Satan's Fall

A QUESTION I received: Is Satan hurled to earth with his angels (unfaithful anointed) Rev 12:9, when the faithful anointed wake up & witness to the truth they receive from Christ, which causes Satans eventual defeat? Rev 12:11; REV 20:10

- - - - - - -

MY REPLY:

Please be patient as the supporting information to the answer you seek, is first provided. Please read the scriptures as you come to them. I will arrange my reply, into Three Parts.

PART ONE

It is important to remember once again, that Revelation is presented in symbolism. The name, "Revelation" (Greek: apokalupsis), literally means, "unveiling"... to "uncover".

By means of this "scroll", the final scene of Satan's world, and the advent of God's Kingdom, is symbolically depicted. When the time arrives for all it's symbols to be deciphered and fulfilled, it's previously "sealed" (hidden) information, will be "unveiled"/disclosed (2Pet.3:10; Luke 8:17)

(Dan.8:26; 9:24; 12:4,9; Rev.10:4) (Rev.22:10,6,16-17; 10:7-8; 1:1-2; 11:3; 20:12)

(http://pearl-newscrolls.blogspot.com/).

The scroll of "Revelation" will be "opened", made understandable and available, for any who wishes to partake of it, at the "marriage feast" (Rev.21:6; 22:7,17; 19:9). Those "leaving the 'city' " and who discern the "disgusting thing" (Mark 13:14), will be invited to it (Matt.22:9,10)

[The "marriage feast", is also the "slain"

(Luke 17:34,35,36,37; Rev.12:11; 11:3,7)

and the "mountains"

(Matt.24:15,16; Eze.36:8; Luke 21:21,22; Rev.18:4),

...depending upon which illustration/parable,

Jesus was using to describe these events.]

(http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2016/01/is-leaving-city-enough.html)

(http://eagle-or-vulture-obadiah.blogspot.com/)

Returning to Rev.12:9-11...

The "oikoumenEn" (that has been translated, as "the whole world"/"earth"/"inhabited earth"), which Satan is said to be wholly deceiving and causing to "stray", is God's "dwelling"/habitation (as "oikoumenEn" is used and referred to, at Col.1:19; 2:9; John 14:23; 1Cor.3:16; 6:19).

(http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014/07/world-earth-home.html)

In the time of the end, God's "temple"/"habitation"/"dwelling", is being hijacked through deception, by trespassers (Mark 13:14) ..."Gentiles", who are trampling it into subjection, to them (Rev.11:2; 13:7; 2Thess.2:4; Dan.8:11,13; 9:26; 11:31,36; Matt.24:15,6,21; Dan.12:1; Mark 13:13; Luke 21:24; Rev.2:9; 13:10,7; Luke 19:43; 21:20; Rev.20:9)... causing, the "great tribulation", which as stated, is being caused by the "abomination" (Gentiles/"man of lawlessness"/Wild sea-Beast/counterfeit priests/Idol Rev.13:7,8) of "desolation" (abasement/trampling/loss of power, authority, and service to God), to God's "holy place" (holy ones/Temple/city, and body of Christ).

(http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-greatest-tribulation-why.html)

(http://pearl-disgustingthing.blogspot.com/)

It tells us (at Rev.12:9), that Satan and his messengers, are "cast into the land" (Greek: "gen"). This "land"/earth, is not the same word as God's "dwelling" ("oikoumenEn"), (which "dwelling", Satan is causing to go astray/misleading), --although both Greek words have been commonly mistranslated, as "world" or "earth".
Because translators have not relayed the literal meaning of the original Greek, nor shown the distinction between these two words (due to their often translating them into one word and meaning), ...confusion about the meaning of verse 9 has resulted, as well as all the truths, which clarity rests upon one's understanding of this verse.

To clarify the significance of this verse; the Bible is telling us that it is God's entire dwelling/habitation of His spirit ("oikoumenEn"), that is being mislead by Satan... but it is to another realm ("gen"), that Satan and his angels, are cast down, to.

So then, to where is Satan, cast down?

The "earth" ("gen"), is said to be God's footstool (Acts 7:49; Isa.66:1).

If we read Luke 20:43; Ps.110:1; and Acts 2:35, we see that a "footstool", refers to a conquered enemy.

The Faithful anointed conquerors, also attain a "footstool" (Rom.16:20; Rev.3:9). Those Faithful attain a citizenship in heaven... and no longer belong to "gen"/earth (Heb.12:22-23; Luke 10:20; Eph.2:6).

John 1:51; Col.3:23-24
(http://jacobsladder-obadiah.blogspot.com/)
(http://pearl-holycity.blogspot.com/)

To be "hurled to the earth", is certainly to lose out on a heavenly dominion (Rev.8:10; 2:5)... but also,

to be of the "earth" ("gen"), is to be subjugated... subdued and conquered (as a footstool), by God and His faithful (1John 5:4).

During the Great Tribulation, conditions are reversed.
Those with the "heavenly calling" have been overcome, made powerless, trampled, and taken captive. Can you perceive how a total subjugation of Christ's Body on earth, would cause Jesus kingship and rule over his then-present kings, to conclude? (Dan.8:11,12,24,25; 11:22,31; Rev.20:7,8; 12:17). The conclusion of Christ's "thousand year" kingdom, is associated with Satan's release from the abyss (Rev.20:7), the start of the great tribulation, and the conquering of the holy ones.

But if we peer even deeper into this symbolism...

God's throne is said to be, "in 'heaven' " (not earth/"gen") (Acts 7:49).

God rules through Christ (Eph.1:22)
inside the hearts/bodies, of the living stones (1Pet.2:5)
of his dwelling/Temple (1Cor.6:19; Eph.2:22; Gal.5:25,16; Col.3:17,15)
Those who have Christ as their ruler and "head" (Rev.19:16,12; 1:5; 5:10)(Col.1:18; 1Cor.12:27),
are, of "heaven" (Phil.3:20; 2:15; Eph.2:6; Heb.12:22,23; Rom.8:9)(Rev.14:1; Ps.110:2)(Isa.52:7; Ps.146:10; Isa.24:23; Heb.12:22; Acts 7:49,50; Eph.2:10). (Ps.103:18,19,20)

When we are being deceived by Satan, we are not yet of heaven. Satan holds a power over us, and if deceived by him, he becomes our master and king, rather than Christ. Satan's agents can then, trample us (Matt.5:13; Dan.7:21,25; Rev.12:17; 13:1,7; 11:2; Luke 21:24; Col.2:8; 2Tim.2:26; Rev.13:10; 1Tim.4:1; Rev.16:13,14,15,16; 20:7,8; 12:9). << This "captivity" befalls the entirety of God's "dwelling"/Temple, during the great tribulation (Rev.13:7; 11:2; Eze.22:30)... until "Michael", "stands up" (Dan.12:1; Rev.12:7; 20:7,8,9) and empowers his angelic messengers and "two witnesses" (his "arm") (Isa.63:5; Rev.11:3,5; Jer.5:14; Matt.10:20; John 12:38; Isa.52:10; Rev.22:17; 19:9; 22:6) to "stand in the gap" ...to uphold and restore the "wall" of truth, which defends God's "city"

(Isa.58:12; 61:3,4; 59:20; Nahum 2:2; Eze.39:24,25; Isa.49:6,7; Rom.11:26,27; Joel 2:32; Mal.3:1,2; Luke 1:76; Matt.17:11; Rev.22:16; 10:7; Zech.3:9; 4:10,14; Rev.11:4).

The royal dominion of Christ over his anointed congregation (Eph.1:22; Col.1:18), must be re-instated until all the enemies of truth, are made his "footstool" (1Cor.15:25; Ps.110:1,2,3).

Can you now see, how "being cast out of 'heaven' " ("heaven", symbolizing the hearts of those of heaven, over whom God and Christ gain rulership), can apply to Satan's influence being expelled and conquered, from within the "heavenly" hearts of those who act with faithful decisiveness?

(Rev.3:21; 1John 2:14; Rev.2:26; Matt.19:28; 25:21; 2Tim.2:12; James 4:7; Rev.12:10,11)

(1Cor.15:49; 2Cor.3:18; Ps.84:7; John 17:22; 1:14; Rom.8:29; 1Cor.13:12,9; Rev.10:7; John 16:13; Rev.22:6; Mal.3:1; Rev.10:1; Gen.9:13).

Can you see how the only realm left for Satan afterward, is for Satan to dominate and manipulate, the hearts of those still of "earth"/("gen")?

Any anointed one who chooses Satanic deception after the truth comes to light [and the judgment scrolls have been "opened" (Rev.20:12; Luke 24:45; Rev.3:7; Matt.13:11)], would also be eternally consigned to an "earthly"/"footstool status (because, through the faithful actions of God's victorious slaves, those who take a contrary course by comparison, are condemned -Prov.14:33,34,35)

[Heb.11:7 (Luke 17:26,30); 1Cor.6:3; Rev.12:7; 19:11,14; 17:14].

PART TWO

The contextual verses help us. I will put them (verses 7-11)...

7 Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. 8 But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. 9 The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world (dwelling) astray. He was hurled to the earth (land/"gen"), and his angels with him. 10 Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: “Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Messiah. For the accuser of our brothers and sisters, who accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down. 11  They triumphed over him by the blood of the Lamb  and by the word of their testimony, they did not love their lives so much as to shrink from death."

There are key words above, that help to answer your question.

First, the faithful had to oppose Satan (verse 7). This is significant. For us, it meant questioning WT's false doctrine...
[and the expectation of it's leaders, that we must worship
(under threat of "death" -Dan.3:6; Rev.9:2; John 16:2)
the Image of the organization, as divine/"spirit-directed"
-Rev.13:11,14,15,7,8),
...finally refusing to accept and tolerate it's errors, and then standing up to oppose and expose them

(Rev.2:20,2; 12:10,11; 6:9,10,11; 11:3,7; 14:13; Mark 8:35; 13:13; Eph.5:11).

In that sense, Satan proves to be "not strong enough"

(Rev.12:8; 2Cor.2:11; Luke 10:18,19,20). His lying machinations and expert twisting of the truth, can no longer work effectively through Satan's agents/"angels" (Rev.16:13; 2Thess.2:9,10,11,12)... to suppress those who are willing (like Christ -Rom.6:5; 2Cor.5:15), to die for God's truth... thereby becoming God's messengers/"angels".
(http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2016/01/symbolic-death-by-means-of-world.html)

Those "Called and Chosen", have been battling against Satanic deception (2Cor.10:3,4,5; Eph.6:12; 2Tim.4:7) (Micah 4:2; Ps.110:2; Rev.2:27), sacrificing their lives for the sake of truth (Rom.6:5; Rev.6:11; Mark 8:35), and attaining a seal as God's faithful slaves and warriors (Deut.11:18; Rev.14:1), since the first century (Luke 21:32; Ps.112:2).

While under the "thousand year" reign of Christ (previous to the time of the End), each sealed one among those "144000", has conquered Satan during Christ's "thousand years", and during their own lifetime.

But Satan was not fully conquered during that time. He was still awaiting his release from the Abyss, when he would "wage war" with the "remaining ones" of the woman's/(covenant's) seed.

(http://pearl-thewoman.blogspot.com/)
When faced with the Great Tribulation, how would that "remnant" respond?
(http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014/07/hide-or-herald.html)

It is not until the conclusion of Armageddon, that the harvest of all faithful anointed and their "children", is concluded... the "rest of the dead", come to life... the in-gathering of the faithful "wheat" is completed... God's Temple is completed... and Satan's dominion over the new creation, is fully removed, forever.

(Rev.20:5; 14:14,15,16,17,18,19; 7:9,13,14,17; 22:17; 1Cor.15:26).

This occurs, when the last of God's priests and temple stones...

(Rev.7:14,15; 1Pet.2:5,9,10; Eph.2:20,21,22)

...through personal victory,
is put in it's place

(Zech.4:7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14; Rev.11:4; Rev.12:10,11).

PART THREE

Because the last of courageous faithful, overcome the power of Satan's dark abyss (by the saving call of Christ, "knocking at the door" -Rev.3:20; John 10:27,4,16; Rev.7:17; Isa.42:16; Matt.25:6; Heb.13:13); Satan "looses his place in heaven"...

or, within the hearts of those who are then, OF heaven.

Once a priest wakes up and acts in faithfulness...

two things happen.

1.

The entirety of God's condemnation of his entire nation (Eze.22:30), is removed (Jer.5:1; Zech.3:9; Obadiah 1:17,18; Joel 2:32). Only those unresponsive to the seventh trumpet, who cling to the lie (Isa.28:15,18; 2Thess.2:10,11,12), will be abandoned, to the lie.

2. The contrasting wicked, are thereby sealed as condemned (Heb.11:7; 1Cor.6:3), and become of earth ("gen"), or, a "footstool" (conquered enemy).

Satan's "angels" are thereby confined to, and "hurled to, the earth".

Consequentially, the only throne left for Satan, is over those conquered/of "earth"("gen")... those who choose to believe and teach demonic deception. So Satan's dominion also, is constrained to the "earth"/"gen"... as one conquered by the faithful, never again to influence those of "heaven", again.
Since the dominion over which Satan is again limited to, is one of darkness-- divorced from the light and life from God; he is symbolically once again consigned to the abyss.
(http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2016/05/what-is-sheol-hell-hades.html)
(http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2017/03/when-was-satan-and-demons-put-in-abyss.html)
For those who overcome the power of Satan's abyss of deception and death, those powers, are destroyed by truth (Rev.20:14; Jer.23:29; 2Pet.3:7,10,11,12)

When those things are accomplished, it can rightly be proclaimed... "Now have come the salvation and the power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Messiah".

In what sense, have the salvation, power, and kingdom of God been manifested, as well as the authority of Christ?

All four conditions, occur in the heart of the Victors.

This victory for God within the heart of His sealed servants,

is a huge change from what conditions were, while under the dark dominion of Satan, his Beast, and the false prophet (Col.1:13; 1Pet.2:9; Eph.5:11) which followed Satan's release from the abyss.

"The accuser... has been hurled down" (Rev.12:10 b).

On what basis was Satan previously able to "accuse" the unsealed anointed brothers and sisters of Christ... while maintaining his station in "heaven"?

Was it not through their being trampled into subjection, under an organizational idol, over whom Satan was king?

(Rev.9:2,3,4,11; 13:4,7,8)
(http://pearl-anillustration.blogspot.com/)
(http://pearl-satansthrone.blogspot.com/)
(http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2016/11/who-is-destroyer.html)

During that time, Satan kept his hold over the entire present sanctuary and Temple of God, including a victory over it's "messiah" ("the heavens") (Dan.9:26 A).

But see in Rev.12:10 b, that Satan's expulsion from heaven, ceases his ability to accuse.

Why?

Rev.12:11 tells us...

"By the word of their testimony" to truth, even when facing death, they thereby conquer Satan.

How can Satan continue to accuse those who abandon Satan's greatest lie about an Idol, stop their service to it, and speak up for truth no matter what the intimidation or cost? (Rev.16:14; 17:14; 19:11,14,8; 6:9,10,11)

How can Satan continue to be ruler of such a heart?

Satan is not strong enough to retain his hold on such ones,

but is "hurled down", to rule among those condemned.

These End-Time events are pivotal and of lasting consequence.

They cause the harvest to conclude, because Satan's release from the abyss has forced the issue...

Will each one, love the lie;

or, will they love the truth enough to face Satan, his demons, and all his powerful army and allies... in the greatest spiritual Battle of all time?

Certainly such a choice is facing every anointed one, today,

and certainly, each one of them is making their distinct choice

(Mal.3:18; Luke 10:16)(Matt.17:3; Mal.4:5,6; Acts 3:22,23; Rev.11:3,5) (Matt.17:3; Rev.11:4).

In conclusion,

Satan is "cast down" on an individual basis, every time a "called, chosen and faithful" one, is sealed.

But, in the time of the end;

there is a final culmination and conclusion to Satan's "fall", when the last of God's called and chosen, prove faithful...

despite the greatest test ever devised by the Adversary.

Satan's release from the abyss, and the test and war to follow,

concludes the harvest of "wheat" and "weeds" as well as "the vine of the earth",

and ushers in the Eternal Kingdom of God.

-  -  -  -  -  -  -

If this reply did not fully satisfy your need, please make full use of the search box. But if that also proves deficient, please contact me by using the contact form in the right-side column.

LINK TO DIRECTORY OF ARTICLES

LINK TO MAIN HOME-PAGE
LINK TO FORUM

When were Satan and the demons, put in the abyss?

Back in the first century, the demons spoke of "the appointed time" for their being sent there to be "tormented/tortured/imprisoned" (Matt.8:29). From this we can at least conclude, that they were not there, yet. 
But Jesus referred to the power of the demons being overcome and usurped by his newborn congregation, at Luke 10:17-19...
"17 The seventy-two returned with joy and said, “Lord, even the demons submit to us in Your name.” 18 So He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 See, I have given you authority to tread on snakes and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy. Nothing will harm you."
Satan's freedom to deceive the totality of mankind, had now, finally been partially restricted. Remember that the entire book of Revelation is symbolic, as are it's allegorical descriptions. What we see at Luke 10:17-19, is a description of Satan's "abyssing"... restricted from using the power of his dark "abyss" of deception, over those being rescued and brought into the light (1Pet. 2:9; Col.1:13;  1Thess. 5:4-8).
But to demonstrate that he had the power to do this while he was on earth,
Jesus also provided a visible, physical demonstration of this accomplishment. Try to consider the spiritual and symbolic meaning of this account...
We find it, at Mark 5:7-13, as follows;
"7 He shouted at the top of his voice (the demon), “What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? In God’s name don’t torture me!” 8 For Jesus had said to him, “Come out of this man, you impure spirit!”
9 Then Jesus asked him, “What is your name?”
“My name is Legion,” he replied, “for we are many.” 10 And he begged Jesus again and again not to send them out of the area.
11 A large herd of pigs was feeding on the nearby hillside. 12 The demons begged Jesus, “Send us among the pigs; allow us to go into them.” (Matt.7:6) 13 He gave them permission, and the impure spirits came out and went into the pigs. The herd, about two thousand in number, rushed down the steep bank into the sea and were drowned."

Do you know that the "sea" is a symbol for the abyss? (earth-swallows-satans-river) (Leviathan)
To be "drown" in those "waters" of blind, dark confusion, is to be made powerless in deceptive strategy over those in the light (John 1:4-5). (Sheol-Hades)

If Jesus demonstrated that he had the power to "drown" demons, and cast them out of people, as well as cast them "out of the area" (Mark 5:10)... he then had the power, to abyss them. 

Eph.4:9; Rev.20:1-2; Mark 3:23,27;  1John 3:8; Heb.2:14; John 6:51; Phil.2:7-8

The Abyss is occupied by those who are conscious, but considered spiritually dead (Eph.2:1,5; Col.2:13). Christ was in the Abyss, after his death (Rom.10:7) in order to preach to it's occupants (1Pet. 3:19-20; Jude 1:6) (Isa.49:9; 42:7).   

It is therefore, scripturally evident, that after Jesus' death--

the demons were, abyssed.

Yet, it is important to recognize, that all those not under the covenant mother of light and life... are still under the mother covenant of darkness and death (Babylon the Great), 

and still left without rescue from the dominion of darkness, Hades. (2Cor. 4:4)
All humankind are born under that covenant of spiritual "confusion" and death, due to Adam and Eve (Rom.5:12) and depend upon God's intervention (1Cor. 15:21-22; Isa.60:2; Col.1:13;  1Pet. 2:9;  2Cor. 4:6). All humankind (with the exception of God's "Temple" and those who worship there), ...are now, still in the abyss. 
My point, is that Satan and the demons "abyssing", is only toward those set free from the abyss. Those of humankind, still ruled by the darkness, are not free of Satan's influence. He and the demons rule the abyss, and all those still spiritually dead, within it.
This is why we do not see Satan's influence, removed from mankind in general.
This is also why Satan's release from the abyss is only relevant in it's effect on God's people and Temple, and why we can reason that Revelation is about God's dwelling, people, and Temple ...and not the world at large (when speaking of Satan's release from the abyss, and it's catastrophic consequences).
After his release, he is able to cause his agents of the abyss, to trample God's Temple down into powerlessness (during the Great Tribulation) (LINK)
Satan must then be overcome again, by the remnant.

LINK TO DIRECTORY OF ARTICLES

LINK TO MAIN HOME-PAGE
LINK TO FORUM

What is "thousand years"?

The "thousand years" is a symbol,
for how God blesses the "kingship" (divine authority and power)
 of each servant (Isa.60:22). 
Christ is the foremost king and servant of God. He is Lord of the Sabbath "Day" (Matt.12:8;  2Pet.3:8). That "Day" of Christ's "thousand year" growth of his kingdom (Matt.13:31-32; Dan.2:34-35; John 16:33), started in the first century. 
Jesus said for this he was born and came into the "earth"... "to bear witness to the truth." That was the power of his "kingdom" (John 18:37). 
Stephen saw Jesus at God's right hand, as Jesus himself claimed to be (Acts 7:56; Luke 22:69). The Bible tells us why he becomes God's "right hand" (Ps.110:1; Acts 2:35-36)... 
to subdue all the enemies of truth. 
Do we have proof, that this sitting at God's right hand, is his actual ruling in his thousand year kingdom? 
Yes. 
Please examine carefully, 1Cor.15:25: "For ***he must reign until***  he has put all his enemies under his feet.". 
-- Do you see from this last scripture, that Jesus is reigning while his enemies are being subdued? 
-- But the Bible tells us of a time, when Jesus is no longer subduing his enemies (The Great Tribulation), because his Temple is being "trampled by Gentiles", 
the heavenly illuminaries "sun", "moon", and "stars" are darkened, and "the power of the holy ones is brought to nothing" 
(Dan.12:7; 7:25; 8:13; 11:16,22,31-32,33-34,35-36,37;  2Thess.2:4; Rev.11:2; 13:7,10; Luke 21:24) 
All this was prophesied to occur, due to Satan's release from the abyss, the outpouring of demonic spirits, lying signs, and wonders; the fall of "wormwood" (Rev.8:10-11; 9:1; Isa.14:12-13; Rev.2:5;  2Pet.3:17), and her releasing the locust-scorpion army from the abyss (Rev.9:2-3; Joel 2:2; Jer.13:16). (LINK)
That is the "hour" in which Michael must stand up for his people (Dan.12:1; Rev.12:7) to save the remnant (the Great Crowd), and bring the demonic powers of 
the man-of-lawlessness (the Wild Beast), 
and the false prophet (last Harlot) 
and Satan himself, 
to nothing (2Thess.2:8; Rev.20:9-10; Dan.8:24-25). 
-------- Yes, the thousand years have come and gone. 
We are in the Great Tribulation and Armageddon since Satan's release (Rev.20:7,8; 16:13,14,15,16;  1Tim.4:1) (LINK - 666) (LINK-mark-of-beast)
and his giving the key to the abyss, to the fallen star, wormwood (Rev.8:10-11; 9:1,2,3,11) (LINK). 
-- There is more information about this...
(http://pearl-generation.blogspot.com/)
(http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/search?q=thousand+years)

LINK TO DIRECTORY OF ARTICLES

LINK TO MAIN HOME-PAGE
LINK TO FORUM

Spreading Tribulation / Expelled Anointed -- Tainted or Tested?

What follows is my partial response to a letter, which accurately expressed and represented the tribulation now being experienced, by many.

-  -  -  -  -  -  -

My response:

I am so very glad that you contacted me. Please read the scriptures as you come to them. The central body of learning which I offer you, is found within them.

Regarding the links, I hope you will return to them in a second reading, to go into more depth about my statements and cited scriptures.

I will go right to one comment you made, because if I don't address it first, all that follows may not have value to you.

You said;

"I wanted to ask is this; since you are  
in contact with other anointed Christians, are all of your anointed  
associates a product of the Watch Tower Society? That is, are there not  others, outside of the Society, that have been called? 

Since I view many of  the new and current views of the Society to be an apostatizing, I would  tend to question the provenance of all anointed issuing forth from that  source."

The best way to address your concerns about anointed former members of the "WT", is to give you some facts for your own consideration...

Satan has demanded to "sift" each Chosen one 
(Luke 22:31;  1Pet.4:12; James 5:10-11; Job 1:8,12; John 15:20; Rev.12:10;  1John 2:14) 
by using his "world" (1John 5:19; John 15:18) of the Jewish system (John 8:22-23), against them...

     [to see the identity of that "world"/"system" of the scriptures that 

      does the persecuting , (See: Greek- system/arrangement/adornment):

      See these (world-earth-home) (Christian-neutrality) (symbolic-death)], 

The Chosen must be subjected to the same tests and trials which Jesus endured. They accomplish this by following closely, the exact pattern of his example, symbolized by his "path"...

(John 16:28; 14:28,6,4; Luke 9:23; Rev.14:4 B; Heb.13:13;

  2Cor.1:5; Phil.3:10; Rom.6:5;  1Pet.2:21), 

...up to the capacity which each one is able to endure them (1Cor.10:13). 
If they take the same full course of Christ, they can reach the Father (John 14:6; Matt.11:27; 18:10; Eph.2:6; Rom.8:9; Matt.5:8).

   Traversing the full course of Christs example, means that like Christ, the Kingdom candidates must start out in subjection to the influential power of the leaders of God's genuine people/the "world"

(Gal.4:4; John 1:11; Matt.15:24;  1John 4:9; John 1:12,10; 8:23), 

and faithfully conquer their hatred and opposition, as Christ did 

(John 16:33; 14:30;  1John 2:14-15; John 8:40; Mark 9:31; John 19:6-7; 15:18; Matt.24:9; John 16:2; Mark 13:13).

A glaring contrast appears, between the genuine path presented by Christ, when compared to the counterfeit "Peace and security" and "spiritual paradise" that is offered to anointed, by the "WT" (1Cor.4:2,8-13; Rev.3:17-18). Accepting that false safe harbor, brings them under the "operation of error" -2Thess.2:9-12; Col.2:8; Rev.13:10; Luke 21:24 (operation-of-error)]. The flimsy and vain protection they offer (Rev.6:15-16) is a lie... a snare, sourced with Satan 

(Matt.16:21-23; Luke 12:19-20;  2Thess.2:9-11;  1Thess.5:3-4, 6;  1Pet.5:8) 
(Rev.16:13-15;  1Tim.4:1) (when-satans-short-time) (earth-swallows-satans-river). This demonic delusion is designed to lull Gods Chosen into spiritual sleep, and prevent them from ever completing their gauntlet to faithfulness (peace-security-wrong) against that "safe harbor"/lie/apostate nation of God 

(Eze.13:10-14; Jer.23:16-17; 8:11; 6:13-15; Rev.16:21; Ps.18:13; 147:17;  1Thess.5:3) 

(Eph.5:6,11;  2Pet.3:10; Jer.13:26; Rev.17:16-17; Nahum 3:5; Jer.51:25; Rev.8:8; Zech.4:7) (YHVH-genuine-mountain) 

(Rev.11:3,5; Jer.5:14; Hosea 6:5; Rev.16:8; Jer.23:29; Matt.10:20)

Satan's snare is camouflaged by a counterfeit Mount Zion (Rev.14:1) (YHVH-genuine-mountain). They claim that their "mountain-like organization" (Zech.4:7; Jer.51:25; Rev.8:8), is the fulfillment of Isa.2:1-2 ... even though the next verse reads (Isa.2:3); "The law will go out from Zion, the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.". Although they claim that the "governing body" are representatives of Zion; they also claim that those men are fallible. To ascribe fallibility and a lack of spirit-inspiration to Mount Zion (and, "the word of the Lord"), is blasphemy.
Additionally, the Organization's  heirarchy of "overseers" made up of spiritual Gentiles (Rom.2:28-29) (jew-gentile), is an impersonation of the spirit-directed Body of Christ (Rev.13:15) (John 20:22,21) (abomination) (mark-beast)... both due to be revealed and exposed in the time of the end (Isa.28:17; Nahum 3:5;  2Thess.2:8).

Naturally, one could not complete the course of Christ, unless they were surrounded by the same circumstances and challenges, and offered the same "path". 

  I submit to you on the basis of the collective experiences of all present and sober anointed ones, that the "WT" is the only place they can come under the dominion of apostate religious leaders (fallen-star) (1914?), who authentically lead, represent, and are, "God's chosen people" (Isa.43:21;  1Pet.2:9-10) (Luke 12:42,45-48), such as those who persecuted Christ (Matt.15:24; 20:18-19; John 19:11; 1:11). 

    The various erroneous doctrines sourced in "Christendom" cannot successfully subvert and take captive (Col.2:8), those who have been anointed by God's spirit (1John 2:20,27). Only the "WT" has succeeded in misleading (Matt.24:24-25; Luke 21:24; Rev.13:10,7) and "killing" them (Rev.6:11; 11:7) (symbolic-death), and prophecy tells us why, and how (trample-how?) (what-1914) (when-satans-short-ime).

Therefore, those anointed who are waking up from the "WT",

(Mark 13:34; John 10:2-4; Isa.42:16; 49:9) (2Cor.6:17; Rev.18:4; Matt.24:15-16)

should not so much be viewed as tainted, but rather, as being tested (1Cor.3:12-15) and refined (Zech.13:9; Mal.3:1-3).

    Yet I will tell you, that when I was anointed by God through Christ, it was just previous to my first contact by the "WT". I was not a "JW" at the time of my anointing. It has been made clear to me by Christ, that the immediate contact by, and joining the Organization which ensued after my anointing, was my initiation into my gauntlet of testing in the pattern of Christ.

    We are clearly told that God's genuine priesthood in the time of the end, require refining from defilement/wormwood 

(Mal.3:1-3, Eze.22:30; Zech.3:1,3-4,8; Rev.3:17-18; 13:7; Dan.8:11-13; 11:36;  2Thess.2:4; Mark 13:14) (trample-how) (7-spirits-scroll-distinction) 

(Rev.10:10; 8:10-11; Jer.23:15) (bitter-scroll) (fallen-star) (search-fallen-star)

That would not be necessary, if they were not coming from a place of spiritual and doctrinal defilement (Rev.2:20) (jezebel).

Having addressed your question about the authenticity of anointed who are now regarded as "apostates" from the "WT", 

(Mark 13:13; John 16:2; Matt.25:6; Heb.13:13; Rev.11:3,7-10; Luke 17:33,37)

and their reliability as trustworthy priests (Mal.2:7)... 

 ...It cannot be taken for granted (1John 4:1;  1Tim.4:1; Rev.16:13-16), that all ex-"JW" chosen ones are sources of "the proper food at the proper time" (Luke 12:42). Scripture exhorts and equips us, to discern this on an individual basis, determined through what is offered (Matt.7:20; Luke 6:43,45) (fine-trees).

Of the number of anointed who have obeyed Christ (Matt.24:16; Rev.18:4), not all are being fully refined, nor offering "the proper food at the proper time". Yet a few, are.

I hope you have at least determined that a period of unfaithful ignorance, is not equivalent to permanent uselessness 

(Zech.13:9; Rom.9:27-28; Isa.65:8; Jer.3:21-22; Isa.22:12; Rev.11:3).

With this in mind, I will respond as best as I am able to various points you raise in your letter, and if there is one that I neglect, please let me know. 

Because of my responding before to others who have written to me, there will be some points for which I have and will, provide a link. The link will contain deeper and further scriptural information on the subject at hand. 

I hope you will not view such references as an impersonal response, because I will tailor such references as close as possible to my best appraisal of your need, and great care has gone into making the scriptural information contained at each link, thorough, relevant, and substantial. Parts of an article may seem irrelevant to you, but if the link is cited, there is something of import in the article, that does relate. I hope you can extend the needed patience in this regard.

I can see from your comments, that you are relatively new to the writings at my Blog. For this reason, what follows is a Bible course of study, tailored to the individual needs expressed in your letter. Those needs are actually becoming more common among those who write to me, so my response to you will be helpful to many. 

I'm sure you will need to divide the material into segments. I hope you will take your time, and attend each section with as careful attention as was given to it's composition.

  Again, if any coverage of a topic is found lacking for you personally, I am eager to address the need. In addition to tending to you, it will also help supplement the overall resources offered at the Blog.

- ONE  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -

First I will say that I relate to much of your expressed experiences, while within the "Watchtower". I was in from 1975, until my disfellowshipping in 2011 for "causing divisions" 

(Luke 12:51; John 7:43; 10:19-20). 

According to prophecy, the distressing "cognitive dissonance" with "WT" doctrine which you mention, initially plagues the anointed who are capable of repentance, to be followed by it breaking out upon the "rest" [symbolized in Revelation, as "earth, sea, trees" (Rev.7:3; 8:7; Zech.13:9)]. This is a new thought to those coming out from the "WT"... specifically... that the Great Tribulation is spiritual, not physical 
(Luke 21:25; Isa.17:12; Joel 2:1-2; Rev.9:2-3; 13:1) (great-trib-why). 
The Greek word for "tribulation" is 

G2347 thlípsis – properly, pressure (what constricts or rubs together), used of a narrow place that "hems someone in"; tribulation, especially internal pressure that causes someone to feel confined (restricted, "without options") and carries the challenge of coping with the internal pressure of a tribulation, especially when feeling there is "no way of escape" (mentally "hemmed in").

Luke 19:43; Hosea 2:6; Mark 15:17; Eze.28:23-24

I hope you will follow up by researching this interpretation further, through this series of articles *(Great-Trib)*.

You speak of the evident "confusion" (meaning of "Babylon") (spiritual-virginity?) (sheol-hell-hades) which is manifested by these vacillating doctrines of the "WT". 

Yes, this is also what the Bible refers to as "shifting sands", "churning sea casting up mire and mud" ("waters" that lack clarity -Eze.34:19), and "shifting shadows" (darkness that keeps changing), 

which the Bible indicates would identify the false prophet/wicked steward, who was due to arrive with dominion over the Chosen, in the time of the end.

(Matt.24:24-25;  1Tim.4:1; Rev.13:13-16; 13:11,14-15; 19:20; 14:8; Jer.51:7)

    In contrast, those priests who faithfully represent Christ by teaching his truth (Matt.7:24; Rev.22:1; James 1:17), would have immovable consistency (John 15:16; Rom.3:4 B).

-  TWO -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -

You then speak of a job that took you away from "WT" indoctrination for a time, and upon your return, you perceived a discrepancy between past and present teachings. You cite the futility of learning tenets and teaching them, only to later be told that they are outdated and obsolete.

What you are observing, is just what the Bible foretold about the teachings of this particular religious empire which holds captive, the anointed. I think you will recognize the connection with prophecy, if you understand the interpretation of the symbolic "three" "frog-like expressions" of Rev.16:13.

A frog goes through many changes as it develops from an egg to an adult. If we were to constantly observe it's development, we would not clearly notice it's transformation. 

If we were to remove ourselves from observing it's development, only to return at a much later time, we may not even believe that it was the same creature. Gradual transformation from accepted truths, to accepted lies, is a tactic of Satan. I hope you will now consider more about these "three" "frog-like expressions", in the article, "6-6-6" (-666-).

-  THREE -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  - 

I am extremely sorry for the loss of your daughter. I can only imagine the heartache. Yet please know that you are not alone in experiencing loss of children. I understand that it is not the same as physical death... but it is now common for many to lose their children in other ways, due to the organization. I have lost two daughters. One is still captive and zealous in the organization (earth-swallows-satans-river), and I have not had contact with her, in years. The other was so damaged by the "elders", that she went off the deep end, into sin, drugs, and mental illness. She blames all of her problems, on my raising her in the Organization. She despises me for it. Our pain might cause us to lash out at God (Rev.16:11) (Job 1:22). But if we stop to consider that loss of children, cooling of love, family conflict, and many other distresses, were all a part of Christ's confiding to his disciples, what we must expect of these times in which we are. 

    He gave such warnings, in the hope that we would not be overcome, but rather, would recognize the reality of our spiritual circumstances and our place in the time-line of prophecy. The "Great Tribulation", is just that. It is the greatest spiritual oppression, to ever arise upon Christians. (great-trib-why) If it's Satanic deceptive powers were not limited by God, even the Chosen could not be saved from it (Luke 18:26-27; Matt.24:22,13) (who-saved).

Although it may seem like stale bread... the observing of such fulfillment **among the authentic Chosen, IS an indication of the approaching End 

(Luke 21:28-31; Mark 13:19-20,28-36;  1Cor.15:24-25; Ps.110:1-2; Rev.17:14). **(signs-of-end) (remaining-ones) (critical-times)

-  FOUR -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -

Ec.7:7 reads;

"Surely oppression destroys a wise man’s reason,
And a bribe debases the heart."

I deeply regret how all your oppression has impacted your wife.

Even the wise can lose their sanity when tribulation becomes severe. I myself, was driven to an attempt of suicide. But I hope that you will not give up in your trying to understand the bigger picture of our present reality; Because with that understanding, comes a way out. Once your hold on truth is firm, you may be able to comfort and assist your wife to that same freedom. I am not saying that full healing from the loss of a child can come in this life. But I assure you that hope and peace are within reach, 
for those who do not give up (Matt.7:7; 24:13; John 14:27).

Regarding your comment about Christ's "return" and "invisible presence", please consider these scriptures... 

(Acts 1:11; Rev.1:7; Heb.12:1; Matt.24:30; 16:4; Luke 17:20-21; 

 Rev.3:3;  1Thess.5:2; 3:13; Jude 1:14; Rev.19:11,14; 17:14;
  2Cor.10:3-5; 5:20; Matt.24:45; Rev.1:7; 6:9-11; 11:7)
These links are relevant (sign-son-of-man) (when-christs-return).

-  FIVE -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  - 

Lastly,

you state; "I guess I lack an assured expectation of things hoped for. ".

Please clarify for us, in your mind, what hopes we had, as well as the hopes to which "JW's" still cling. Were they not false hopes? These too, Bible prophecy, identified and foretold 

(2Thess.2:1-3; Luke 17:20-24) (Deut.18:20-22).

What I am saying, is that it is not wrong for you to let go of the false hopes which we were previously given (Heb.13:14; Rom.8:25; 12:12)...

as long as we replace them with authentic reason for hope.

Regarding a premature expectation of Christ 

  [and the reason why he seems to "delay" (Luke 12:45-46; Hosea 6:5; Hab.2:2-3)],

these links may help 

(master-delay-why) (my-master-delay) (great-deception).

I hope I have covered all the points you raised, and have given you an ample start to learning and perceiving what God's Word has to say on those issues and subjects.

As always, I am here for questions.

I know my responses tend to be copious, but I must offer as much of what I have been given, as is possible, in my desire to be found faithful and diligent in feeding Christ's sheep... especially those who are in distress.

In my own experience of regaining my spiritual sight, I remember the steps I had to go through, as I peeled away "WT" deception by means of spirit and truth, by the grace of God. 

I know that each puzzle piece is hard to fit into one's previous faith (Mark 2:22), unless the related concepts are also addressed. This is why I try to anticipate the same objections and questions which I myself went through during my process of being "set free" 

(John 8:32) (Isa.49:9; Eze.34:14; Matt.24:16).

Rather than leave such a problem to arise, I hope to smooth the path, by anticipating how a "WT" doctrine might cause one to stumble at a particular point. This is why I provide links to common objections or questions to the subject at hand. Yet each person is an individual, so if there is something not covered, just let me know. Thank you for your good questions. If you conclude that what is written here, is true; please heed it's guidance, and share it. If so, I hope you will also associate with our group, to afford yourself some comfort and support. Though we are few, we treasure our precious harmony of faith.

May God's spirit be with you, as you examine the wisdom of His guidance, found in His Word.

Love in Christ,

Pearl

LINK TO DIRECTORY OF ARTICLES

LINK TO MAIN HOME-PAGE
LINK TO FORUM