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Friday, June 2, 2023

144,000 and Great Crowd, Compared [] Sealed [] Serving as Priests

This comment below was left under the post: 
It read; 
"You imply that the 144000 and the great crowd are similar in the way that both groups have been anointed (does this therefore mean that they are given the same assignment? If not, how do their roles differ?). This makes sense as only 'priests' or anointed may "render... sacred service day and night in his temple" without defilement. Are you implying that only those who are anointed are saved and sealed to reign with Christ and worship God? If so, who do they reign over if they are all priests? If not, how may non-anointed ones serve or worship Him without defilement or be saved, or how can they become anointed? (please excuse my misunderstanding if these are simple questions as I have only begun studying the bible around 5-6 months ago)"

My response:
First you ask if all anointed receive the same assignment.
If you recall, all anointed who are joined to Christ their head, become one spirit with him because they become a part of his body 
(Eph.5:23; 4:14; 1:22-23;  1Cor.6:17; John 17:21,23; 15:4-5,7-8;  1Cor.12:27).
---All anointed priests are required to produce fine fruit, which symbolizes the teaching of divine truth (Mal.2:7;  1John2:20,27). 
If you do not see that interpretation clearly (fruit=teaching), please consider this post: 
---Priests offer incense, which means to offer prayer in behalf of others 
(Luke 1:9; Ps.141:2; Rev.5:8 <(note "elders"); James 5:14-15 <(note "elders");  1Cor.6:1,2,3)
None other than priest, can offer incense or sacrifice. Yet even in this, there are specific rules. The prophet Samuel was a priest of God in the days when Saul was king of Israel. Even the king could not perform the duties of priest 
(1Sam.13:7-14;  2Chron.23:6-7). All are to observe God's law to honor the distinction God makes, between the consecrated and the common.
---All priests are to offer the sacrifice of praise to God, the "bulls" of the lips (Hosea 14:2 (ESV) ; Heb.13:15). 

Next you ask;
"If not (all given the same assignment), how do their roles differ?

This question assumes that the role of priest cannot vary among individual priests, unless they are not given the same assignment.
As mentioned above, the general assignment of priest contains some common services. There are others in addition to the ones mentioned. 
If you remember back to the practice of anointing in Israel, it was used to manifest God's choosing of a priest or king. Although an anointed king was given the general assignment to rule God's nation; each king faced various circumstances, which he as an individual would need to be responsible for. In most cases, God would communicate to that king through a prophet, outlining particular responsibilities for that individual king.

Although there are the general assignments given to all New Covenant anointed priests, regardless of when they live; their individual roles, do differ. So may their circumstances.
How do we know this?
Well remember above that I mentioned the union of the Body members of Christ, with him as Head?
Your question, is addressed in 1Corinthians, chapter 12.
I'll quote some key verses...
1Cor.12:
4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. 5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6 There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work. 11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines. 12 Just as a body, though one, has many parts, but all its many parts form one body, so it is with Christ. 14 And so the body is not made up of one part but of many. 17 If the whole body were an eye, where would the sense of hearing be? If the whole body were an ear, where would the sense of smell be? 18 But in fact God has placed the parts in the body, every one of them, just as he wanted them to be. 19 If they were all one part, where would the body be? 20 As it is, there are many parts, but one body. 27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28 And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret?"

These differences do reflect God's original Temple in Israel, which was designed as a physical pattern of the spiritual reality of heaven (2Chron.31:2;  1Chron.9:22-23,26,28-30; Heb.8:1-2,5).
Please give another look at verse 29 which reads;
"29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers?"
All the apostles, prophets, and teachers in the body of Christ, are anointed into their assignment as priests. How do those assignments compare both in commonality and uniqueness?
Note that verse 28 (underlined above) shows us an order to Christ's Body. 
The apostles are primary, next are the prophets, then teachers, etc.
To show that these positions are not always fluid, those who are assigned lesser responsibility than a teacher, are given the advice of James 3:1. Yet each one's assignment includes all gifts under them. For example, the apostles can prophesy and teach. Prophets can teach. Teachers can heal, help, and guide. Yet those given less, can not will themselves to be an apostle or prophet, or even a teacher (Matt.25:14-15;  1Pet.4:10). This is further revealed at Num.3:3-4; Lev.10:1; 16:1-2.
God considers it an even greater abomination, if the priesthood is traversed by uncircumcised foreigners (Eze.44:6-7,8-9,13;  2Chron.13:9). It has been long prophesied that this exact abomination takes place in the time of the End (Matt.24:15; Dan.11:31,36;  2Thess.2:4; Rev.11:2)

That order of Christ's Body members, is also the order of God's Temple of living stones (1Pet.2:5).
The Body and Temple are the same identity, both being expressed through each symbol (body,temple)(John 2:21).
We learn that at Eph.2:
20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit."
 Eph.2:6; Heb.12:22-23; 8:2,5

Just as the apostles are "first" and prophets are "second" (1Cor.12:28) and all the other Body parts of Christ come to follow them; At Eph.2:20, we learn the reason for that order. The "first" and "second" are the foundation.
So, to be direct...
all anointed priests are assigned to belong to the Body of Christ, and, are all living stones of God's habitation.
Yet their roles can certainly differ, even while they all offer sacred service day and night.
Even among the apostles ...their assignments differed from one another. Yet they were all apostles and foundation stones to the Holy City and the Christian faith (Rev.21:14).

You next ask;
"Are you implying that only those who are anointed are saved and sealed to reign with Christ and worship God?"

Not sure how you got this idea, and I wonder if you understand what it means to be "saved" or to be "sealed". You are connecting being "sealed to reigning with Christ" and then you hook on "and worship God".
I'll have to take that in pieces.

"Are you implying that only those who are anointed are saved?"    
       No. The role of priest is to assist others to be saved.

"Are you implying that only those who are anointed are...sealed?"
       I wonder if you know what it means to be sealed. 
It means to be spiritually marked as a slave of God. That mark is present when a person has God's Laws written on their heart and mind. God's Laws govern that one's faith, conscience, and actions. They then have the seal of God written on their forehead and hand (Deut.11:18; Rev.7:3; 14:1).

I don't know why you say "sealed to reign".
One can be sealed as a slave of God, without being a royal heir. There are those who were chosen to reign, who fail to get sealed. In fact, they even become sealed as obedient, idolater slaves of an Idol (Rev.13:16,7,10; Col.2:8; Luke 21:24; Dan.11:33).

And finally you ask; "Are you implying that only those who are anointed...worship God?"
       I'm not clear why you are asking this.
Don't you recall that the whole nation of Israel, along with foreigners, worshiped God?
Were all those worshipers, anointed kings or priests?
I assume you already know that all those who worship God, are not anointed.
Genuine anointed Kings and Priests since the time of Christ, are designated, chosen, and assigned, 
to serve God, each other, and those who desire life from Christ.

Next you ask;
"how may non-anointed ones serve or worship Him without defilement or be saved, or how can they become anointed?"

That question is two-part.
FIRST:

All may serve and worship God without defilement and be saved, by learning from Christ and God. God sent Christ into the world to save it. That salvation is through Christ's teaching (John 6:63) because of the spirit of life and light, contained in the teaching. 
However, 
if a person has not been chosen and anointed by God to be a priest, they are not permitted to serve in that capacity. If they do enter into that service, they do defile it.

How do priests fit into the salvation of others?
I'll cite Mal.2:7 again. 
The teaching of life is symbolized as light, living water, a grapevine, or incorruptible wheat seed.
All three, originate with Jesus Christ 
(John 1:4,9,14; 8:12; 4:10,14; John 15:5; Luke 8:11;  1Pet.1:23; John 3:34; 6:51,35).

All three, are given by spirit to God's anointed priests, to continue the ministry of Christ.
(2Cor.5:20; 4:6;  1Pet.2:9; Matt.5:14-16)(Rev.22:17)
(John 15:16; Luke 6:43-45; Matt.13:51-52; 7:20; Rev.22:1-3)
(1Cor.10:17; Luke 8:15; Matt.13:37-38) 
(John 13:20;  1Cor.4:1; John 21:17; Luke 12:42)

SECOND:
Lastly you ask, "how may non-anointed...become anointed?"

Non-anointed become anointed, because God chooses them to be so. That assignment is not something that we can aspire to, or attain on our own. 
We recall that we previously looked at the apostles as being "first"... the foundation of God's spiritual Temple. Did they choose that position and earn it in some way?
Well, John 6:70 shows that they were chosen. (John 15:16)
   If you read in the Bible, the accounts of their individual choosing, you will see that they did not anticipate when Jesus approached and chose them. It is the same when we are anointed, and Jesus circumcises our heart [Rom.2:28-29; Col.2:11 (NIV)]. The event is unexpected and miraculous.
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You brought up the distinction between the 144,000 and the Great Crowd; yet your questions did not really probe the distinction between their circumstances, nor how their responsibilities differ.

The 144000 reign with Christ DURING the symbolic thousand years (Rev.20:6). They exercise their authority to represent Christ, in the time during which, Jesus is subduing his enemies through the anointed (Mount Zion -Rev.14:1; Psalm 110:2) (Luke 22:69; Ps.110:1-2;  1Cor.15:25).

When that symbolic 1,000 year period ends, Satan is released from the abyss. 
He goes off to wage war with the remaining anointed (Rev.20:7-9; 17:14; 12:17). 
That enmity between Satan and his minions, against Christ and his faithful, is the period of time called the Great Tribulation which evolves into Armageddon. 
That is the era during which the Great Crowd exist (Rev.7:9,13,14,15). 

We read above in 1Cor.15:25 that Jesus rules until all enemies are subdued beneath his feet. Obviously, when Satan is released, gathers his forces, and attacks the anointed... all enemies are not yet subdued. 
1Cor.15:26 tells us that the very last enemy is "Death". That is the enemy that the Great Crowd must overcome, with Christ's help. That enemy emerges during the 4th watch. You can see God's watchman sound the warning as that enemy approaches, at Rev.6:7 (NKJV) and Rev.6:8 (NKJV)

The anointed kings under Christ are always charged with bringing Christ to those who want and accept him. 
The 144000 do that during Satan being restrained in the abyss. 
The Great Crowd must do that when Satan is loosed.

I hope that my reply has satisfied your need. There is a great amount of information in this entire blog site to fill in many missing pieces to this topic. Please use the search box, and feel free to follow up with additional questions if you need to.

Sunday, November 7, 2021

When are the Enemies of Jesus, Subdued Beneath his Feet? [] Four Watchmen

Questions received:
1. Can you please add more understanding to 1 Corinthians 15:25?
There it says that Jesus reigns until all his enemies are subject to him. Yet you teach that his 'thousand year' kingdom has already ended. Yet we see that all his enemies are not yet made powerless, removed, and gone.
2. When are all Jesus' enemies conquered and made subject to him?
3. What caused Jesus' thousand year kingdom to end?
4. Why would anyone want to let Satan out of the Abyss? 
5. Who was responsible for that, and why?
Thanks. Obadiah.

My reply:
Well, we've got lots of ground to cover. :)
I'll respond to each of your questions, by number.
1.)
To begin, it may help to consider a detail of the verse that follows 1Cor.15:25, and that is, 1Cor.15:26.
You may note that all the initial enemies of Jesus, are lumped together in verse 25. But in verse 26, the conquering of "Death" is mentioned separately, and as occurring after the previous enemies.

That fact is consistent with the depiction of the enemies of Jesus, contained in the book of Revelation. 
At Rev.6:1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8, we see the 4 living creatures. They are the 4 anointed watchmen of the night 
[Isa.21:6,8,9,10,11,12 (<Dan.8:13,14); Rev.2:28; Eze.3:16,17; 33:1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9; Isa.62:6; Rev.4:6-8; Isa.62:6; Mark 13:34 NIV ; Luke 21:36]. 
These watchmen are special prophets (Hosea 9:8; Matt.11:7,9,10; 17:10,12,13,11)
(Mal.4:5; Luke 1:17; Mal.3:1,2,3; Dan.8:14; Eze.14:4,5,21,22; Rev.6:7,8; Luke 19:41,42,43,44; 21:20,21,22,23,24; Matt.24:42,29; Joel 2:31; Amos 5:18; Rom.13:12; Rev.2:28,29).
Their assignment is to remain awake spiritually, and sound a warning when God's nation is threatened by an encroaching enemy.
My reason for explaining the 4 watchmen/living creatures, is that at Rev.6:7-8 we see there depicted, that last enemy, Death (1Cor.15:26) 
and we see that it arises in the time of the 4th and last Watchman.
The previous enemies (as stated at 1Cor.15:25) arise previous to the time of the 4th Watchman.
You may also note that in the time of Death's attack; there are simultaneously, all 4 plagues released against God's nation... Sword, famine, plague, and wild beasts (Rev.6:8). God allows the release of this curse, due to His nation's gross unfaithfulness, 
just as noted in Eze.14:21,5 cited above. 
That greatest time of trouble and adversity, is the Great Tribulation. It occurs during the era of the 4th watchman, when Death yet needs to be conquered.

Now to get back to a further opening of 1Cor.15:25;
we may assume that this verse is asserting that Jesus' reign must be continual, in order for all his enemies to be subdued. It is more accurately understood as saying, that in order for all enemies to be subjugated... he must be reigning. Is there a difference? 
Yes.
Please be patient while I use an illustration to portray this truth.
A carpenter is working on a project and is using electric power tools. That project consists of 4 major tasks. We may assume that in order for his job to be finished, he works non-stop with no interruptions. But now imagine that after he completes three of the tasks, he loses electric power due to an outage. During that outage, he cannot make progress, because his tools are not working. During that interim, he is not functioning as a carpenter.
When power is restored; he resumes his work through his power tools, and completes the last of the 4 tasks. He must be working, if he wishes to finish the entire project.
Similarly,
When 1Cor.15:25 states that Jesus must be reigning in order to subdue his enemies, that does not necessarily infer that there is no interruption in his reign, between his subduing his enemies previous to Death, and his subduing the last enemy, Death (1Cor.15:26).

I do hope that at this point, you can see that there is no contradiction between 1Cor.15:25 and this blog's teaching, which asserts that the symbolic thousand year reign of Christ, ends before the conquering of the last enemy Death.
For those of you readers who are not familiar with that timetable; I suggest reading this post 
plus the first few posts that can be found in the search result at this link:
If you do not find what you require, please contact me.

So to respond to your first two questions;
Jesus must be reigning over his living anointed slaves... 
       (through which he battles as they conquer the world as individuals -Ps.110:1,2; Rev.17:14; Eph.2:6; Rev.19:14;  2Cor.10:3-5)
...in order to make progress against his enemies. That corresponds to a carpenter needing his tools to be working, in order to finish his project.
Prophecy indicates that just as with an electric outage that disrupts the usefulness of a carpenter's tools and stops his progress;
Jesus' reign over his anointed temple priesthood, is interrupted 
(Dan.8:11,12; 7:25; 9:26,27; 11:31; Mark 13:14; Luke 21:20,24). 
Satan's victory over the anointed remnant (when he is released from the abyss), marks the end of Jesus' 'thousand year' reign over his living Body members (Rev.20:7)... interrupting the progress of subjugating his enemies, through them. That occurs during the Great Tribulation and trampling of the anointed remnant, by the Gentiles. 
It is also the period when the Gentile anti-Christ/man of lawlessness, is enthroned above God's Temple (2Thess.2:3-4; Mark 13:14) (1Cor.3:16; Eph.2:20,21,22;  1Pet. 2:5), which ends the daily sacrifices of that Temple priesthood, in their service to Christ. That is an interruption of Christ's reign over his living congregation, and ends his uninterrupted 1,000 year reign.
The last enemy Death is not conquered, until the remnant seed (also mentioned separately -Rev.12:17;  1Cor.15:23-24) of the woman covenant, conquers that last enemy to be unleashed by Satan. (Rev.20:7-8,10,14). The attack by the last enemy Death, is unleashed after Satan is liberated from the chains of the abyss. That last enemy Death is conquered, during Armageddon.

Here is an excerpt from the post: "WHY MUST SATAN BE RELEASED FROM THE ABYSS?"

"Upon Satan's release, he goes off to wage war with the remnant of the woman's seed (Rev.20:7,8; 12:17)
Satan's agents (Rev.16:13,14,15,16; 13:11;  2Thess.2:9,10,11,12;  1Tim.4:1) are successful against the saints 
[Rev.13:7; Dan.7:25; 11:36; (2Thess.2:4); Dan.8:12,13; Rev.11:2; Matt.5:13; 24:24,25]

Through an alliance with a fallen star/false prophet (Rev.8:10,11; 9:1,2,3; 13:11; 19:20)
Satan is released, and brings with himself a flood of his agents of deception, both spirit and human 
(Eph.2:2;  2Tim.3:13;  2Cor.4:4;  2Cor.11:13,14,15; Matt.24:24,25;  1Tim.4:1)... who successfully alienate the saints, from Christ... 
resulting in the remnant of the saints, being taken captive to deception and death 
(Hosea 4:6a; John 17:3; 6:63; Eph.2:12; 4:18; Col.2:19; John 15:16).
(Rev.12:15; Col.2:8; Rev.13:10; Dan.11:33; Luke 21:24,20; Rev.20:9a).

Satan employs the dark powers of his abyss/Hades, and through his alliance with "Wormwood", releases the agents of the Abyss, upon the remnant... resulting in the captivity and spiritual death of the remnant.

When the Chosen elect then alive, become enslaved to Satan... Is Jesus still their ruling king? 
Is Jesus still the Head over his Body and Temple? 
No. 
At the time that God's Temple is overcome and trampled by the Gentile "man of lawlessness" (2Thess.2:3,4; Dan.11:36,37,38,39)... the "abomination of desolation"... the "disgusting thing, standing where it does not belong" (Mark 13:14;  1Cor.3:16,17), Satan becomes ruler over the remnant. The "thousand year" kingdom of Jesus Christ over his living saints, ends. 
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The period of time that we are presently in, encompasses the Great Tribulation and Armageddon. 
This is the period which the Bible refers to as Satan's "short period of time" (Mark 13:20; Rev.12:12; 20:3; Matt.24:22,32,33; Luke 21:28). 
Satan's victory over the anointed during the Great Tribulation, ends during Armageddon. The Great Tribulation and Armageddon are the interim between the end of the symbolic Thousand Year kingdom of Christ, and the start of God's eternal Kingdom. 

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QUESTION 2. When are all Jesus' enemies conquered and made subject to him?

The messenger of the covenant mentioned above (the 4th living creature/4th watchman), turns the hearts of God's sons, back to God 
This causes the restoration and function of God's spiritual temple and priesthood, when their being trampled, ends 
(Mal.3:1,2,3; Dan.7:25; 8:11,12,13,14; Rev.11:2,3).
Just as electrical service resumes for the carpenter's tools; the servants of Christ and members of Zion are once again found faithfully exposing the falsehoods that took them captive and made them subject to Death (Ps.110:2;  2Cor.10:4,5; Eph.6:11,12; 5:11; Mal.2:7; Rev.5:10)
(Rev.3:1,11; James 1:12; Luke 12:39; John 10:10; Heb.2:14; Rev.13:2,7,10; Col.2:8 NIV ). 
Christ is then again, reigning over his anointed congregation, and finishing the conquering of his enemies, including Death. As 1Cor.15:24,25,26,27,28 explains, the last of Christ's enemies are subdued by the remaining members of Zion...
       (Rev.12:11; 3:9;  1John 5:4; Rev.2:26,27; 3:21; Dan.7:25,21,22,26,27; Rev.15:2), 
...after which, Jesus gives their accomplishment over to God. The eternal reign of all the faithful in the kingdom of God, then commences.


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QUESTION 3. What caused Jesus' thousand year kingdom to end?

Rev.20:7 states plainly, the reason why Jesus loses his authority, power and control over his temple priests. Satan's release brings with it, a sweeping power of deceptive darkness, which overtakes the remnant of anointed 
(Rev.9:1,2,3; Joel 2:1,2; Isa.59:10; Rev.8:12; Isa.60:2;  1Tim.4:1; Rev.16:13,14,15,16;  
1Kings 22:21,22,23; 
  Rev.13:7,10; Col.2:8 NIV ; Dan.8:12; Matt.24:5,24,25,22)
Satan's is then able to mislead the previously enlightened nations belonging to God (1Pet.2:9,10; Rev.20:3;  1John 5:19; Matt.16:18), 
during the Great Tribulation (Dan.8:11,12,24; Col.2:19; John 15:5,6).
 
QUESTION 4. Why would anyone want to let Satan out of the Abyss? 

The first thing to keep in mind is that Revelation is written in symbolism. Jesus has bound Satan in order to prevent his ability to mislead Christ's anointed priests 
(Mark 3:27; Rev.20:3; Luke 10:17,18,19;  1John 2:20). 

Neither the chains nor the abyss, are literal or physical.
If Satan is enabled to gain his power to deceive the anointed, that would be symbolically depicted as his release from that previous constraint.
To understand Why Satan is released, we must first understand How Satan is released.
In order for Satan to be able to mislead the saints, the saints must be apt to be guided and nurtured by an agent of Satanic and demonic deception. Such false prophets are a reality 
2Cor.11:3,4,5,12,13,14,15;  2Tim.3:13; Matt.24:24,25;  1Cor.10:21;  1Tim.4:1; Rev.2:20; 16:13,14; 19:20; 13:14,7,10; Col.2:8 NIV  

If a genuine steward appointed by Christ (Luke 12:42) becomes unfaithful, he will not be providing the proper food (fine fruit/the truth) at the proper time (when needed). Those eating from that leader's table, are not receiving the truth 
(Isa.28:7,8,15; 42:22; 49:24,25; Mark 3:27; Rev.20:2; Luke 10:19; Matt.16:18).
Why might such a steward, compromise to teach demonic lies, rather than the truths of Jesus?
Anointed ones have free will, and those still immature are not immune to being corrupted by worldly desire. 
They are warned to reject the enticements of Satan's world 
(Num.15:39;  1John 2:15-17; James 4:4; John 18:36).

Jesus said that the faithful would be required to walk the path he walked (1Pet.2:21;  1John2:6; Luke 22:28,29), 
   despite Satanic testing (Luke 22:31;  1Pet.5:8). 
The path of Jesus, started out with Satanic temptation (Luke 4:5,6; Matt.4:8,9,10). 
What did the Satanic test at Luke 4:5,6 consist of?
Satan offered Jesus worldly blessing and power, in exchange for subjection.
When the anointed follow in the footsteps of Jesus, they also are offered this enticement. 
The wicked steward, fails that test. 
He accepts the powers, riches, prominence, and authority offered by this world (Rev.18:3,7,11,12,13,14,15,16,17). But... they must also pay Satan's price. That one must become a servant of Satanic interests.... primary of which, is the enslavement of the saints who are under the guardianship of that wicked steward 
(Gal.4:1,2,3,8,9; Rom.6:16; Gal.1:10;  1Cor.7:23).

Even if such a pawn of Satan is unaware of his role in misleading God's elect; there will be times when that leader will knowingly compromise the truth, in favor of retaining his worldly position of prominence, authority, riches, and power (Mark 10:42,43,44,45;  1Pet.5:3;  2Cor.1:24). He will go so far as to "beat his fellow slaves" in order to prevent them from exposing the wicked slave's unfaithfulness (Luke 12:45; Isa.28:7,8).
We saw a clear example of this type of leadership, in the first century 
(John 11:47,48; 9:22; 8:13,23,37,40,43,47; Matt.23:2,4,5,6,7,25,28,30,31,32,34,35; Rev.18:24).

Such leaders turn away from God's protection and care, to garner the power of those outside God's spiritual nation (John 19:10,11,12,15; Jer.17:5). God considers this type of alliance, spiritual fornication (Eze.23:35; Isa.36:6) 

It is not as if the wicked steward is consciously aware that while teaching false doctrine to those in their charge, that they are releasing Satan's power to deceive. But when an anointed steward fails the test of worldly enticement and accepts the luxuries and power that only the world can afford them, there is a price to pay. Worldly position among false religious leaders, must be guarded and preserved in order to be retained. Misleading others always becomes necessary. By doing so, that compromising leader, unwittingly enters into a covenant with the Deceiver.
These precise events are depicted for us in prophecy, Bible history, and the book of Revelation...

Faithful anointed stewards/true prophets, are depicted as sources of light (John 5:35; Phil.2:15; Matt.5:15; Rev.1:20; Dan.12:3).
At Rev.8:10,11, we see one of them "fall" from that approved position (2Pet.3:17;  1Cor.10:12; Rev.2:5).
At Rev.9:1 we see what the king of the Abyss gives that fallen one, in exchange for that compromise Rev.9:11 NIV ; Isa.33:1 NIV 
It is a key, which represents the ability to open (or shut) a realm/authority/power (Isa.22:22).
The realm which the fallen star opens, is the abyss (Rev.9:2).
The deep, dark abyss represents Satan's power to deceive. 
Those who reside in that spiritual pit, are deceived and veiled from seeing God's light 
(2Cor.4:4; Isa.5:20; Luke 11:35;  1John 4:1;  2Cor.13:5; Matt.24:24,25). 

Every powerful lying sign and portent is made available to the fallen star/false prophet, Wormwood... along with her receiving the power of Satan's supportive beast, comprised of Gentiles (Rev.13:1,2,11,12,14,15; 16:13; 19:20; 17:3,15; 18:3,7,20,24; 19:2). In exchange, Wormwood opens the abyss, releasing Satan, which symbolizes his power to deceive the saints. That is symbolically depicted for us, as Satan's release from the abyss.

Hopefully you are able to perceive the answer to you question; "Why would anyone want to let Satan out of the abyss?". 
When a genuine anointed steward of Jesus Christ is willing to compromise truth in order to garner and maintain worldly power, that one unwittingly enters a covenant with Satan, and fails the temptation of Luke 4:5,6. It is not that they consciously want to release Satan's power to deceive those under their care. That is simply the consequence of their unfaithfulness.
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QUESTION 5. Who was responsible for that, and why?
As explained, 
a genuine anointed steward who compromises the truth of Christ in order to preserve their worldly power, 
is responsible for unleashing the power of Satanic deception onto those who follow that prophet.
There is much more to learn about, when considering all the surrounding prophecies about these events and identities. I do hope you will make good use of the search box, and use the contact box for anything you have difficulty finding.
Love in Christ,
Pearl

Thursday, September 2, 2021

Preaching During the Great Tribulation

Question received:
I've been reading more and more from your website.  It's a lot to take in, especially in my position.  I've just read your post "Are you sighing and groaning?" In your post, you say:
"So do Christians still have the same obligation to preach?  How would you even preach to a JW effectively?  Is everyone rightly disposed to hear this truth or is simply their "sighing and groaning" enough to warrant blessing?"
 My question is... what is my obligation exactly?  As a Jehovah's Witness, you are expected to preach "the truth."

My Reply:
Your questions touch upon so much Bible information. To be convinced of my brief reply, you will need to dig deeper, find, read, and digest many scriptures, and that will take time.
But for now, I will provide a brief reply to each of those questions, one at a time.
As you further study, all these pieces will fit into the overall perspective that you will be building with scripture.

"So do Christians still have the same obligation to preach?"

Yes. But if we accept the Bible's depiction of Christian preaching, it does not include the WT.
Faithful anointed prophets, are symbolized as stars, due to the divine light/truth they emit from God and Christ (Phil.2:15; Dan.12:3) during the darkness of symbolic night. If you read my previous reply to you at the blog, you know that Satan was able to cast down a symbolic third of those stars (Rev.12:4; Zech.13:9), which is connected to the sun, moon, and stars, going dark, immediately after the great tribulation is unleashed (Matt.24:29).
----[If you want to know about the meaning of those heavenly symbols: (https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/09/sun-moon-and-stars.html)]
----[If you want more info. on the stars being cast down: (https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2017/07/who-are-fallen-stars-of-rev124.html)]
----[If you want to know more about the forces of the great tribulation: (https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-greatest-tribulation-why.html)]

Once you understand the meaning of stars, then it is good to look at Rev.1:20 and Matt.5:15.
Hopefully from those two verses, you can discern that the stars are messengers (that's the meaning of the Greek:angels*), sent to each of Christ's congregations, where they bring light from Christ, to them. They are the prophets, sent to God's people. Note that in Rev.1:20, the star is the light, and the lampstands are the congregations.
Matt.5:15 tells us, that the light Jesus sends to his congregation, is not to be hidden. He says that the light needs to be placed up atop it's lampstand, so that all in the household, can see/access that light. 
According to the interpretation of "lampstand", given to us at Rev.1:20; that means that the congregation is to support and symbolically lift up, the light the prophet has brought to them from Christ. 
The way by which a congregation supports the light of a prophet, is to uphold and spread their message of light, so that it reaches far and wide. As the verse before reads (Matt.5:14), "You are the light of the world. A city that is set on a hill cannot be hidden."

There at Matt.5:14, Jesus brings in 2 other symbols to describe this same truth. The "city" is a representative of New Jerusalem (star). The "hill" is the supportive congregation (lampstand). That symbolism is also referred to at Rev.17:9, as it refers to the false prophets (mountains/hills/(same Greek word)/heads of the beast) under the mother covenant of death, and her congregations.

I do not want you to get your answers from me, but rather, from the scriptures. So please derive your conclusion, based upon the scriptures I have cited. From them, I hope you have discerned that Christ's congregations, are expected to support the light of the prophets he sends to them.

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"How would you even preach to a JW effectively?"

Jesus did not speak of the final harvest harvest, as being accomplished by means of effectiveness.
Not all are sighing and groaning (Jer.5:31), and as a result, they will be blind (Matt.13:10-12,13-16).
Jesus did describe the final gathering of those granted spiritual sight (John 12:32; 6:44; Matt.24:31) Isa.58:1 (Rev.14:6-7; 10:7), 
and by what means they would be drawn to the opening of the scrolls/marriage feast/spiritual food. 
He described this, as eagles... being gathered to those who were slain 
(Luke 17:30-33,34-36; Luke 17:37 NKJV Rev.11:7; 12:11; Mark 8:35; John 16:2)
He also symbolized it, as a fleeing to the "mountains/hills" (same Greek word)  (Matt.24:15-16; Eze.36:8).
Those hills/mountains, (as I said before) are the congregations under a prophet. Those hills can either be of true prophets who are hated, cast off, and slain (Matt.5:11-12; Mark13:13; John 16:2); or false prophets, who are rich, conceited, adored, and powerful 
(Rev.17:9; 3:17; Matt.5:20; Luke 12:1; Matt.23:2,4,6-7,12,25,28-32,34-35; Rev.18:24; 6:10; 19:2

  In the time of the End, God's servants are sent out to invite "those leaving the city" to the marriage feast/living waters (Matt.22:8-10; Rev.22:17) (this further explains how End-time Christians are to preach).


The central issue facing those who desire to live with godly devotion and obey His command to preach ( 2Tim.4:2; 1Tim.4:16; 1Cor.9:16; Eph.4:25) ...is, to first determine which slaves are working faithfully for their Master, Christ (Luke 12:42). Obviously, it would be crucial to support true prophets... not false ones. 
We would need to make that determination, Not based upon human declaration (Matt.24:23-25; Luke 17:23; 12:42)**, but based upon the criteria, Jesus gave us (Matt.24:9,13; Rom.6:5), which includes much that is not mentioned here, but is available at the blog.
** ["Messiah"(Hebrew)/"Christ"(Greek) means "anointed". It does not refer to Jesus only, but to all anointed. So when we read at Matt.24:24 that there will be false Christs and Messiahs, it is referring to false anointed/false faithful slaves. -2Cor.11:12-15]
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"Is everyone rightly disposed to hear this truth or is simply their "sighing and groaning" enough to warrant blessing?"

Well as already stated, those who are marked as slaves to the Laws of the Beasts of Revelation (Rev.13:1,11,16) instead of the Laws of God (Deut.11:18), are unable to recognize ("catch sight") of the abomination of desolation/disgusting thing, or feel distressed over it. 
Not all are disposed to listen to Bible truth, simply because, not all love the light (John 3:19-21;- 2Thess.2:9-12)

Is more than sighing and groaning required, in order to receive divine blessing?
Those distressed over "the *disgusting things being done in the midst of the city" *
...will likely choose to leave "Jerusalem". But remember, that those leaving the city, are the ones invited to the marriage feast (Matt.22:8-9) and the waters of life (Rev.22:17). 
The blessing of life is found in those waters/provisions, for those who ingest them in and accept their guidance. That water of life is the river, found at Rev.22:1-2, and there we see depicted the trees of life which absorb that water, and then produce fruit and leaves that heal the nations. That healing and blessing comes to those that accept and eat that fruit. 

Being upset about, and leaving the corruption behind, is not enough to receive the blessing of life. (https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2016/01/is-leaving-city-enough.html)
Accepting the guidance from a tree of life (true and faithful prophet), and thereby receiving a blessing and reward, is mentioned at Matt.10:41-42.
There we read;
"41 Anyone who receives a prophet because he is a prophetwill receive a prophet’s reward. And anyone who welcomes a righteous person because he’s righteous, will receive a righteous person’s reward."
There we learn that we must "receive" a prophet, because we recognize that they are a true prophet.
Please read the previous verse in that context > Matt.10:40 NKJV , ...and John 13:20.
What does it mean to "receive"? 

Matt.10:14 NKJV shows us what it means to "receive" the prophet that Jesus sends, because we recognize them.
As you can see there, it means to receive/accept their words, which is the same as eating their fruit, and drinking the water of life that they offer.
If we desire the blessing due the faithful prophets, we must accept their message. 
It is not enough to sigh and groan. 
It is not enough to leave behind the corruption of unfaithful Jerusalem.
If we want the blessing of life, we must take in living water. (Rev.22:17)
We must flee, to the mountains (Matt.24:16; Eze.36:8)

"And the Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And let him who hears say, “Come!” And let him who thirsts come. Whoever desires, let him take the water of life freely." (Rev.22:17)

"1 Ho! Everyone who thirsts,
Come to the waters;
And you who have no money,
Come, buy and eat.
Yes, come, buy wine and milk
Without money and without price.
2 Why do you spend money for what is not bread,
And your wages for what does not satisfy?
Listen carefully to Me, and eat what is good,
And let your soul delight itself in abundance.
Incline your ear, and come to Me.
Hear, and your soul shall live" (Isa.55)

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Love in Christ,
Pearl

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