,
Pearl
Isa.42:6,7,14,16; John 14:18