Thursday, December 20, 2012

Circumcision of Heart [] Who Serve in the Temple [] Difference between Great Crowd and 144000


We know that our old personality was impaled with Christ Jesus as Romans 6:6 puts it but Ephesians 4:22 says "that you should put away the old personality..." And Colossians 3:9 says "strip off the old personality..."
Is Paul talking to two different groups here now??? One being in Romans as one and in Ephesians and Colossians as different other? Cause I know once a person receives a circumcision of the heart is part of that old personality being strip off, I know that. Does these have anything related to Ephesians 2:15,16,17; Eph.2:18 the two persons his talking about that's why there's two different persons I'm seeing ???
That makes me think of one given the white robe the one being circumcision from the heart. The other cleaning their robe ones not circumcised from the heart.
That makes "two people's" as Ephesians 2:15,16,17,18 puts it. What do you think?
Rev 6:11 "given to them" Rev.7:9,13 "dressed in white robes" "they have washed their robe and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. 15 That is why they are before the throne of God; and they are rendering him sacred service day and night in his temple; and the One seated on the throne will spread his tent over them."


The "two peoples" are both joined together to become parts of the same "body", Christ (1Cor.12:12,18; Eph.4:4,16; Eph.2:21; 1Pet.2:5,10).
Those two groups are fleshly Jews and fleshly Gentiles.
When each race becomes anointed, and all have their hearts circumcised, they all become SPIRITUAL Jews. All those belonging to Christ's body are spiritual Jews, regardless of their fleshly nationality. In this way, Christ did away with the enmity and separation that formerly was between Jews and Gentiles (Eph.2:14). They are now all united as spiritual Jews by means of faith and spirit (Gal.3:14,8,7,26,27,28,29; Rom.2:28,29) Being a physical Jew no longer mattered (Rom.4:14; Gal.5:6; 3:28; 6:15; 2Cor.5:17; Col.3:11; Acts.10:15,34,35).

The stripping off of the old personality, and Jesus impaling our sinful flesh to his torture stake....does not cause a transformation aside from our free will.
Jesus opened the way to become new...a new creation....with a new personality that lived by spirit and not by the flesh. (Rom.8:9,14; 1John3:24; Gal.5:16-26)
That opened door is not enough, unless we walk through that door. It is up to us to work in harmony with spirit, so that we no longer practice sin, but rather become full grown in Christ. (Gal.5:16; Eph.4:13) Our new personality is not without work on our part (Luke13:24; 21:36).

Regarding Rev. and the white robes....those differing scriptures do not point to two different groups, nor two different events. They point to two different requirements....the ransom of the lamb, and the righteous acts of the holy ones (Rev.19:8; 5:9,10; 6:9,11; 7:10; 12:11). The white robes are granted on the basis of both requirements.

What do you think Rev.7:9,13 means?
Who are the only ones that can fulfill Rev.7:15?
Did you see where the Great Crowd are working, in Rev.7:15?
Who are the only ones who are allowed to "render sacred service day and night in His temple" and have that service be acceptable?

Please read 2Chron.23:6,7; 1Pet.2:5; 1Cor.3:16,17; Eze.44:15,16; Num.3:10
Please read those scriptures, and please let me know who the Bible says the Great Crowd is.
Rev.7:14 will help you. It says that they are in "white robes" (Rev.19:8; 6:11; Lev.6:10; 16:32; Rev.7:13-15).
It also tells us what period of time they are from.
Rev.7:15 will also help (1Pet.2:5; Num.3:10).

So you see that those rendering service in the temple are priests...good. Who are the priests of the temple? Yes, the anointed (Rev.5:9,10; 1Pet.2:9,10). The great crowd are anointed ones. They are the same priesthood as the rest of the 144000. There are not two different groups. The "Great Crowd" are a part of the 144000. they are specifically the anointed who come through the Great Tribulation in the time of the end...the "remnant" of God's people (Rev.12:17). The 144000 are ALL the anointed who reign with Christ during his time-limited kingdom. The Great Crowd are from the time of the Great Tribulation, after the "thousand years" ends. They Great Crowd need to wash their robes, unlike the 144000 of the first resurrection, in whom no falsehood was ever found.
The Great Crowd are special because they are the ones from the end of the world (Matt.28:20; 24:34).
Please let me know if all your questions from today are answered.

Yes, the context of 2Chron. IS interesting!
Like today, the leaders of Israel replaced God's chosen priests. (2Chron.13:9). (see also Eze.44:6,7,8,9) Same as today. This is why we have to get out from under the apostasy, and not work in harmony with it's defiling and trampling, of God's anointed Temple. 
(Matt.24:15,16; Mark 13:14) (Eze.36:8; John15:16; Matt.7:20; 5:14-16)
The anointed leaders have replaced their fellow anointed priests, with spiritual Gentiles. These elders and overseers have not received a circumcision of the heart by Holy Spirit, as the anointed have (Rom.2:28,29) (Eze.44:9); yet they have been empowered by the doctrines of the GB, to replace the anointed priests as shepherds of God's anointed Congregation. 
To our Heavenly Father, it is a rebellious abomination to replace those hand-picked by God Himself, and install these "uncircumcised" Gentiles over the sanctuary of the Almighty, and make it subject, to them (2Thess.2:4). The only rightful Head over the bride members, is Jesus Christ (Eph.5:23-25,26-27; 1:22; Col.1:18).
(Col.2:19; John15:6; 2Cor.11:2-4,20,14-15)


  1. Why must you put pictures on everyone of your blog? They are brutally scary...

  2. fear and trembling

  3. The pictures are quite mild in comparison to the spiritual reality. I hope to aid physical persons to awaken to the spiritual realities that presently surround them, in the hopes that the information the pictures display will help to save them (Eze.33:1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9)
    I have seen these realities as they are. I was taken into the spirit realm and shown them....not for the purpose that I should soften them and delude God's people into false "peace and security". They already have such false prophets to delude them into death (Jer.4:10; 5:12,13; 6:14; 8:11; 23:17; 14:13; Eze.12:24; 13:10; 1Thess.5:1,2,3). I was chosen...not to delude, but to awaken.
    Of 269 posts so far, only a handful have pictures. I hope to use them more in the future. Your comment testifies as to how much they are needed.


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