"He who seeks to save his life, will lose it."

A comment which was left after (who-really-can-be-saved)
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Dear Pearl and others,
I thought about the idea that ones in the Watchtower who do not allow themselves to be killed by it in disfellowshipping. Surely we can compare to 1st century and Christ said his followers would be persecuted and killed but not every Christian was put to death but generally speaking none escaped some form of persecution. So these ones may not be of the number who are killed does not mean they subject to the beast? 

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My Reply:

If they do not get killed, are they subject to Jesus Christ? 

(Mark 8:35; 13:13; Matt.25:5-6; Heb.13:13; John 16:2; Rev.12:11; 6:9-10,11; Rom.6:5;  2Cor.4:10)

In the first century... every "Christian" who did not obey Jesus and flee Jerusalem (Matt. 24:15,16), likely died under God's disfavor for their disobedience, when Jerusalem was destroyed.

The destruction of the Beast and false prophet, is also certain (Rev. 20:10) as is the destruction of all who remain under their influence (Rev. 13:8; 20:15; Eze. 14:10) or do not get out 
(Rev. 18:4; Luke 21:21,22; Isa. 52:11; 48:20; Jer. 51:6; Ps. 26:4;  1Cor. 10:21;  2Cor. 6:16,17).

For what reason, would any Christian remain in first century Jerusalem, despite Christ's warning?

Would it not be because his words at Matt. 23:38 and Matt. 21:43 were not taken to heart?

Jesus made plain, that the Jewish system was about to end (Matt. 24:2), and that God's favor and spirit was no longer with it.

That is the stark reality today, regarding the "Watchtower" (WT-crumble). 

So,

for what reason would someone stay inside?

Those "not perceiving" the "Watchtower's" standing with God, are still in darkness (What-is-Hades?).

Why would anyone have a reason to remain inside an organization condemned by God, and about to be destroyed,

unless they were still under it's deluding influence?...not taking seriously the warnings of Christ? (John 14:15)

(Rev. 13:8,14,15; Matt. 24:4,5,24,25; Rev. 14:9,10,11; 18:4; Luke 21:21,22)

The influence of the Beast upon one's heart, is made evident and manifest, by the symbolic mark of "666", on your forehead and hand.

(mark-of-beast) (666)

Those who were still swayed by the physical appearance of Jerusalem in the first century (previous to it's destruction), could also have that influence made evident, by their reluctance to leave (Luke 21:5,6,12,13,15,16,17,19).

Jesus warned his disciples, to "Flee"... comparing that exodus to Lot fleeing "Sodom" (Luke 17:26,27,28,29,30,31,32; Rev. 11:8).

Was it enough that Lot did not agree with the corruption he saw around him? (2Pet. 2:7,8)

Would that have saved his life from God's fire and sulfur that turned Sodom to ashes?

Or, did Lot need to "get out"? 

(Gen. 19:12-13,15,17,24,25,26,27,28,29; Jer. 51:6; Rev. 18:4)

(hide-or-herald/stay-or-flee?)

Jesus also made clear, when to flee, at Matt. 24:15,16 and Mark 13:14.

If we are capable of perceiving that the abomination (man of lawlessness 2Thess. 2:4) is now over the Holy Place (God's Temple 1Cor. 3:16) (Disgstg-thing);

then what are we waiting for ?... 

...if not under the spell of a deceptive aura, 

      a veneer of divinity leading the unwary to destruction (Luke 21:36), 

      a lethal facade, 

      a demonic guise and hoax, 

      inebriation by the harlot's sorcery

...convincing it's victims that they should remain inside the abomination for some reason?

  Would you justify remaining inside a Catholic Church, a mosque, or some other temple, if you knew God commanded you to get out? 
Do you view the "Watchtower" as  somehow different from those? If so, why?

Of all places, it is most deserving of God's wrath (WTs-end) (winepress) because it is lead by those who were in, but broke, a covenant with God (Rev. 21:9,10; Isa. 1:21; Rev. 17:6; Matt. 23:37,35; Rev. 18:24; 13:15; 11:7; 6:9,10,11; 19:2). 

Please examine your heart carefully, as to why, like Lot's wife, one should look back to Sodom (Rev. 11:8).

Lot's wife's heart, was somehow attached to that abhorrent city. She was not wholehearted in her willingness to leave it all behind.

Was she attached to something good?

We cannot serve two masters (1King 18:21). 
We either cherish the lifesaving truth of Christ, who mercifully extends his saving guidance;

or we diminish that truth, as secondary to false reasoning 

(Jer. 51:7; Col. 2:8; Rev. 13:10,7; Luke 21:24).

Though you say that not all Christians lost their lives in the first century...

every single one of the faithful did lose their lives (symbolically) within the corrupt Jewish system. They were condemned by the religious leaders as heretics, apostates, and blasphemers who were deserving of death. Those condemned and cast off, were then treated as dead, by all followers. Their previous life was over.
(John 9:22; 12:42; 16:2; Luke 12:8,9; Mark 8:35; 13:13; Heb. 13:13).
(symbolic+death+for+truth)

The requirement for faithfulness before Christ, is the same today 
(2Cor. 11:2,3,4; Rev. 2:20; 6:9,10,11; 12:10,11;  1John 2:14; Rev. 2:7; 3:12,21) (1Pet. 4:12,13,14;  2Cor. 1:5; Phil. 3:10,11).

Please meditate on Christ and God's words, about the reality and necessity of our sacrifice:

[John 12:24,25; Rev. 6:9,11; (Eze. 33:6; Rev. 19:15); Phil. 3:10; Rom. 6:5; 8:17; (Matt. 16:24; Gal. 3:13; Heb. 13:13); Mark 8:35].

Of course we know that thus far, this death today, is not literal.

If we shrink back 

       (Heb. 10:38) from declaring truth and the 

       "death" which naturally must follow (Rev. 13:15); 

what are we gaining? (Matt. 16:25,26,27; Mark 8:36,37,38).

If we belong to Christ, we will confess his saving truths before men, and die for it 

(Eph.4:25; Luke 9:26; 22:28; Rev. 14:4,5;  1Pet. 2:21). 

If we remain silent, then we are still in subjection to the law of the Beast... which decrees and enforces, that no doctrine but the Beast's, may be exchanged (Rev. 13:16,17)(buying-and-selling). 

If we cower before that law, we disobey Christ's counsel (Rev. 3:18; Matt. 25:14; 13:52; 25:25,28,30;  2Tim. 1:7,8;  2Cor. 4:1,2; 10:5; Eph. 4:25; Matt. 5:14) ("Lukewarm"), and are still marked by the laws of the Beast.

So when you ask;
"These ones may not be of the number who are killed does not mean they subject to the beast?"...
How can anyone obey Christ by sharing the truth, and not be condemned to spiritual death within the organization?
How can anyone avoid organizational death, unless they are, "subject to the Beast"? 

(John 9:22; 12:42; 16:2; Luke 12:8,9; Mark 8:35).
(symbolic+death+for+truth)
I hope you can perceive that in our time, escaping death for truth is not possible for those faithful, 
just as Jesus foretold (Mark 8:35).
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What was Lot's wife willing to give up, "in exchange for her soul"?

(Mark 8:36-37,38)

Not enough, and so, she lost it.

Are we willing to give up an abomination causing desolation to God's children,

   and fully obey Christ's warning to flee,

or not?

As far as where we need to flee to, Jesus gave us that information. 

Please see this link: "Flee! - Where?"

Regardless of our own reasoning (Prov. 3:5,6;  1Tim. 6:20;  1Cor. 3:18; James 1:22,23,24,25; Prov. 28:26; Matt. 4:4);

...If we remain inside the "city" (Rev. 17:18; 11:8) (kings-of-earth); 

our mark of citizenship to it, is made manifest before God and men (Mal. 3:18; Joel 3:14; James 1:12; Rev. 3:11). 
If you have been chosen as a priest, to serve in God's Holy place, you have an obligation...
(TEACH THE DISTINCTION)
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"Peace and Security" within "Jerusalem"?

Here is a recent comment, and my reply:

COMMENT:

I find that you Pearl are the one attacking another anointed brother. What Perimeno said was not prophecy he merely quoted scriptures.

I find him to be a humble man, and never puts himself over Gods sheep, he knows he is here for Gods sheep not the other way around.

You also mentioned that he is under the GB influence by remaining in the congregation. Was Christ under the directions and influence of the Pharasees while still going to the temple. Was the apostle Paul under the direction of the superfine apostles, did he advocate leaving the congregation because of the wickedness by some of those anointed, NO. We wait on Jehovah, anything else is pushing ahead.

What would you have the sheep leave and go where, where do they congregate? where do they encourage one another, Jehovah looks after his sheep even when they are surrounded by wicked ones within, even if some of the shepherds have become apostate. Jehovah's holy spirit is for all his people, individually those faithful among his sheep are given his holy spirit it endure. Love is the key, love of God and love of our brothers, Jesus gave us the example to follow.

When Jesus adressed the seven congregations in Rev; did he say for any of the faithful b/s to leave, no he said for those who were doing wrong to repent. Jehovah in is loving kindness is waiting for those ones in his temple to repent, and I agree with Perimeno that it has another reason, to show those who are faithful and waiting on Jehovah for his time to judge his house, those that worship the GB and its WTO will be judged, and will be a distinction between those that love and worship Jehovah and those that love and worship the organization.

Where are Gods sheep today then? do we not go to the meetings to encourage one another, to show brotherly love?

Jesus brought his lost sheep back to the pen, he did not say go and find another.

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REPLY:

If you reconsider, you may realize that I have not "attacked" Perimeno, but rather, have attacked some of his teachings. Perhaps you do not realize, that the central purpose and calling of anointed (should they prove faithful), is to do exactly that (Mal.2:7; Eph.5:11;  2Cor.10:3-4,5-6). Is that not what Perimeno does also, with some teachings of the GB? 

Perimeno did not merely "quote scriptures"...he gave his interpretation, and how that interpretation should guide others. I KNOW that this guidance, will lead others to death. I MUST speak (Eze.33:8).

I know Perimeno. I caution you concerning the putting of your Faith in his "humility". That esteem has been ascribed to the GB too. Such faith in men is irrelevant. Our faith should only be in Yhvh, Christ, and the scriptures.

Jesus Christ was never "under the direction and influence of the Pharisees". His obedience to God's Laws were direct, and from the time of his birth he was born "under Law" (Gal.4:4). Jesus actions and teachings easily prove whose influence and direction he was under (John 5:30; 12:49; Matt.23:13,17).

Paul spoke out, publicly "attacking" the false teachings of "superfine apostles", did he not? 

(2Cor.11:12;  1Tim.1:7)

"Waiting on Jehovah", is blasphemy. Yhvh's justice is not to blame for the wickedness. The delay and drunken sleepiness of the anointed, is to blame (Rev.6:11; 12:11;  2Tim.1:7; Jer.4:10). 

As regards "pushing ahead"...the anointed have not been called into inactivity or shrinking back (Matt.25:25-26,30; Heb.10:38; Phil.3:13; Rev.2:2-3,5,19,26; 3:2), 

but to war 

(Eph.5:11;  2Cor.11:12; 10:3-4,5;  1Cor.11:19; Rev.19:11,14,8; 17:14; 12:11; Mark 8:35). 

Those who refuse to fight, die (Rev.3:16;  1Tim.6:12; Heb.10:39; Matt.10:33).

As far as "where the sheep should go", 

that choice depends upon their obedience to Christ (Matt.24:15-16,28; Rev.18:4; John 10:3-4).

 John 10:3-4; Matt.22:9; Eze.34:13-14; Mark 13:14

You are correct...Yhvh DOES "look after His sheep, even when they are surrounded by wicked ones" through no choice of their own (1Cor.15:33; Ps.140:1). He also looks after them when they are no longer a part of the wicked ones 

(2Cor.6:14-15,16-17;  2Thess.3:6; Rom.16:17;  2Tim.3:5;  2John1:10-11; Prov.13:20; Psalm 1:1; 26:4,5).

"Encouragement" is not derived by a passive listening to lies, while those around you are being guided to death (Eze.33:8).

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The "example of Jesus", was to leave the corrupt congregation (Matt.23:38-39). It is NOT the path of love, to silently condone the misleading of God's Nation by Satan (2Cor.11:4; Rev.2:20). This is what one does, if they sit in silence while their fellows are being deceived.

The wrong that the "seven congregations" were doing, which they needed to repent for, was a "tolerating" of false teachings, even though those teachings were "misleading of my slaves to commit fornication and idolatry" (Rev.2:14-15,16,20,22-23; 3:2,19). The rest of that same book, gives clear instruction to the remnant....

How do you understand these scriptures???.....

Rev.6:9-10,11; 13:15

How many who DO NOT worship the beast, avoid being "killed" by it?

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"Yhvh's temple", are anointed (1Cor.3:16;  1Pet.2:5). 

Perimeno's false teaching that all disciples are equal to being anointed, has gained him a following, based upon this false flattery to his followers (Rom.16:18;  1Thess.2:5,4) ...just as the elders have been mislead into thinking that they are the "spirit-appointed" "princes" (Rev.9:7).

The distinction (Mal.3:18), between those who love and worship Yhvh and those who follow the Beast, is already being made manifest...not within the meetings...but in the "wilderness" outside, where the "eagles" are gathering to those slain. 

Do you seriously see anyone standing up for truth in the Kingdom Hall, to fulfill Mal.3:18? I am sure that if anyone does claim this "certain distinction", he will be promptly ushered out, and announced as expelled. There is your distinction!
(Teach the Distinction!)

How is it that you are showing "brotherly love" to those on the line to the wine-press of God's wrath? Is your warning to them distinct? (1Cor.14:8)

Jesus himself (not an organization), is the entrance to the true spiritual "pen" (John 10:9). The "Pen" of Jesus Christ is not a corrupt man-made organization which is now ruled by Satan (Rev.9:11). God's people are being held captive in that deadly pen (Rev.13:10; Isa.5:18,13-14; Amos 9:4,8-9,10). 

When Yhvh "sifts" his people (Amos 9:9), it is so that the "desirable ones" come to the True Temple! (Haggai 2:7; Matt.24:28). 

God's Word DOES NOT TELL US TO STAY PUT amidst the apostasy during his separating work. He tells us to GET OUT (Rev.18:4). 

Yhvh's pen is not inside the City of apostate Jerusalem, "Babylon", Egypt, or Sodom (Rev.11:8; 18:10).

Why does prophecy compare the corrupt "City" that kills the faithful anointed to "Sodom" and "Egypt"? Because in the case of both, physical fleeing meant survival! (Luke 17:28-29,30,32-33)
When the righteous soul of Lot was tormented by the lawlessness of Sodom's citizens (2Pet.2:6-7,8) the solution was not to upbuild, love, and encourage those corrupt people, but to be removed from them. 

As impossible as it may seem, "Jerusalem" is now in the same condition (Eze.9:4,9-10; Rev.18:5); and anyone inside should also be "sighing and groaning"..."tormented" like Lot...if their "soul" is also "righteous" (Rev.9:5). 

God's judgment is coming to these (1Pet.4:17; Jer.25:29-30) and consistent with all the Cities destroyed by Yhvh in the past....to remain in their proximity of them, means death.

Why does Rev.11:8 also say that "Sodom" and "Egypt" it is the same place Jesus was impaled? 

Because the central place of God's worship... apostate Jerusalem (Matt.23:37); is in the same spiritual condition as it was in the first century. Just as God's faithful had to flee from Babylon, Sodom, Egypt, and Jerusalem, ...God's people in the time of the end are given the same warning [Rev.18:4 --"MY people" (1Pet.2:9-20)] ...to "get out" of where they are.

Please send me the scripture where the Bible tells God's anointed remnant, to stay inside and
remain associating with the mislead idolators, (1Cor.5:11; Psalm 26:4,5) ...not to warn them, but to "encourage" them toward a greater sense of "peace and security" (Eze.13:10;  1Thess.5:3).

I pray you wake up (Eph.5:11).

Pearl
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Our "Garment"

Addition to: "Hide, or Herald? Stay, or Flee?"
as follows;

"Are we afraid of losing an identity among men?
Our identity/label among men, is symbolized in the Bible by the "garment" we wear (and is seen by others). (Matt.24:15,16,18; 6:28,30; Rev.19:8). We may think we have adequate "covering" while labeled one of "Jehovah's Witnesses", but we do not (Rev.3:17,18). We must seek the identity that will not be taken from us (Rev.16:15; 17:16) 
(Matt.6:19; Rev.3:5; 6:11; 1Pet.3:3,4; Rev.12:1; 1:16; Rom.13:14; 2Cor.4:6) (Col.3:9,12; 2Cor.5:2,3).
Let us be clothed by our association with the light of Christ, rather than the darkness of demons 
(Jer.13:16; John12:35; Isa.50:3; 13:10; Jer.4:28; Rev.20:7,8; 9:2,3,10,11; 13:7,10; Isa.49:9; 42:7) 
(Isa.60:2; Col.1:13; Heb.3:1; Matt.10:32; Rev.12:17; 2:25; 3:11; Luke12:36,35).
We are not to be anxious over our identity before men (John5:44,41; 12:43; Rom.2:29; 1Thess.2:6) 
(Mark 8:35; Eph.6:13,14,15,16,17).
God will provide a garment of incorruptible glory, to those who seek to please His face (Rom.9:26; Zech.3:8,3,4,5; Job 29:14; Matt.6:28; Hosea 14:5; Isa.52:1; 61:10; Rev.21:2; Isa.49:18; Ps.45:14,15; 132:16; 149:4; Rev.3:11)."

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Hide? Or Herald? / Stay? Or Flee?

A COMMENT I WAS SENT:

"Pearl, please listen to a bit of advice.
You are having people "out" themselves when it seems it is really not the time to do so. It seems to me it is the time to remain hidden until Christ sends us out to go ruling in the midst of our enemies. Obadiah hid 100 prophets by 50 in caves, David hid himself from king Saul. Mordeciai told Esther not to reveal her people or her identity:
Esther 2:10 -Now Esther had not disclosed her people or her lineage, for Mordecai had instructed her not to do so.
If you reveal yourself now, you will face unnecessary trials and persecution you don't have to face at this time, the time will come for that but it is not now. Please consider this carefully."

MY RESPONSE:

Matt.5:15
"Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house."
Luke 12:35
"Be dressed ready for service and keep your lamps burning".

Matt.10:16-39 (click here to read); Mark 8:35
Matt.25:25,26,27,28,29,30,41,42,43,44,45

First of all, the people you speak of did not "out themselves".
They simply started obeying the scriptures, were noticed because of it, and then were subjected to scrutiny, slander, and expulsion. This was done, not by them, but by the false doctrines of the "wicked steward", and the army of Gentile elders---that steward's long arms 

(Dan.11:31; Jer.7:30; 19:4; Dan.11:38,39,10,22; 8:11;  2Thess. 2:4; Rev.13:15; 19:20; 17:6,3; 11:7). 
This circumstance and event is a common theme in end-time prophecies (John 16:2,4,1; Luke 21:24; Rev.11:2; 13:10).
Christ's advice, is that when faced with falsehood, we must confess Christ's truth, and not seek to "save our souls"...the life and identity we may possess (Matt.10:32; Eph.4:25; Ps.26:4; Mark 8:35). This is also required in the time of the end, when faced with doctrines of demonic deception (1Tim. 4:1; Rev.16:13,14,15,16; 17:14; 19:11,14,8). If we shrink back, we do not please our Master (Heb.10:38; Rev.2:20; 3:1,2,3,4; 2:25; 12:17 D).
Without a death for truth in imitation of Christ (Rom.6:5; Heb.13:13; Rev.20:4; 13:15; 11:7,8);
we will not be sealed as tested and faithful (Rev.6:9,10,11; Rev.19:7,8,14; 6:9,11; 11:7) (Rev.2:10; Luke 22:31; John 12:24,25).
(he-who-seeks-to-save-his-life-will-lose-it)
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Are we afraid of losing a good reputation among men?
Our identity/label among men, is symbolized in the Bible by the "garment" we wear (and is seen by others). (Matt.24:15,16,18; 6:28,30; Rev.19:8). We may think we have adequate "covering" while labeled one of "Jehovah's Witnesses", but we do not (Rev.3:17,18). We must seek the righteous identity that will not be taken from us (Rev.16:15; 17:16) (Matt.6:19; Rev.3:5; 6:11;  1Pet. 3:3,4; Rev.12:1; 1:16; Rom.13:14;  2Cor. 4:6) (Col.3:9,12;  2Cor. 5:2,3).
Let us be clothed by our association with the light of Christ, rather than the darkness of demons (Jer.13:16; John 12:35; Isa.50:3; 13:10; Jer.4:28; Rev.20:7,8; 9:2,3,10,11; 13:7,10; Isa.49:9; 42:7) (Isa.60:2; Col.1:13; Heb.3:1; Matt.10:32; Rev.12:17; 2:25; 3:11; Luke 12:36,35).
We are not to be anxious over our identity before men (John 5:44,41; 12:43; Rom.2:29;  1Thess. 2:6) (Mark 8:35; Eph.6:13,14,15,16,17).
God will provide a garment of incorruptible glory, to those who seek to please His face 

(Rom.9:26; Zech.3:8,3,4,5; Job 29:14; Matt.6:28; Hosea 14:5; Isa.52:1; 61:10; 

  Rev.21:2; Isa.49:18; Ps.45:14,15; 132:16; 149:4; Rev.3:11).

Many things can seem true to us. Is that not true of the false doctrines we used to believe? Yet as knowledge and refinement progress, we often realize we were shortsighted (Prov.14:12). 
Many things can seem false to us. We must be open to Christ in however he has arranged to teach and refine us (1Cor. 3:18; Rev.3:17,18,19; Prov.1:23; Dan.11:33,34,35; 12:10).
The bottom line is, we are all fools, especially compared to our Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. Our very lives depend upon gaining their graces, and the favor of their wisdom, without which we expire in the dark (Isa.38:17;  1Pet. 2:9;  1Thess. 5:4-6,7-8; Eph.6:11;  2Cor. 10:3-5).
Have you privately petitioned God for confirmation of your perceptions,
by means of a clear sign?

Although you give scriptural accounts of times when God's people hid,
you do not provide scriptures which tell those in our shoes today, to hide.
You do not provide scriptures which reveal when and how a supposed switch from hiding to heralding occurs.
What relevant and related scriptures then, are there, for me to "carefully consider"?
There are scriptures for varying situations, and various scriptural ways to respond appropriately to each of them.
We are not entitled to the liberty of applying them as seems right to us.
The Bible itself tells us when and how to apply them.

Please note Ec.3:

 1  There is a time for everything,
    and a season for every activity under the heavens:
2     a time to be born and a time to die,
    a time to plant and a time to uproot,
3     a time to kill and a time to heal,
    a time to tear down and a time to build,
4     a time to weep and a time to laugh,
    a time to mourn and a time to dance,
5     a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them,
    a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing,
6     a time to search and a time to give up,
    a time to keep and a time to throw away,
7     a time to tear and a time to mend,
    a time to be silent and a time to speak,
8     a time to love and a time to hate,
    a time for war and a time for peace."

So then,
how do we know whether it is now time to hide,
or the time to come out of hiding and herald the truth?
Is it time to stay silent and hide inside the Organization (Ps.26:4; Eph.5:11),
or is it time to speak openly and not condone the wickedness we perceive,
and as a consequence, be "persecuted for righteousness sake"? (Matt.5:10,11,12)

Jesus Christ himself, told us when to flee (Matt.24:15,16).

It is when we perceive /"catch sight" of, the presence of  "disgusting thing standing in the holy place"
(pearl-disgustingthing.blogspot.com)
 as spoken of at Dan.9:27 and Dan.11:31,32,33;

which reads:

"31 “His armed forces will rise up to desecrate the temple fortress and will abolish the daily sacrifice (Hosea 14:2; Dan.8:11). Then they will set up the abomination that causes desolation. 32 With flattery he will corrupt those who have violated the covenant, but the people who know their God will firmly resist him.

33 “Those who are wise will instruct many (Dan.12:3; Phil.2:15), though for a time they will fall by the sword or be burned or captured or plundered (Rev.13:10,7)."

Please note the previous sections in bold.

Please note that when the "disgusting thing" is perceived and it is then time to leave,
those knowing God will "resist" and "instruct".
They are not said to go and hide, remaining mute.

Not all will come to "perceive" the presence of this abomination
(Matt.13:11; 19:11; Isa.29:11; Luke 8:10;  1Cor. 2:10), because they are blinded by it, and worship it as marvelous, wonderful, and admirable (2Thess. 2:4,9,10,11,12; Rev.13:8,14,15,3).
They become obedient slaves to it's lying doctrines (Rev.13:16; 16:13; Isa.44:20; Ps.144:8; Rom.1:25), rather than obedient slaves to God's Word (Deut.11:18; Rev.7:3).
The Chosen are docile captives among these spiritual Gentiles (Rev.13:7; 11:2; Dan.7:21; 8:11,12,13,24), which after all, was Satan's whole motive for this scenario (Rev.12:15,17; 13:1,7,10; 2:10; Matt.24:24,25).

But once we do perceive the truth (and the abomination/disgusting thing, dominating God's Temple/Holy Place --(1Pet. 2:9,5; Eph.2:20,21,22;  1Cor. 3:16)

(Rev.11:2;  2Thess. 2:4; Dan.7:21; 8:11; Rev.13:7),
...then remaining in mute association with it, is not an option.(Ps.26:4; Eph.4:25). When we recognize the abomination among God's Temple (2Thess. 2:4;  1Cor. 3:16); Christ's direction is to "flee".
(Matt.24:15,16;  2Cor. 6:16,17; Rev.2:20; 18:4,5; Jer.51:9,6,45)
(Eph.4:25;  1Tim. 4:16;  1Cor. 9:16; Matt.5:14,15,16; Eze.33:6; Matt.10:33,32).
    The "Temple" priesthood must repent of their captivity/subjection/slavery to the Beast (Joel 1:13; Rev.11:3; 13:7,10), and be restored to function again, according to it's divine purpose 

(John 15:1,2,5,6,8; Luke 6:45,44; Matt.7:19; Heb.13:15;  1Pet. 2:5,9; Isa.43:21; Mal.3:3; 2:7; Dan.12:11,12; 9:24,25; 12:1; 8:14).

As soon as a chosen priest perceives his captivity and slavery to the disgusting Idol raised up in God's Temple (Rev.13:7,10;  2Cor.11:4,20,12,3; Rom.6:16; Col.3:24), he must repent (Joel 1:13; Rev.11:3; 2:16; 3:2,3; Eze.21:12; Rev.13:10) and resume the service he owes to God
(Ec.5:4; Rev.7:15; 22:3; 20:6; 5:10; Isa.60:1)
despite the consequences
(Phil.3:10; Rom.6:5; Rev.13:15; 11:7; 6:9,10,11; 12:11; 20:4).

Once an anointed one "catches sight" of this abomination, it is not permissible for that chosen priest to remain a silent doormat to the Gentiles who trample him 

(Rev.11:2; Matt.5:13;  2Cor. 11:20,3; Isa.51:23; 52:1,2). He owes his subjection to Christ alone as his Lord and Head (Eph.5:23;  2Cor. 11:3; Rev.14:4,5; Ps.26:4;  2John 1:11).
He owes his neighbors the truth (Eph.4:25; Eze.3:18; John 8:32; Mal.2:7).
He owes God his open praise (Ps.78:1,4; 71:17,18; Isa.43:10,21;  1Pet. 2:9; Job 15:18).

  The High Priest has set an example for the Chosen (Heb.4:14).... to follow in his steps closely (1Pet. 2:21; Rev.14:4). Christ was in subjection to God (1Cor. 11:3; John 6:38) and his true disciples are also God's slaves..... not slaves to men (1Cor. 7:23; Gal.1:10). (Rev.7:3; 14:1; Matt.4:10).
He declared the truth openly, knowing the repercussions 

(Matt.26:55; Mark 10:1; 14:49; Luke 19:47; John 8:2,20; 18:20; Mark 10:33; John 10:15,17,18).
Are we to imitate him, or not?
Those "knowing their God" (Dan.11:32) and what he deserves (Isa.42:8; Matt.4:10), will perceive the corrupting force raised up among God's Temple Priesthood, remember the need to be exclusively devoted to God alone (Ex.22:20; Isa.42:8) and "firmly resist" those Gentiles who trample and defile the sanctuary of His Holy Spirit (1Cor. 3:16,17).
(Dan.11:32,33).

What is the anticipated consequence today, of "resisting" and "instructing" that which is not sourced with the wicked steward? (Rev.13:17,15)

What happens when the wicked slave's Gentile army of counterfeit priest "elders"
             (Eze.44:6,7,8,9;  2Chron. 13:9; 23:6),
             (who have set themselves up, among God's anointed Temple
             -Matt.24:15;  2Thess. 2:4;  1Cor. 3:16; Eph.2:20,21,22;
               Rev.11:2; Luke 21:24; Matt.5:13),
are "firmly resisted", and "instructed" in spirit and truth? (Dan.11:32; Rev.13:15; John 16:2; Rev.11:7).

Jesus well knew the consequence of courageous obedience and loyal chastity to him (*John16:2; Matt.10:36; Mark 8:35; Eph.5:27).
       (*Greek literally states, "Expel you from the assembly
           /place of meeting/Congregation/fellowship)

He said that if we were truly awake, our lamp would be burning (Luke 12:35,37; Matt.25:7).

If we have no oil to burn, it is a bad indication (Matt.25:8).

You give scriptures related to hiding, but no scriptural instruction for the remnant to hide,

nor for them to hide the spiritual truths they have been given (Rev.3:18; Matt.25:25), nor to avoid the consequence of shedding light.

They are consistently referred to in prophecy, as courageous heralds in the face of "death" (Rev.6:9,10,11; 12:10,11; 20:4), 

bearing tireless witness, by sounding their priestly trumpets 

(Joshua 6:8; Rev.8:6; Amos 3:6,7; Isa.58:1; 18:3; Eze.33:3,4,5,6; 7:14; Jer.4:5,6,19; 6:1; Joel 2:1,15; Zeph.1:14,16; Zech.9:14; Hosea 8:1; Neh.4:20).
Christ set the pattern for a death-defying witness to truth, and that pattern has always been the Christian standard (2Tim. 3:12; Rom.8:17; Col.4:3).

We must wage spiritual warfare along with Christ our Lord 

(Gen.3:15; Rev.12:7,17; 17:14; 19:11,14,8;  2Cor. 10:3,4,5; Eph.5:11; Matt.12:30; Rev.3:15,16,2),

in order to attain the white robe of our seal (Rev.19:8; 6:9,10,11).

Have you asked God Himself for verification of your convictions?
This is a simple test. Pray as Gideon did, and see how God replies.

If your heart is sincere and open to truth unconditionally,

He will tell you whether or not your eye is good. He will tell you where in His Word to find His light. Do you perceive the body, and how it works? 

(1Cor. 11:29; 12:18,28; 14:32; Eph.2:20; Rev.22:6; 10:7; Amos 3:7; Rev.1:20)

I see the "disgusting thing standing in the holy place" as clear as crystal.

Visions of God are not without force!

Should I and others not flee, because you advise against it?

Only those "leaving the City" will be offered the marriage feast (Matt.22:9)

       (Matt.22:9 literally says "those on the way out of the City", 
        which tells us that the standard for invitation, is to be 
        exiting apostate "Jerusalem", which would be the same 
        ones who are obeying Jesus.... Matt.24:16NIV ; Rev.18:4; Jer.51:6; Isa.48:20).

        Jesus promised, that anyone (anointed or not) brave enough to leave
        the apostate "city" Jerusalem; would be invited to the marriage feast 
        of the Lamb 

        (Matt.22:2,8,9; Luke 14:15; Rev.19:7,9,10; 22:6,7; Rev.1:1; 5:2,5,7; 6:1). 

        That feast has begun.
        At Matt.22:9, the Greek actually says specifically...
       "diexodous"
         G1327
         n_ Acc Pl f
         THRU-OUT-WAYS
         EXITS
         ...that although it is often translated ("street corners", "broad way", etc.),
         it is those who are on the road "leaving" the City, which are invited to 
         this end-time spiritual feast of truth.

Jesus said to "remember the wife of Lot". Why?
Because we are not to hesitate in fleeing, nor even look back at the condemned abomination we leave behind!

Note Luke 17:31-33

"31"On that day, the one who is on the housetop and whose goods are in the house must not go down to take them out; and likewise the one who is in the field must not turn back. 32"Remember Lot's wife. 33"Whoever seeks to keep his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it."

We must not seek to preserve a life related to the counterfeit kingdom Organization of "Jehovah's Witnesses". It is a counterfeit Mt. Zion, and a counterfeit Temple served by counterfeit Gentile priests and princes (Rev.9:7; 13:1) who have stolen their royal authority from Christ's kings (Rev.1:5; 5:10; 17:12,17; 3:11).
(http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/02/YHVHs-genuine-mountain.html)
(pearl-disgustingthing.blogspot.com)

Even after the wicked steward Governing Body/False Prophet/dominating Harlot, is removed; the Organization will still be the blasphemous wild beast of Rev.13:1,4.

Some anointed will return after the downfall of the governing body/Harlot....not realizing the full and accurate interpretation of Revelation's identities.
Many interpret the "man of lawlessness" as being the GB (spiritual Jews/priests/called ones/from the "earth" -Rev.13:11; 19:20; 8:10,11), not realizing that the "man of lawlessness", consists of spiritual Gentiles (non-anointed) and is the first wild beast from the "sea" (Rev.13:18,1,7; Isa.57:20; Rev.11:2).
(pearl-666.blogspot.com)

There is no reforming the Organizational Idol(/Beast's Image) even after the harlot is thrown off. It's very concept is an abomination in God's face (Isa.42:8).
(pearl-disgustingthing.blogspot.com)

For those called and Chosen who do not perceive this "disgusting thing" accurately
              ("Gentiles" ruling over God's true Temple 
               -  2Thess. 2:4; Matt.24:15,16;  1Cor. 3:16; Rev.13:7; 11:2) 

...and so, they return to it (Luke 21:21);
the role of "ten kings" who rule with the beast (beast-eighth king) during the final hour (2Thess. 2:3; Rev.17:11,12), is the prophetic position reserved for them (Rev.17:11,12; 3:17;  1Cor. 4:8).
(Who-are-kings-of-earth?)

These ten horns will also be condemned, along with the Beast, for their not realizing or accepting  that God is the strength and hope for the faithful (Heb.13:14,13; Phil.3:20)....

...not an army of spiritual Gentiles ("elders" and "overseers"), who make up the "image" of a counterfeit "spirit-directed" Idol, which stands in defiance of God's Will and true "organization"...the administration of Holy Ones, the True Temple and abiding place of His Holy Spirit, and the Body of Christ.

(Rev.13:14,15; Zech.4:7; Rev.8:8) 

(Eph.1:4,5,9,10,11,12,13,14,18,19,20,21,22,23; Eph.2:20,21,22;  1Cor. 3:16; 12:11,12,14,18,27,28)

The genuine and faithful ambassadors of that Temple,

are now being trampled by the blasphemous counterfeit.

(http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/02/YHVHs-genuine-mountain.html)"

The Will of God is for the lowly to be raised up by Him, and the high to be brought low (Dan.4:17) (Matt.23:12). How?
Not by the power of men and their idol of stone, but by the power of God's spirit (Zech.4:6,9,7; Rev.8:8; Mark 9:42) (Jer.17:5; Ps.40:4).

Jesus clearly knew his path. One of his fellows tried to dissuade him (Matt.16:22,23).

The path of holiness is also clear during this time of great test and sorting 

(Amos 9:8,9,10,11,12,13; Isa.54:8,11,9,10; Rev.6:14; Heb.12:27;  1Cor. 3:13,14; Ps.102:26).

Will we hide our "talent of gold" and shrink back to destruction?   

(John 12:42; Matt.25:25,30; Heb.10:38,39; Rom.1:17) 

Spirit and scripture, make the path of life clear; along with the requirements to be on it. 

(Matt.7:14; Isa.35:8; 40:3; 62:10; Matt.24:16; Eze.36:8; Isa.49:11; Jer.50:5; Ps.118:20; Rev.19:8)(Eze.17:23; Matt.13:31,32)

"For whoever wants to save their life will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me and for the gospel will save it." (Mark 8:35)
(coming-to-life)
(http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/05/warning-letter.html)
(http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/07/persecution.html)

"Israel's watchmen are blind, they all lack knowledge; they are all mute dogs, they cannot bark; they lie around and dream, they love to sleep." (Isa.56:10; Matt.25:5)

'"What I say to you I say to all, 'Be on the alert! in case he should come suddenly and find you sleeping!" (Mark 13:37,36)

"So then let us not sleep as others do, but let us be alert and sober." (1Thess. 5:6) 

"Therefore, with minds that are alert and fully sober, set your hope on the grace to be brought to you when Jesus Christ is revealed at his coming." (1Pet. 1:13)

“Let your waist be belted and your lamps burning.” (Luke 12:35)

"Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist" (Eph.6:14)

Yes, there will be those hiding in caves (Rev.6:15),
but is it the right time for that now?

Notice the outcome for them. It is not good....

"15 Then the kings of the earth and the great men and the commanders and the rich and the strong and every slave and free man hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains; 16 and they said to the mountains and to the rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; 17 for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?" (Rev.6:15,16,17)

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Christ has been ruling in the midst of his enemies since the First Century.

(Luke 17:21; 11:20; Matt.11:12; 26:64; 28:18; 21:4,5; Acts 2:33; Rev.3:21; Eph.1:20,21,22,23; Acts 4:11; John 1:49; Luke 22:69; Ps.110:1-2;  1Cor. 15:24,25;  1Pet. 3:22)

His force goes out through Zion's faithful sanctuary (Ps.110:1,2; 20:2;  2Cor. 5:20; Col.1:13; Eph.2:6; 1:3;  Isa.2:3,10,11,12,17,18,19,22) ...also since the first century, when the gathering and sealing of it's members began.

Heavenly Mount Zion is not the Watchtower! It is the "144,000" (Rev.14:1; Dan.7:27,22).
(http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/02/YHVHs-genuine-mountain.html)
(http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014/04/keep-awake.html)

We Chosen already have our authority to trample snakes and scorpions 

(Luke 10:19; Matt.23:33; Eze.2:6,7; Rev.9:3,10; Eph.6:12,16).

The question is, will we faithfully use it?

(Eph.6:11;  2Cor. 6:7;  1Tim. 1:18; 6:12; 2:3;  2Tim. 1:8; 2:9,10; 4:5)
Or will we abdicate?
(Rev.17:17; 3:11) (Prov.19:10; Ec.10:7; Rev.9:7,10,16,19)

Heb.10:38

If you have scriptures that specifically tell the remnant in the time of the end, to be silent and hide until some signal; then send them to me, as well as the scriptures that declare what that signal is.

MY FOLLOW UP RESPONSE

The "wilderness" is not a place to hide, but a place of testing and sifting, just as it was for Christ (Matt.4:1). What scripture guides you to believe that the "wilderness" means Christ's footstep followers should be hiding?

Note that the harlot, (who is not hiding), is also in the wilderness, along with the "woman" (Rev.17:3; 12:6).

Note that the "woman" is fed while in the wilderness, for a symbolic period of 1.260 days "away from the face of the serpent"--not "hiding".
Through her testing, she will be protected from failure 

(Rev.3:10; Jude 1:24; Matt.19:25,26; Rom.14:4; 8:31; Eph.3:20;  2Pet. 1:10;

  2Tim. 4:18;  2Cor. 2:11; Rom.16:25,26,27;  1Pet. 5:10)

God arranges that, through Christ (Heb.1:2; Rev.1:1; 12:6; Eph.5:29; Acts 3:20; Eph.1:9; 3:3,4,9; Col.1:26). Who do these fathers use on earth, to feed the "woman" these life-saving provisions? 

    [(Note the connection between Rev.12:6 and Rev.11:3 (1,260)]. 

She cannot be fed "*hidden manna" through the two witnesses, unless those two have already proven victorious (Rev.2:17) and productive.
           ("They" are not silent and hiding during the very same time that 

           "she" is being fed in the wilderness. They are "prophesying" -Rev.11:3)

(*"hidden" manna-- John 6:31,51; Mark 8:29,30; John 14:21,22; 6:51,65; Matt.13:11; Col.2:2,3; 4:3; Isa.29:11; Dan.12:10)

We must understand, that not all prove victorious at the same time. Called ones have been being selected and sealed since the first century. Remember....the Daystar rises within individual hearts (Rev.2:28;  2Pet. 1:19) after their victory, and when their time of Satan's testing is accomplished.

"Away from the face of the serpent" is not hiding. It is a protection which being graced with truth affords. Satan seeks to devour with his mouth, and all that comes forth from it 

(2Cor. 2:11;  1Pet. 5:8; Rev.12:15; Job 41:14,18,19,20,21,22,34).
(https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2012/12/earth-swallows-satans-river-rev1216.html)
Conquering Satan by means of our heralding (Rev.12:10,11), is done individually, and has been occurring in every sealed member of Christ's body, since the first century 

(Heb.2:14; Luke 10:17,18;  1John 2:14; Rom.8:37).

If you are not yet at the feet of Christ, nor sitting at the table being served by him (Rev.3:20; Luke 12:37; John 14:23), then you have not yet fed him (Luke 17:7,8,9,10). If we are hiding and silent, we give Christ nothing [Dan.8:11; 12:11; Eze.22:30 (Ps.106:23); Isa.63:5], and Satan has overreached and swallowed us into the power of his abyss of paralyzing death. Here is the connection to Rev.11:3 .... Eze.13:5.
It is time to "repair the wall" of protective truth, so that our Land can stand firm in this day of battle (Eze.22:30). The present wicked steward is contented with whitewashing it's defects (Eze.13:14,15,16; 22:28; Isa.28:15,18). 
"He" insists on arguing in favor of falsehood, continuing to whitewash a wall of lies which will not remain standing!
Their defensive doctrines are crumbling. (LINK:Can-Watchtower-Crumble?)



[SEE Eze.13:1-16 --(click HERE to open);  1Thess. 5:3,6] 

       (Acts 23:3; Eze.13:12; 22:28; Joshua 6:4,20; Rev.8:6)

We are not dismayed at the persecution which now befalls us. All things are proceeding according to prophecy (Rev.6:9,10,11; 12:11; Matt.5:11,12; John 16:2). God's Word is reliable (2Pet. 1:19).
Let the words of Jesus encourage us...
"When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." (Luke 21:28)

We battle those messengers of demonic deception 

(Rev.16:13,14,15,16;  1Tim. 4:1; Rev.12:15; Eph.6:12;  2Cor. 10:3,4,5).
If you are not using what truth you have been given (Matt.25:22,4), you will not be given more (Matt.13:12).
"Protection" is not the same as restrictive chains. You must be faithful in least, before you are given "much" (Luke 16:10; Matt.25:23). Silence and hiding have nothing to do with fulfilling that prerequisite (Rev.21:8).
If we see faithful brothers of Christ being "killed" by the Steward's minions, we are not to condone it in silence (Prov.17:15; Ex.23:6,7; Prov.18:5; Ps.119:29; 94:21; Rev.20:9; 18:4)

Now IS the time for learning and being refined (Mal.3:1,2,3; Rev.3:18; Prov.1:23). But immediately...we offer others what we have received (Matt.10:27,28; Luke 12:35), or we will receive no more!

(Matt.21:19; 13:12; John 15:1,2,8). 

WAKE UP!!!!

If you wish to verify your interpretations,

send me the scriptures!
...Not just references to those who have hidden in the past,
but those which prove that we are to hide, how long, and what the signal is to stand up and let the truth set us free.

Your references thus far...

Isaiah 49:2 -"He has made My mouth like a sharp sword, In the shadow of His hand He has concealed Me; And He has also made Me a select arrow, He has hidden Me in His quiver."

    When Christ draws us from his quiver to use us, we'd better be firm,
    sharp, ready, and willing!
    (Eph.6:10-17 >LINK; Luke 10:3; Mark 16:15; Ps.110:1,2,3; 45:5; Luke 10:19; Matt.28:19,20; 21:41)
    When we are assigned within the body of Christ, we already have our
     assignment (Rom.2:7; Prov.12:24; Deut.23:21;  1Cor. 12:18; Rom.12:6,7,8).

Psalms 94:12,13 -"How blessed is the one whom you instruct, O Lord, the one whom you teach from your law, in order to protect him from times of trouble, until the wicked are destroyed."

Do you think the wicked are gone before we should start preaching?

Do you not see that our protection is faith in God's Word (Eph.6:16; James 2:26), so that we are not defeated by the hour of test?
       (Protection is through having and using truth -  2Pet. 1:8, not through hiding)

The "wicked are destroyed" by our preaching!!! (Rev.11:3,5; 12:10-11; Jer.23:29).

That preaching is based upon the truth of God's Word (John 8:28; 16:13).
The subduing of Christ's enemies will not happen, if we are silent and hiding.
Your reference to this very scripture (Ps.94:12,13), enforces that the woman in the wilderness is "protected"/"given relief" from the forces of failure (Rev.12:15) by means of God's instruction.
Why do you view "protection" and "hiding" as the same word?
Armor protects a soldier during battle.
It is our knowledge, faith, hope, and our eternal incorruptibly which are guarded during battle.
Isa.43:2,21
Because of our common sin of idolatry (Rev.13:8,7; Dan.7:21; Rev.9:7,4), we are not being protected from battle (2Chron. 16:9; Dan.11:22; 9:25,26,27).

We are protected...not from our obligation to fight the battle (2Cor. 10:3,4,5; Rev.16:14,15; 17:14; 19:11,14,8), but from spiritual defeat (Rev.2:11;  1John 5:18; John 17:15; Rom.14:4)... a defeat that comes through inactivity (2Pet. 1:8; Matt.25:25,28,29,30). 

Protection from defeat, is not the same as passivity.

If you are not being fed the marriage feast now, not proclaiming what you are learning, are not prepared for battle;

 then you are not yet sealed, nor have you received the full spirit of the truth, nor are you offering the proper food at the proper time.

That will not change if you do not light your lamp and keep it burning 

(Luke 12:35,36; Matt.5:14,15,16; Luke 8:18; Matt.6:22,23; Luke 11:35,23).

The "light" in you (that tells you to hide silently in the dark) is darkness, and you do not know where you are going. (1Cor. 3:18; Jer.26:5,6;  1Thess. 5:1,2,4,5,6,7,12,19,20; John 12:35,36) You are already being called out of Egypt! When will you arise?

Why have you not responded to Matt.24:15,16 and Jer.51:6?
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Once we are "killed" for the sake of truth,
we are victorious. We have won!
Rev.2:10; 6:9,11; 3:3,4; 20:4; Matt.10:32; Rom.6:5

The time for "hiding" is already done.
"Moses" is not a baby anymore.
The time that has passed by is sufficient for growth in the mind of Christ
(Gal.4:19;  1Cor. 3:1,2;  2Pet. 3:18; Col.1:10;  1Cor. 2:16; 14:20; Eph.4:13,14,15).

Do you see the "disgusting thing standing in the holy place", or not?
What did Jesus say?
Matt.24:15,16
(Eze.36:8; 34:14; John 15:8)
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Yet we do not want to "flee" in the way the Organization dictates, by means of a "dissociation letter". 
We do not want to support the accusation that we don't care about God, the Truth, or our former associates 
(Jonah 4:11,10;  1Cor. 3:8,9;  2Cor. 6:1; 5:19,20; Mark 16:20; Phil.2:15;  1Thess. 5:14; Acts 2:40; 20:20,21,22,23,24; Isa.61:3; Matt.15:13; Acts 17:29,30,31; Rom.1:25; Rev.13:8). 

The Organization uses  1John 2:19 to slander our motive. 
Yet Jesus himself "went out" from the religious system of his day (Matt.23:38,39) 
       [and also commands us to 
       (Matt.24:16; Rev.18:4,5;  2John 1:10,11; Eph.5:6,7;  2Tim.3:5;  2Cor.6:17,18)]; 
but not before he bore thorough witness to them! 
(Matt.15:24; 10:6; Acts 3:26; Luke 19:41,42,43,44) 
We must do the same (Eze.33:6; Eph.4:15,25).

1John 2:19 is not speaking of leaving the religious system. It's true reference is speaking of the body of Christ, and the Called and Chosen ones who leave union with that body 
       (Col.2:19;  2Cor. 11:4,13; Rev.2:20;  1Tim. 4:1; 
         Rev.16:13,14,15;  1John 4:1; Matt.24:24,25) 
according to how God has arranged it (1Cor. 12:18,28,29,8; Rom.12:6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16).

We must care about God's commands.
They include, not remaining with the wicked (2Cor. 6:17,18; Rev.18:4; Ps.26:4).
But they also include giving an open witness to all we can, before departing (Eze.2:7,6; 33:6; Acts 20:25,26,27; 13:40,41).

But the Beast/Organization forbids the dispensing ("buying and selling")(Rev.13:17) 
of any spiritual provisions from Christ (Rev.3:18).
                    [Rev.3:18,20; Luke 22:18; Rev.3:20 
                      --not allowing them to "buy" the 
                       "olive oil" and "wine" (Rev.6:6) 

           "olive oil" (SPIRIT): Zech.4:2,3,12,14; Rev.11:4,3; 
                         Matt.25:4; 6:22; John 14:17; Eph.1:18;
                         2Cor. 4:6; 3:18;  1Cor. 12:8

           "wine" (TEACHING): John 15:8,5,15,16; Rev.5:9; 20:12; 1:1;
                    Mark 2:22 (Job 32:18,19,20);
                    Isa.65:8,9,10; 62:8,9; Ps.36:8; 46:4,5;
                    Isa.66:11; 55:12; Eze.36:8;  1Chron. 16:33; Rev.22:2;
                    Ps.144:9; Rev.14:2,3;  1Cor. 14:15 B; Rev.15:3;
                    Amos 9:13; Isa.4:2; 55:2; 25:6; 10:27;
                    Joel 3:18; Jer.31:12; Hosea 14:7; Matt.22:4; John 2:10; Rev.19:9
                    Mark 2:22; Luke 5:39; James 1:21;  1Cor. 3:18;
                    1Cor. 5:7; Col.3:10,16; Acts 3:20; Rev.3:20;
                    Eph.4:21,22,23,24,25; Prov.3:9,10,11,12)], 

To provide spiritual food that is not sanctioned by the Beast, brings the penalty of death (Rev.13:17; 11:7)
(Getting killed/Disfellowshipping)
(Symbolic Death)
Mark 8:35 --(coming-to-life)

For more information about how to "flee" in a way that honors God:

http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/05/warning-letter.html

http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2012/08/here-is-answer-to-comment-that-was-left.html

http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014/04/keep-awake.html

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When to Flee / Peace

A QUESTION:

Good morning sister D

I trust you are well in these trying times. We sure have not spoken in a long time, but I am aware of what you and Obe are going through. May God grant you the wisdom and will necessary for you to endure, you and everyone that is fighting for truth.

I have attached next year's circuit assembly program,  it is about 'peace' I wonder if this in another prophecy being fulfilled.  The organization is sure changing,  they are putting most of their publications on their website,  even the Kindom Ministry,  it is no longer intended for baptized witnesses. I can now see what you meant when you said the emphasis on JW.ORG will not have the desired outcome.

The survey that you put up about the instructions from the GB is spot on, almost all JW members will do everything for them, even 'kill'. Blatant idolatry,  but don't dare say it to their faces.

Please help out on these two scriptures: Rev 18:4 and Luke 21:20-21. When exactly are we to flee/get out of her, are these verses about two different occasions or one?

Well on a lighter note, family is doing well. My wife does show interest at times, ongoing mission to get her to open her eyes and our son is growing up so much

Hope to hear from you soon

Love
Modise

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MY REPLY

Hello Modise,
I am happy to imagine you enjoying the many blessings of fatherhood. Yes, I do remember now your question. It is good you sent it to me again, through this site. My present circumstances are very trying, and I have grown quite forgetful. In prayer, I will do my best to reply to you now.

I see many topics within your letter. The one that stands out to me, is the one about when to flee (and your scriptures cited). Yet your subject is "peace", and a recent campaign of the WT and it's possible association to prophecy.
Perceiving whatever questions I am able to, I will reply to each.

I am not aware of what content will be taught at the circuit assembly, under the subject of "Peace". If I knew what their assertions are going to be, perhaps then I could respond with scriptural comments as a comparison.
Having been a "Jehovah's Witness" for 35 years though, I am familiar with the WT's assertion that true peace with God is attained through an association and subjection to the WT hierarchy; and that peace with God is not possible otherwise, despite God's own assurance 

(James 4:8; 1:5; Luke 11:9-13; Prov.2 <Link).

PEACE

Regarding these two assertions, the scriptures could be explored to discover that peace with God is through Christ, and his body of 144,000.....
Eph.2:13,14 reads;
"13 But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall".
Although this is speaking of the peace Christ brought between Jews and Gentiles...by making them all spiritual Jews, one family through their faith 

(Gal.3:28-29; 6:15-16;  1Thess.5:4-5; Rom.12:5; Eph.4:25,13; 2:15;  1Cor.12:13)...
Christ is still the basis of unity and peace, among all his true followers 

(Eph.4:3-4,5; John 14:27; 16:33; Isa.9:6; Acts 10:36;  2Pet.1:2; Col.3:11,15; 1:20;  1Cor.1:3; Rom.1:7; 5:1).
The anointed body of Christ, his Bride, offer the living teachings of Christ to yet others 

(Isa.52:7; John 8:31; 7:38; Rev.22:17;  1Cor.4:1; Rev.5:10; Mal.2:7; Matt.5:9; Phil.4:9;  1Pet.1:2). 

An accurate understanding of scripture, and the prayer to God by the righteous, brings them comfort and peace (Phil.4:6-7; Rom.14:17; 15:13;  1Cor.14:33;  2Cor.13:11;  1Pet.5:14).
The power of the holy spirit to provide peace through Christ, happened among all these Bible examples, without dependence upon the WT Corporation. It would have us believe that we must become their obedient slaves to have peace with God.

Romans 6:16
"Do YOU not know that if YOU keep presenting yourselves to anyone as slaves to obey him, YOU are slaves of him because YOU obey him, either of sin with death in view or of obedience with righteousness in view?

We clearly see here that we become slaves to those whom we obey. Our only Masters must be God and Christ. It says that obeying (slaving) for anyone else is a sin (with death in view).

Please consider the following scriptures:
1 Corinthians 7:23
"YOU were bought with a price; stop becoming slaves of men.”

Galatians 1:10
"Is it, in fact, men I am now trying to persuade or God? Or am I seeking to please men? If I were yet pleasing men, I would not be Christ’s slave."
(So not only obeying men is wrong...even seeking to please them, is.)

Colossians 3:24
"for YOU know that it is from Jehovah YOU will receive the due reward of the inheritance. SLAVE for the Master, Christ.”

Gal.5:1
"It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery."

Rom.8:15
"The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to son-ship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father."
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Do men have the power to give everlasting life or immortality? Some of them think they do! (and they expect others to act [and worship] accordingly) (Gal.2:4)

Any true and faithful servant of God would never expect the obedience of others for themselves. They would only hope that others would show their obedience to God, his Word, and his Laws. In this way, they will enjoy the peace of God (Isa.48:18,17).
If a proclaimed servant of God expects and enforces something in return (This does not have to be limited to money.), in exchange for spiritual provisions...
then they have become "peddlers of the word" (2Cor.2:17; 4:2;  2Pet.2:3)...merchants in God's Temple (Luke 19:45; John 2:16,15)... seeking their own gain (1Pet.5:2; John 7:18). These disobey the commands of Christ and God (Matt.10:8; 5:44-45,48; James 1:5; Isa.55:1-2; Rev.3:18; 22:17; 19:9; Matt.22:9,10). For it is as if God has generously provided His Son's wedding feast for the benefit of all willing to attend,...
and these peddlers dare to stand outside, charging admission for their own pockets!
We do not owe any man (other than Christ) anything for what God provides.
To expect anything in return (recognition, honor, prominence, subjection, etc.) for being a messenger of heavenly bread or living water, is wrong (Num.20:10,12; Luke 17:10) (Rev.13:17; 6:6; 18:3,23; 22:8-9; 19:10;  1Cor.14:32; Rev.22:6) (Luke 16:2,10-11,12).


If peace were derived from unquestioning obedient subjection to those who take the lead among God's Nation; then why did Christ not give such subjection to the religious leaders of his day?
Jesus did not feel obliged to teach according to the doctrines of those leaders. He regarded God alone, as his teacher (John 12:49). His faithful and true brothers imitate him 

(Matt.10:20,27; John 7:16-17,18;  1Pet.2:21; Gal.1:11-12).
We need not hold to the teachings of men (Matt.15:9; Isa.29:13; Mark 7:7), but must hold to the teachings of Christ (John 8:31; Rom.3:4;  2Tim.3:16-17; Ps.119:104-105;  2Pet.1:19; Rev.22:16; 2:28; Luke 8:18; Rev.3:17,19).

Although the WT claims that they merely forward the teachings of Christ; So many of their arrangements, expectations, behavior, and rules, prove otherwise 

(Isa.29:13; Luke 12:1-2; Rev.22:18-19) (1Sam.8:11-12,13-14,15-16; Rev.18:7,13).
  When they go beyond what is written in the Bible (1Cor.4:6;  2John 1:9), they dare enforce compliance and subjection to them and their human doctrine, through expulsion (which they deem to be spiritual death) (John 16:2; Rev.13:15,8,4). 

They imitate the pompous Scribes and Pharisees, who handed their brother over to Gentiles to be killed! 

(John 8:40; Rev.11:7-8; John 18:29,30; Mark 10:33; Luke 18:32; Rev.11:2; Matt.23:34-35; Rev.18:24)
Even God's own Son did not condemn others to eternal death! (John 3:17; Matt.7:1-2,3; John 12:48-49; Rev.20:12)

Apparently, the WT "elders" are more righteous (Ec.7:16), and have more authority to condemn to Gehenna (John 16:2; Rev.11:7), than Jesus Christ does (Matt.28:18; John 5:22,27; Matt.12:37; Luke 6:45,44; Matt.7:19).
(pearl-disgustingthing.blogspot.com)
We are in reality, simply judged by Truth, as expressed by God through Christ (John 12:48-49; 6:63).
We either believe that truth and teach it, or we pervert and exploit it for our own power and glory (John 7:18,17; 16:13).
That truth will be fully revealed (and those who truly teach it -Rom.8:19), in the time of the end
(Dan.12:4; Rev.20:12; John 16:13-14,8,14; Rev.22:6; 11:3; John 16:13; Rev.22:6; Zech.4:9). Those who don't teach it, will also be revealed (2Thess.2:3,8)
(pearl-newscrolls.blogspot.com)

We must be discerning, when choosing to accept the words of a prophet
(1John4:1; Matt.7:20; 24:4-5; Col.2:8; Rev.13:10,7; 19:20; Phil.2:12;  2Cor.11:3;  1Thess.5:20-21,22;  2Thess.2:1-2,3;  2Cor.11:13; Matt.24:24-25).
(pearl-finetrees.blogspot.com Matt.7:20)
Those who are false, will be destroyed, along with those who follow them
(1Tim.4:1; Rev.16:13-14,15-16; Matt.24:24-25;  2Thess.2:8; John 20:22; Zech.4:6-7; Dan.8:25; Eze.14:10; Rev.13:11,15,8).
The "peace" touted by the unfaithful "merchants", will not last 

(Jer.6:14;  1Thess.5:3; Isa.28:15,18; 47:7,9,10,11; Rev.18:7,8; Ps.69:22; Eze.13:10).
(http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/08/whats-wrong-with-peace-and-security.html)

Jesus made clear, that it is God alone whom we must serve (Matt.4:10; 22:37; Isa.40:18,25; 48:11; 42:8). We may think we can exchange our worship of God, to a worship of those whom we believe to represent Him; but this act is not acceptable to God. Yet, it was prophesied to happen in the time of the end (Rev.13:8; Jer.7:9-10; 25:27-28,29-30; Rev.14:19).
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God warns us about false leaders/wicked stewards, who prophesy peace to His people, when peace with God does not truly exist, due to sin 

(Jer.23:16-17,15; Rev.8:11; Deut.29:18; Jer.14:15; Rev.6:8; Zech.13:1-2; Isa.30:22; Rev.13:15,8; 19:20). 

  (whats-wrong-with-peace-and-security.html)

Such idolatrous sin exists today, as fervent and loyal "JW's" worship the Beast Organization and it's  Governors (Rev.17:1-2,6,15,18) who seek glory for themselves, not for God 

(Rev.2:20; Isa.1:21; 59:3,14-15; 48:1-2; 58:2,1; Rev.8:6; Jer.2:20; Titus 1:16; Hosea 11:12; Isa.10:22; Jer.44:14; Hosea 1:10; Joel 2:32;  1Pet.3:20; Luke 17:26,30).

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(http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/02/jehovahs-genuine-mountain.html)
(http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/01/imagine-yourself-back-in-first-century.html)
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WHEN TO FLEE

Rev.18:4
"4 Then I heard another voice from heaven say:
“‘Come out of her, my people,’
    so that you will not share in her sins,
    so that you will not receive any of her plagues"
(see Jer.51:6)

Luke 21:20,21
"20 “When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. 21 Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city."

Jerusalem will be split open in the time of the end 

(Luke 21:11; Jer.6:1; Amos 1:1; Zech.14:1-2,3-4,5,7-8,9; Rev.6:12; 8:5; 11:13,19; 16:18).
At that time, the "earth" and the works in it, will be discovered/revealed/exposed (2Pet.3:10; Isa.33:14).
The "heavens" who rule over God's people, will be removed 

(2Pet.3:11-12,13-14; Matt.23:12; Job 22:29; Dan.4:17; Rev.11:12;  1Pet.5:6; Mal.3:18).
BOTH aspects/"sides" of Jerusalem will be "surrounded by armies".

The "armies" that surround "Jerusalem" in the time of the end, are the locust scorpions of Rev.9:7,3
  (Isa.33:4;  2Chron.7:13-14,19-20,21-22; Dan.11:38; Rev.2:20; Jer.46:22-23,24; Rev.11:8; Jer.51:14; Joel 2:1; 1:4; Nahum 3:15-16,17). 

(see: https://the-greatest-tribulation-why.html) (Eze.2:6; Luke 10:19)

 (tails-stingers-scorpions-rev910.html)

That locust scorpion army is also allegorized as Gog and Magog (Rev.20:7-8,9; Luke 21:20)

They are spiritual Gentiles...meaning that they are not spiritual Jews (the anointed) (Rom.2:28-29).
(http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/01/what-is-jew-what-is-gentile-answers-to.html)

-- (Note: In comparing 2Chron.7:22 and Dan.11:38 above, can you see that those who forsake the God of their ancestors, are NOT worldly political governments? The "disgusting thing" is a sin of God's own people!)

These "Gentiles" first trample the HOLY City (directed and empowered to do so by the unfaithful Harlot)...
(Rev.11:2; 17:6; Dan.8:24;  2Thess.2:4;  1Cor.3:16)
    (trample-how-does-it-happen.html)
...And then the UNFAITHFUL City/Harlot gets trampled by those whom she used to direct and endorse.
[Eze.16:2,15,24,26,28-29,30,32,35-36,37-38,39; Rev.17:1,6,16-17,18; (Rev.5:10); Rev.18:8,18,20,24; Matt.23:35,37-38]
The very Gentile Beast who served the Harlot and gave her the power to judge and destroy Christ's brothers (by means of her Gentile Beast -Rev.11:7; 13:15), will then turn on "her" (Rev.17:16-17).

So then, what about Luke 21:20?

When we see the chosen ones "surrounded" by Gentiles, due to the Gentile's desire to conquer the Holy Ones (Rev.13:7; Luke 21:20-21);
then it is time to flee.
They will not stop with their condemnation of the least of Christ's brothers.
God will also put it into their heart to turn on the "greatest" of his brothers also...
those who have taken power in this world to dominate and oppress their fellow slaves 

(Matt.24:49;  1Cor.4:8,10,12-13,18-19; Luke 16:2; Rev.18:7-8,14,18,20;  1John2:15; Dan.11:37-38).

To clarify this, Matt.24:15-16 supplements Luke 21:20-21.
Note what Jesus said, at Matt.24:15-16...
“So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains."
If you examine the context to Matt.24:15,16 and Luke 21:20,21; You will see that they are identical.
It is no mistake to combine these two scriptures.
So then,
to see "Jerusalem" surrounded by Gentiles (Luke 19:43), is associated with a "disgusting thing, standing in a Holy Place". We are directed by Jesus to examine Daniel for understanding this disgusting thing (Matt.24:15).
(Dan.9:27; 11:31;  2Thess.2:4; Rev.11:2)
   The "abomination"/"disgusting thing", conquers the Remnant of Holy Ones,  
   just as the "Wild Beast" does (Rev.13:7,18). These are two of many scriptural
   manifestations of the same identity.
WHEN YOU SEE/perceive THIS REALITY,
IT IS TIME TO FLEE, according to Jesus (Matt.24:15-16; Luke 21:20-21).
The attack and expulsion of the faithful and them fleeing to the Judean Mountains in the wilderness, is then followed by the collapse of the entire unfaithful "City"/"Temple", just as occurred in first century Jerusalem.
(http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/05/first-wallthen-entire-temple.html)

Jesus tells us, in reference to this fleeing,
"On that day, let no one who is on the housetop, with possessions inside, go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything. 32 Remember Lot’s wife! 33 Whoever tries to keep their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life will preserve it." (Luke 17:31-33)

 

If you, or anyone, perceives the anointed being surrounded, trampled, dominated, subverted, and enslaved to those not anointed (Gentiles)...
or if you perceive that God's Temple priesthood has been given over to those not chosen by God for that position
(Eze.44:6-7,8-9;  2 Chronicles 23:6-7; Numbers 18:7; Mal.2:7),
[such as non-anointed elders who disfellowship anointed who remain faithful to Christ and scriptural truth (Rom.8:33; John 16:2; Matt.25:40) (Rom.8:33;  1Cor.6:1-2,3)],
then you see the disgusting thing, "where it does not belong" (Mark.13:14)!

The Wild Beast/locust-scorpions/man of lawlessness/disgusting thing...
is willing to take over God's Temple priesthood, and "kill" them for the ruling Harlot, because she is the "bestower of crowns"/(power/authority) (Isa.23:8; Rev.9:3,7).
 Apparently, the cowardice of the Harlot prevents her from directly confronting her brothers in Christ. She refuses to meet with them personally over these differences of opinion. (Matt.18:25; Isa.50:8; 54:17; Luke 10:19). The scriptures must prevail in all matters of judgment. Yet the elders and GB do not want to hear the scriptures. They are only interested in whether or not you are in subjection to them and that you worship the Organization. The Harlot sends her henchmen to enforce the idolatry.
If you do not submit,
you will be "killed" (Rev.13:15; 11:7; John 16:2; Rev.6:9-10,11; 12:10-11; 20:4).

This splitting and division between the remnant of the Chosen Ones (Matt.13:30), is the whole essence of Armageddon [1Tim.4:1; Rev.16:13-14,15-16; 17:14; 19:11,14,8 -(Rev.6:11; 3:5) Rev.19:19-20]. 

This warfare is "necessary" (1Cor.11:18-19; Matt.24:6), to complete the harvest of the "earth" (Rev.14:15-16; Matt.24:6; Dan.9:26; Gen.3:15) and the impeachment of Satan (Rev.12:10-11; 6:9).

(armageddon.html)

(http://pearl-disgustingthing.blogspot.com/)
(http://armageddon-obadiah.blogspot.com/2013_01_01_archive.html)

If you would like more understanding about when to flee,
I suggest a study of the scriptures cited in many posts at http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/
Go to the search-box to the right, and enter "flee".
You will find a few pages of results.
This one in particular, may prove helpful:
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    (FLEE - Where?)

Thank you for your vital and good question.
I apologize for the delay in replying.
Please pray for me and my divine assignment.
It grows increasingly difficult to accomplish. Yet God's spirit is the source of His will being accomplished, not our own strength
(2Cor.12:9-10;  2Chron.32:7-8; Zech.4:6; Dan.2:34; Isa.51:1; Hosea 1:7; Isa.2:11; 30:1; Jer.17:5).


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