Tuesday, May 15, 2012

(Part 3)
Hi Pearl,
Is it really important that Jesus was Michael ? I really don't have any scriptures that say he is or isn't & so far witnesses don't either. Just a summation or a could be..check out Hebrews 1..I know you know this one, so thats'the only one I can point you to. The Son Exalted Above Angels

5 For to which of the angels did He ever say:“You are My Son,Today I have begotten You”?[c]And again:“I will be to Him a Father, And He shall be to Me a Son”?[d]6 But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says:“Let all the angels of God worship Him.”[e]7 And of the angels He says:“Who makes His angels spirits And His ministers a flame of fire.

When I read that scripture that's when I began to question. The witnesses have a lot of truth & over the years things have changed..& that is a good thing. In our examining the scriptures there was a text of the day that referred to Michael but never once pointed that he was Jesus, could the light be getting brighter....If we continue to email each other I will paste & copy it for you, but most likely you may have read it...Hope we speak again....



The reason why it is important to understand these details...
When Jehovah says that "I have begotten you"...this is unique.
Even the other anointed ones, are not begotten by Jehovah.
True, there is
"Now that YOU have purified YOUR souls by [YOUR] obedience to the truth with unhypocritical brotherly affection as the result, love one another intensely from the heart. 23 For YOU have been given a new birth, not by corruptible, but by incorruptible [reproductive] seed, through the word of [the] living and enduring God."
This was a promise given by the word of God, which never fails.
That incorruptible "seed" is Christ. The anointed Christian grows according to this "model" (1Pet.2:21) until they grow to the full stature of Christ (Eph.4:13).
My point, is that the 144000 receive spirit life...not from Jehovah God directly, but from Christ. He is the basis of their glorification, through the forgiveness of sins.
The way they become Sons of God, is through adoption after their resurrection...not through being directly "begotten" by God.
Jesus is the only-begotten Son of God (John3:16).

The scriptures you cite in Hebrews, do not indicate that Jesus was not Michael...
They indicate that of all the anointed angels...only Jesus was directly begotten by God.

This is why Heb.1:6 says that all those angels will serve and worship Jesus. He is the King of those kings. (see John1:51; Gen.28:12; Dan.7:13; Rev.22:3,4).
When that Kingdom arrives...all 144000 will serve under Jesus. He is the one that paid the price for their thrones (Rev.5:9,10). He will oversee their kingdom work.
And perhaps you also noticed at Heb.1:6...these firstborn ones (Rev.14:4; Heb.12:22,23) will come back into the earth during the kingdom.  (Rev 3: 12) (Rev 21: 2, 9, 10) (Galatians 4:26, 31)
This is what "Jacob's Ladder" is about.  You might like to read an article at Obadiah Blogs:
Jacob's Ladder

Again, unless you clearly see that these "angels" are the 144000, you will still think that these scriptures support divorcing the identities of Jesus and Michael.
He is not talking of angels who were born as spirits in heaven. He is referring to those partners of Christ (See Heb.1:9). Notice in that verse, that they are "anointed" with the "oil of exultation" just like Jesus, but less so. These are not heavenly-born angels. Those do not get anointed. These "angels" are Abraham's seed (see Heb.2:16; Gal.3:29).

So again I tell you...
The angels that Jesus is exalted above, are the 144000. Among these, only Jesus was directly begotten by Jehovah God. The rest are adopted after they get spirit life from Jesus (Rom.8:23) who is their spirit father first (Rev.14:4; Psalm45:16; Isa.9:6). ("Firstfruits...to the Lamb"; "your sons"; "eternal father" 2Thess.2:13,14).

The scripture you are citing does not mean what you presume...neither does it clarify the subject of Jesus being or not being Michael.

Since Satan now dominates the Organization, I would not expect brighter lamps from the anointed leaders above it (Matt.25:8).

I think it may help you tremendously to reflect upon the situation God's people are in, at the time of the appearance of "Michael".

Do you remember that "all the earth" turn to worshiping the wild beast and it's image (Rev.13:8)?
Apparently, they feel that this is more worthy of worship than Jehovah God.
Remember what distinguishes the faithful from the rest?
They are busy declaring...
 "And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: “Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.” Rev.7:10 (see Rev.14:7)

So then, what is the central issue in the time of the end?

The central issue at the end (which means the difference between life and death)...
is the recognition, appreciation, acknowledgement, and devotion to Jehovah God as the only one worthy of worship, glory, and credit for salvation.
The threat to that is a pervasive Idolatry.

So then, in that climate...what role do you think Jesus ("the faithful witness" Rev.1:5) would take?
Would he not be active in establishing the truth, that there is no one like God?...not the wild beast, not the false prophet, not the Great Harlot, not the dragon, not the locust-scorpions, not the Image....
NONE of them, compares to Jehovah.

Would that not be the message that he and his "angels" are battling over,
against all those agents of worship for Satan?
Small wonder that the role of the end-time Jesus is named "Michael"... which means "Who is like God?"

If you truly are looking for increasing light...do not look to the darkness.
Best Regards,

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