Saturday, August 29, 2015

Tormented Forever in the Lake of Fire


ADDITION to"Will the Wicked Suffer?"
as follows...

If you are familiar with Rev.14:11...
 "And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”
AND
Rev20:10...
 "The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever."
 ...and feel confused by this seeming contradiction to the wicked being destroyed;
then please keep in mind that Rev.1:1 states that "Revelation" is written in symbolic terms 
(See Greek of Rev.1:1).
What does it mean to be tormented in the "lake of fire" forever?
Rev.20:14 tells us...
 "Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."

Why "second" death, instead of first death?
Jesus said,
"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell ("Gehenna")." (Matt.10:28)

The first death, is physical ("body").
The "second death", is by the One who judges (and can kill) the soul.
The basis for that judgment, is by means of the teachings of Christ....
Jesus said;
 "There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my wordsthe very words I have spoken will judge them at the last day." (John12:48)

How are the damning words of Christ, the same as the "lake of fire"?
Jesus Christ IS the Word of God. All God's teachings are made available to us, 
to accept or reject,
by means of God's "Word", the Bible (John1:1,14).
Note what the words of God (through Christ) are compared to...

 "Is not my word like fire," declares the LORD, "and like a hammer that breaks a rock in pieces?" (Jer.23:29)
 "Therefore I cut you in pieces with my prophets, killed you with the words of my mouth-- then my judgments go forth like the sun." (Hosea 6:5)
 "Therefore this is what the LORD God Almighty says: "Because the people have spoken these words, I will make my words in your mouth a fire and these people the wood it consumes." (Jer.5:14NIV)
 "And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner." (Rev.11:5)

I hope you discern from the foregoing scriptures,
that the "lake of fire" / "hell",
are God's judgments / condemnation,
by means of God's Word ("fire").
(2Pet.3:7,10-13)
Those who do not obey the Bible, are judged worthy of the "second death" ("Lake of Fire").
According to Jesus, this condemnation by God,
is the death of the soul. (Matt.10:28)
That death results from a loss of God's favor, and His abandonment of you, to the Destroyer (Satan). When condemnation is based upon the standards set out by God's Word, one is consigned to that Word's just condemnation ("fire").
One's works are compared to that perfect standard, and the day of light exposes God's verdict 
(Luke 8:17; 1Cor.3:13-15; 4:5; 2Thess.1:7; Rev.20:12; Dan.7:9,22).

God repays the wicked with their own wickedness.
(for scriptural proof, see: wicked-suffer?)
    (The wicked do not burn people forever, 
     so according to God's perfect justice, 
     neither will they literally burn forever.)
"Jehovah's Witnesses" are taught that God is not sadistic, and does not desire to burn people forever.
The basis of that "Jehovah's Witness" belief, is Jer.7:31, where God says....
 "They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire--something I did not command, nor would such a thing ever enter my mind."

The "the Valley of 'Ben Hinnom' " (Hebrew) 
       (where children were burned as a sacrifice to the false God, "Molech"),
is another name for the place "Gehenna" 
("Ben Hinnom" translated into Greek), 
and is the same place that most Bible translators, translate as "Hell". 
"Gehenna" is the word Jesus used, at Matt.10:28, above (that is usually translated as "hell").
In the King James version, Rev.20:14 reads;
 "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."
Note that "hell" is also cast into the lake of fire. Is "hell" cast into hell?
No. "Hell", is also destroyed forever. 
Yet this Greek word at Rev.20:14 was not "Gehenna". 
It was "Hades". This is the realm of those considered spiritually dead 
       (also the abyss/sea/deep/"Sheol" -Hebrew). 
It contains both those physically living, and physically dead.
When God's judgment of the "spiritual dead" is completed, there will be no further need for a holding pen, 
for those who await God's condemnation ("fire")(2Pet.2:4; 3:7).
Those left standing after the final judgment, will live forever,
because they have repented, and have obeyed the words of Christ (Luke8:11,15; 1John2:14).
 "The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you--they are full of the Spirit and life." (John6:63).
Those who have no room for Christ's word in their hearts (John8:37,40; Acts3:22-24), will remain under God's condemnation ("fire"), forever...
their legacy of shame will last forever, as recorded in the everlasting Word of God, which prophesied about them aforetime (Isa.46:10; 40:8; 48:3; Acts 15:18; 2Pet.1:21; Mark13:31; 2Pet.3:7) (Dan.12:2; Isa.66:24; Rev.20:12-15).

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Friday, August 7, 2015

When are the full 144,000 completed?

What follows is a post from the Forum.
I thought I would also post it here, for the added benefit of the pop-up scriptures. The forum did not allow me to make edits and additions.
Please read the scriptures as you come to them.
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Dear Daz and Peely,
I think I have been given the answer that may address your questions:
(Daz)-- "May I ask, do you think/believe that all of the chosen are aware that they ARE indeed Chosen or do you think that there are some who are still to be awoken to this. Are there ones STILL being Chosen/Anointed?"
(Peely)-- "I wonder the same things that you asked, Daz. Are there ones still being anointed?"
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Please let me know if my reply here, is sufficient. I was given Rev.6:9-11 and Rev.19:2, and will explain below, how they provide our answer.
I have read and meditated on those verses before, but never saw this aspect of the information they contain. I am amazed at how a deeper consideration of God's words, contain so many riches within such seeming simplicity.

The first verses, are Rev.6:9-11...
"When he opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God and the testimony they had maintained. They called out in a loud voice, “How long, Sovereign Lord, holy and true, until you judge the inhabitants of the earth and avenge our blood?” Then each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to wait a little longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers and sisters, were killed just as they had been."

[Here we are told that those sealed (given white robe) are those who have been slain (
Rev.12:11; 20:4) (Rom.6:3-5; Phil.3:10), for their faithful testimony of truth

ALL ("everyone" / "anyone") who slay the faithful, believe that they are serving God (John 16:2)... including the Wild Beast (Rev.11:7; 13:15). Therefore, these "killers" (Jer.4:31; Isa.42:14; 1:21), are not secular, but religious, just as was the case with Christ (Matt.15:24; John 15:22-25; John 15:18-20; 8:40) (John 19:4,6,10-12,15). We are cast out as apostate, just as he was (Mark 13:13; Rev.11:7-10; Heb.13:13). We must follow the same path of being tested "in the wilderness" by Satan (Matt.4:1; Rev.12:14; 17:3) (Luke 22:31; John 16:33; 16:2-4, 16:20-22; Matt.24:8-9, 21-25), in order to finish our course, prove faithful (or not), and be sealed in the heavens (1Pet. 2:21; Rev.14:4). These facts establish to us, that if the opportunity to take this full path of Christ is past, so is the opportunity to be chosen, tested, and sealed.]

So the question is, when is that opportunity, over and past?
Please focus on the bold words of Rev.6:10...
"And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?”
Here we are pointedly being told, that the slain are asking when their blood will be avenged.


The reply? (Rev.6:11)
11 Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed."
Here, we are pointedly told, that the blood will be avenged,
when the number to be sealed is completed.
From these two facts, we glean that when we see God avenging the blood of his servants, we know the number is completed.
Do you also deduce this, and see it clearly?

Okay, now the other scripture I was given, is Rev.19:2...
"For true and righteous are His judgments, because He has judged the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication; and He has avenged on her the blood of His servants shed by her.
(
2Kings 9:7; Rev.2:20)

Here we are clearly taught, that when we see that the harlot is judged by God, it is God's vengeance upon her, for shedding the blood of His servants, whose deaths, she ordered (Rev.13:11,15; 18:24).
When we see the Beast and ten kings, turn on the Harlot, it is because God has directed it, to avenge the blood of His servants
(
Rev.17:16-17;  2Thess. 1:6; Rev.18:20,6).

When we see this occur, we know, that all those to be sealed, are already so.
There is no more choosing, testing, or sealing. This also infers, that the ten kings who remained with the Beast, are also sealed as having lost their crown.

They voluntary surrendered it, to the abomination in which they put their faith (Rev.17:13; Rom.1:25), instead of subjecting their authority and power, to God (Rev.4:10-11).

Among us, we already perceive God's judgment of the Harlot. Therefore, among us who have been slain by the beast, we are either already sealed, 

or 
If we have not completed this path of Christ... we still need to. 
Once the Harlot is attacked, it is past the point of being chosen, tested, or sealed, by being killed by the Beast (Rev.11:7; 6:9), for our testimony to God's wayward Nation. 
This does not mean that the opportunity is past, for all Christ's disciples (Chosen and not) to join in that testimony. Jesus told the faithful anointed, to direct all Christ's disciples to perform the same commands of Christ which they themselves obey and perform, including bearing witness to truth (Matt.28:19-20;  2Tim. 4:2;  1Cor. 9:16; Rom.1:16;  1Tim. 4:16; Rev.22:17). 
In this way, the one directly sent by God, is accepted, recognized, and heeded by all such disciples (John 13:20; Matt.10:40-41; Rom.6:17;  2Cor. 2:14;  2Tim. 1:13;  1Tim. 4:15-16).

It is necessary for all who become heirs, to accept the Steward Christ has appointed over his household, whether that Steward proves faithful or not (Gal.4:1-6,7-8; Eze.28:9;  2Thess. 2:4) (Matt.24:45-46, 48-51; Hosea 6:5; Rev.11:5) It is only after accepting the authority of wicked steward/false prophet/Harlot, and it's Beast, that one may be symbolically killed (disfellowshipped) by that steward's Beast (for taking a stand for the truth), 
thereby completing the course of Christ without a physical death being necessary. 
One can not be symbolically killed (disfellowshipped), if one was never baptized into the Beast.
One cannot be symbolically killed (disfellowshipped) for a testimony to the truth of Christ, if already expelled for genuine sin (1Pet. 2:19-22; 3:17).
I suppose that if one had been chosen and did not accept subjection under God's wicked Steward [and become baptized into the beast, and then "killed" (disfellowshipped) by the Beast], it may be possible that a physical death awaits some for carrying out this final witness.
(https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2015/05/the-final-witness.html

If such should occur, the requirement for becoming sealed could be satisfied in a literal way, enabling that one to complete this full course of Christ, before the demise of the Harlot. Once her demise is executed, the door to join the "144000" is shut. God's vengeance has already been released on the Harlot, indicating that the group is completed (Rev.6:10-11; 19:2).

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Tuesday, June 16, 2015

The Greatest Tribulation -- What and Why?

[NOTE: If you wish to listen to the meetings which review this post, there are approximately 9 of them, starting with this meeting link of 22/09/2000: (https://soundcloud.com/user-192860936/25-sep-2022-17-21-47-edt-1lghaesnxnec-2). Please be patient with the introduction, because the meetings are sometimes open to initial questions that are discussed before this post's material.
The meeting recordings that cover this post are dated between September and December. There are also a few other discussion recordings, peppered into that period. The title on each recording, should indicate the content within each recording.]
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At Matt. 24:21; Jesus said concerning a development at the time of his return,
"For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will again."

Here Jesus confides that the type of distress which occurs at that time, will have never been preceded, nor will it be repeated.
Many have contemplated and expounded on what manner and form in which this "great tribulation" will manifest itself. Such opinions point to it's source as being economic, warfare, famine, natural disasters, spiritual persecution and disintegration of morality.   
  While Jesus does list these conditions as concurrent symptomology of the great tribulation, these conditions are symbolic (Signs), and only secondary manifestations of the Great Tribulation. They are not the root cause.
Why do I say this?
First, many object to these "signs" as being unique to the "last days" (Matt. 24:3;  2Tim. 3:1). When interpreted in a physical and literal sense, that is correct. Mankind's woes have existed since Adam and Eve were expelled from Eden 
(Gen. 3:17-18; Heb. 6:8-9; Rom. 8:18-22; Job 14:1-2).
Some assert that what makes these literal "signs" unique to the last days, is the unprecedented degree in which they occur. Although these woes have intensified in modern times, one must remember, that Satan controls the world and all that takes place within it (1John 5:19; Rev. 12:9,12). He can certainly increase such woes upon the planet (Rev. 12:12 B), in order to fulfill a literal and false interpretation of the signs Jesus listed (Matt. 13:10,11; Mark 4:34; Matt. 24:3) 
(pearl-sign.blogspot.com).

The only way to achieve an authentic interpretation of Christ's description of the time of the end 
(and the manifestation/appearance, of his "presence"/coming - 2Thess. 2:8), 
is if the scriptures themselves are used as the means to arrive at one's interpretation.
The scriptures provide much information about this time period. All that information is a part of the whole picture, and as pieces of a puzzle, those pieces of information should not be compartmentalized, but must be assembled into a whole before an accurate image is perceptible. Then we will know where each piece fits, and how each piece relates to the other pieces.

In fact, every description of the last days is speaking of the same scenario. Once we grasp that, scriptural details converge, and the whole harmonious truth, emerges.

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A literal puzzle piece usually has four sides. One must seek out where one side fits with one side of another piece. As more pieces are similarly matched up, other nearby pieces also fit additional sides, until there are no more gaps and the last pieces and all their sides, fit perfectly. Things are the most confusing, right at the start. Yet, we must start someplace. I will start at Matt. 24:21.
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If we examine that verse as if it were a puzzle piece, we see that on one of it's "sides", it asserts that the great tribulation is a singular, unique situation. Now we need to search the scriptures for a matching side. Where else in the Bible, is this unique, singular situation mentioned? 
In the book of Joel, (which also describes the time of the end), we find our match. As we assemble this puzzle, each found piece adds more information to the whole picture.

"A day of darkness and gloom,
A day of clouds and thick darkness.
As the nightfall is spread over the mountains,
So there is a great and mighty army;
There has never been anything like it,
Nor will there be again after it
To the years of many generations." Joel 2:2 (NIV)
Joel 2:2 Jer. 13:16 ("Dusk", not "Dawn">LINK)
Joel 2:2 (ESV) Joel 2:5 (ESV) Joel 2:7 (ESV)
(See Dan. 12:1) When we connect these two verses, we learn that the great tribulation/testing/sifting, is the result of "a great and mighty army" (Jer. 4:5-7,9-13,16-21,27-28; Rev. 13:4,7; Dan. 7:19,23 c). It is the threat and power of this abominable army, and the desolation it causes to God's people (upon God's people (< LINK) - 1Pet. 2:10,9), that is unprecedented (Matt. 24:15; Dan. 7:7,19,23,24; 2:40). The spiritual darkness/thick gloom (John 12:35;  1John 1:6) that this army spreads (Rev. 9:2,3; Joel 2:2 (NIV) ; Jer. 13:16), is so insurmountable and overwhelming, that the salvation of God's Chosen Ones, is then threatened (tails-stingers-scorpions
(Rev. 13:7; Dan. 8:10-11; Rev. 11:2; 13:10; Luke 21:24; Isa. 63:18; Matt. 5:13). 
(https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/09/trample-how-does-it-happen.html)
(https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/05/why-jesus-came-to-earth-last-world.html)
As Jesus continues in Matt. 24:22,24...

"Unless those days had been cut short (Job 18:7; Ps. 89:45; 102:23; Rev. 12:12; 20:3), no life would have been saved* (Matt. 19:25-26; Luke 13:23-24; 18:26-27; Matt. 7:14-15); but for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short (2Thess. 2:8; Rev. 20:9; 11:5; 12:10,11) (Matt. 24:22; Rev. 3:10; Luke 22:53)
For false Christs and false prophets will arise (Matt. 7:15; 24:4-5,11,24-25; Rev. 19:20; 2:20; 13:11,15,7; Dan. 8:11-12;  2Thess. 2:4,9-12) and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, *if possible, even the elect.".
(2Cor. 11:3-4,20; Rev. 2:20; Col. 2:8; Rev. 13:10; 14:12)
(Matt. 19:25-26 * --men are mislead by Satan, without the protection of God.)

When a puzzle piece is correctly placed, all sides match up. We detect such compatibility, if we look at another "side" of Joel 2:2 (NIV) ....

"A day of darkness and gloom,
A day of clouds and thick darkness.
As the nightfall is spread over the mountains,
So there is a great and mighty army;
There has never been anything like it,
Nor will there be again after it
To the years of many generations."

This matches up with another side of Matt. 24:29...
“But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken."
(also Joel 2:10) (Isa. 59:9-10)
The darkness of this army, is able to snuff out, even the symbolic heavenly luminaries 
(Rev. 22:16; Dan. 12:3; Phil. 2:15; Dan. 8:11,25; Ps. 107:10).

We have matched up two pieces, but we can branch out to add more to Joel's army. What army exists in the time of the end, that is so fearsome and powerful, that they and their darkness "spreads over the mountains" (Jer. 13:16-17) like a swarm of locusts (Amos 5:18; Zeph. 1:15), leaving nothing living behind them but a swath of death? 
(Joel 2:3-5,9-10,17,31-32; 1:4,6,12,19)(Joel 2:3;  1Cor. 15:26; Rev. 6:8)
[ Rev.9:3,5;  1Cor. 15:55 (NKJV )]
    [meaning of mountains/hills: 
(Rev. 17:9 (NKJV) Rev. 17:9-10; Matt. 5:14-15; Rev. 8:8-12)]
We also find matching informational pieces about the time of the end, in the book of Revelation. This is where we can find more information about this unprecedented army, which overtakes the remnant of God's people in the time of the end 
(Rev. 13:7; Dan. 8:17,11,13; Rev. 11:2; Dan. 11:35,31-33; Rev. 13:10; Luke 21:24; Col. 2:8; Matt. 24:15-16).

One "side" of Joel's puzzle piece tells us, that the soldiers in this army, have teeth like lions (Joel 1:6; Rev. 13:2; 9:8; Ps. 57:4,3; Dan. 8:10; Luke 21:24; Rev. 11:2; Dan. 7:7; Rev. 13:1), swarm like locusts (Joel 1:4), cause the sky and mountains to darken (Joel 2:2 (ESV) Joel 2:10), look like war horses (Joel 2:4), cause people anguish and torment (Joel 2:6) a devouring fire accompanies them (Joel 1:19-20; 2:3,5), and they attack God's own people (Joel 2:18,32; 1:6; Mal. 2:1-2).

Do we find matching pieces in Revelation's description of this unprecedented army, which will add to our completing the picture?

Joel 1:6 ----- Rev. 9:8
Joel 1:4 ----- Rev. 9:3 ("scorpions" -Eze. 2:6; Luke 10:19-20)
Joel 2:2 (ESV) Joel 2:10 ----- Rev. 9:2-3 (Isa. 48:10)
Joel 2:4 ----- Rev. 9:7,17,19
Joel 2:5 ----- Rev. 9:9
Joel 2:6 ----- Rev. 9:5-6
Joel 2:3 ----- Rev. 9:18,20 (Zech. 13:8-9; Isa. 48:10; Rev. 2:16; 13:10)
Joel 1:6* ----- Rev. 9:4; 7:3 (my land=unsealed=not yet sealed)
*("a nation has invaded  *my land" -Joel 1:6; Jer. 5:17,18,19) 
  (1Cor. 3:9; John 15:1; 14:23
*("world-earth-home")

More sides are matching up, and the picture is growing.
Now we can see why such great tribulation comes upon God's people (who are not yet sealed). They face an alliance (iron+and+clay Dan. 2:40-43) that is stronger than any foe they have ever faced in all history 
(Rev. 12:17; 13:1,4,11,14-15; 11:7; 6:9,11) (Rev. 16:13-16; 19:19-20).
Jesus said that if our time of unsealed captivity and trampling under them... 
    (Col. 2:8;  2Cor. 11:20; Rev. 2:20; Micah 3:5; Rev. 13:10,7; 11:2; 9:4,10) (Obey men?
...were not cut short, none would be saved 
(Matt. 24:22; 7:13-14; Luke 13:23-24; 18:26-27). 
(Matt. 24:22; Rev. 3:10; Luke 22:53)
  [As each one begs God for rescue, the power is removed/cut short for them as individuals. -- Think of the life of a hurricane. As long as that storm lasts, it lashes those under its influence, yet it does not hit all towns, houses, or people at the same time. Its power ends (is cut short) where its influence ends, even though the storm may still be raging for others.]
For the sake of the remnant (whose salvation must also be threatened), Christ will intervene 
(Jer. 31:7; Luke 1:78; Rev. 22:16; 2:28; Mal. 4:2;  2Pet. 1:19; Isa. 60:1; Luke 1:78; Acts 3:20-21; Dan. 12:1; Rev. 12:7,11; 17:14). 

Those set free (John 8:32,36; Isa. 61:1; 42:7; Luke 4:18; Joel 2:25-27) 
can then join Christ / (Michael -Rev. 12:7), in the battle for truth and freedom 
(Rev. 2:2;  2Cor. 10:4,5; Eph. 6:11-17; 2:6; Rev. 19:14; 17:14; 20:9; 11:5; Jer. 23:29; 25:29).

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If we were to pursue more scriptural "sides" to these pieces, we could match up every side with more detailed information, causing our perceptions and understanding of the last day scenario and it's time of tribulation, to expand. 
We would learn that this flooding army is also the fourth beast described by the prophet Daniel (Dan. 7:7,19-27; 2:40-44; Dan. 8:17,19), by John (Rev. 11:2; 13:1,5-7; 17:12,14) and by most of the prophets (Hab. 1:7-11; Eze. 38:16; 35:5; Jer. 23:20; 12:10,11; Amos 8:10; 4:2; Micah 5:4; 4:1; Hosea 3:5; Mal. 3:1-3; Ps. 66:10-12; Isa. 2:2-4,11-12,18-19,22; 51:23; Zech. 13:8-9; 1Cor. 3:13) (Rev. 6:7-8; Eze. 5:17,8,11; 14:21-23,5).

(1Cor. 10:11,6;  2Pet. 1:19; Rom. 15:4;  1Tim. 4:1; Rev. 16:14-15,13,16; 17:14)

"For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will again." (Matt. 24:21)

So there is a great and mighty army;
There has never been anything like it,
Nor will there be again after it
To the years of many generations." (Joel 2:2 (NIV) -b)
(Joel 1:2)

The Great Tribulation is a spiritual assault by Satan upon the remnant 
(Rev. 12:17; 20:7-10; 16:13-16;  1Tim. 4:1; Luke 21:20-22) 
(1,000 years -- When?), 
through the greatest spiritual foe and Army that has ever existed 
[Rev. 13:1,4; 11:2; 9:7,10; Luke 22:31; 21:20-22,24; Mark 13:14 -(Num. 18:7); Matt. 24:15-16]
  It has a deceptive, dominating, priestly - princely veneer... 
(Jer. 7:4,8; Eze. 44:6-9; Rev. 9:7; Nahum 3:17)
(Dan. 11:21; Ecc. 10:5-7;  2Cor. 11:20,4; Matt. 5:13; Dan. 8:10-13; 7:7,19,21,23; Jer. 12:10; Joel 2:3) 
...of divine inspiration*** and approval, through endorsement by the false prophet's lying spirit, not by God's spirit! 
(Dan. 8:24; Rev. 13:14,15; 19:20) ("Disgusting Thing" -Mark 13:14; Matt. 24:15
(Rev. 2:2;  2Cor. 11:13-15;  2Tim. 3:5,13; Matt. 7:15;  1Tim. 4:1; Rev. 16:14,13,15; 19:20; Matt. 24:24,25; Rev. 13:15--***"breath" -John 20:22)
(*** False prophet produces a counterfeit of "God's spirit - directed Organization")
(https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2018/02/who-is-false-prophet-who-gives-breath.html)
[The authentic Temple of God's spirit, is His Chosen, anointed priesthood 
(1Cor. 3:16;  2Cor. 6:16;  1Pet. 2:10,9,5; Eph. 2:20-22)]

God sends / allows this abomination, to assault and discipline His wayward people (Heb. 12:6) (Isa. 42:24; Dan. 9:12; Joel 2:25 C; Joel 2:11; Mal. 3:2; Zech. 13:8-9; Rev. 9:18,20-21; Mark 8:35; Eze. 6:9-10; 14:22-23; Joel 3:17) (Zech. 13:9; Rev. 8:7; 9:18,2; Isa. 48:10; Job 23:10), because in the time of the end, 
God's people are tolerating, subjecting themselves to, and participating in idolizing, the collective "Image" of that very Army (Rev. 13:14-15,7-8; 2:20; Matt. 24:24-25; Luke 21:24; Rev. 14:12). 
That is why they are being trampled by it (Ec. 10:7; Prov. 25:26;  2Cor. 11:4,20; Matt. 5:13; Luke 21:24,22; Rev. 11:2; 13:10,7 Isa. 51:23;  2Cor. 11:20,4,3,2; Mal. 3:2-3; Zech. 13:9; Rev. 2:5; 3:3; 13:5-7; 2:20;  1Cor. 10:18;  1Tim. 1:20;  1Cor. 5:5; 11:32; Heb. 12:5-11; Rev. 3:19; Eze. 14:4-5).   

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Monday, June 8, 2015

"Your King Comes to You on a donkey and a foal."


"Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout in triumph, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your king is coming to you; He is just and endowed with salvation, Humble, and mounted on a donkey, Even on a colt, the foal of a donkey." (Zech.9:9)

This scripture tells us, that a time arrives in which the virgins daughters of the Covenant "Jerusalem" (Gal.4:26) will rejoice in their triumph. They will obtain salvation through the arrival of their king. That arrival is upon a donkey and it's foal.
Was this scripture completely fulfilled in the first century?
No. It points to another arrival of Christ. How do we know?
I suggest a full reading of Zech.9, and a consideration of how it describes the final arrival of Christ. 
For now, I will quote some of the preceding and following verses...

"14 Then the LORD will appear over them (Luke 21:27; Heb.12:1;  1Thess.3:13); his arrow will flash like lightning (Ps.45:5; Matt.24:27). The Sovereign LORD will sound the trumpet (1Thess.4:16; Joel 2:1; Rev.8:6; 10:7; 11:15;  1Cor.14:8; Eze.33:3; Num.10:9; Rev.17:14; 19:11,14; 16:13,14; Matt.24:31; Isa.58:1; 27:13); he will march in the storms of the south (explained later)
16 The LORD their God will save his people on that day as a shepherd saves his flock (Phil.3:20; Zeph.3:19). They will sparkle in his land like jewels in a crown (Rev.12:1;  1Thess.2:19-20; Rev.1:20; 10:5-7).
8 But I will encamp at my temple (Rev.21:3) to guard it against marauding forces (Dan.12:1; Joel 2:2,4,1; 1:4; Rev.9:7,9,10). Never again will an oppressor overrun my people (Rev.13:7,10; 11:2; Mark.13:14) (Rev.20:9; 11:5), for now I am keeping watch." (Gen.28:15; Heb.4:16; 13:7; Rev.21:3; 22:3; Jer.29:10-11,12; Isa.40:9-10; Rev.22:12)
These things were not fulfilled in the first century.

Did you note, that this is a time for spiritual war (14)?
...a day of salvation and vindication? (16)
...a day of protection and release from oppression, that would last forever? (8)

Zech.9:9 describes the final arrival of Christ. 
The relevant details that verse contains then, are worthy of our understanding.
Why does verse 9 tell us that Christ's arrival, is...
"Humble, and mounted on a donkey, Even on a colt, the foal of a donkey."?
Some believe that Jesus arrives on only one donkey.
What is the truth?
Consider Matt.21:5...
"Say to Daughter Zion, 'See, your king comes to you, gentle and riding on a donkey, and on a colt, the foal of a donkey."
This is consistent with Matt.21:1-3...
"When they had approached Jerusalem and had come to Bethphage, at the Mount of Olives, then Jesus sent two disciples, 2 saying to them, "Go into the village opposite you, and immediately you will find a donkey tied there and a colt with her; untie them and bring them to Me. 3 "If anyone says anything to you, you shall say, 'The Lord has need of them,' and immediately he will send them."


Such details are important to us, because God considered them worthy of recording as a part of prophecy. They contain significant meaning for those present at the final arrival of Christ, which all these verses, describe.

Matt.21 
1 When they had approached Jerusalem and had come to Bethphage (Béthphagé: "house of unripe figs," -Matt.21:19; John 15:6), at the Mount of Olives (Zech.4:11-12,14; Eze.17:23; 36:8), then Jesus sent two disciples (John 8:17), 2 saying to them, “Go into the village opposite you (Isa.41:11;  2Tim.2:25; Phil.1:28), and immediately (Luke 12:36,40) you will find a donkey tied there [("while at ease") Dan.8:25;  1Thess.5:3; Gen.49:15; Isa.46:1-2; Rev.13:7;  2Cor.11:20; Rev.2:20)] (Matt.24:48-50; Num.22:28,30,32-33; Rev.2:14; Jude 1:11;  2Pet.2:15; Matt.23:2,4,12)
and a colt with her; untie them / "loose them", (Matt.16:19; Job 39:5-6; 24:5; 11:12; Ps.102:20; Isa.49:9-10) and bring them to Me (Matt.11:28-29,30; Ps.25:5). 3 If anyone says anything to you, you shall say, ‘The Lord has need of them,’ (John 14:15; 21:15; Col.3:24; Gen.49:10-11; Isa.63:2-3; Rev.19:15) and immediately he will send them.” (Isa.49:25) 4 This took place to fulfill what was spoken through the prophet:
5 “Say to the daughter of Zion,
‘Behold your King is coming to you,
Gentle, and mounted on a donkey,
Even on a colt, the foal of a beast of burden.’”
6 The disciples went and did just as Jesus had instructed them, (John 1:51; Rev.22:3-4) 7 and brought the donkey and the colt, and laid their coats on them 
[your outer garment is your identity before others (Matt.24:17,18; 6:25; Luke 6:29; Matt.6:30; Rev.6:11) (Rev.12:1; -- Mal.4:2;  2Pet.1:19; Rev.22:16)] 
(Isa.61:10; Rev.19:8,14; Gal.3:27; Rev.12:1; Luke 1:78; Isa.60:1); and He sat on the coats (Ps.89:14; Col.3:14; Gen.49:10-11; Isa.63:2-3; Rev.19:15). 8 Most of the crowd spread their coats in the road (Mark1:1-3; Matt.6:25,28,30.33), and others were cutting branches from the trees (John 15:2; Matt.5:30) and spreading them in the road."

Jesus humbly arrives on two ignoble donkeys (1Cor.1:27-29; Rev.11:3,7-8,9-10), despised and treated as if wicked (Jer.22:19; Heb.13:13; John 16:2). They do not have an impressive visible army with them (Zech.4:6,14), but are moved to speak by the spirit and power of God (Num.22:28; Eze.3:27; 24:27; 29:21; Rev.22:16,6).

One is a mother (1Thess.2:7-8), who previously served as a beast of burden 
(Rom.6:16; Gal.4:3; Col.2:8;  2Cor.11:3,4,20; Rev.13:7,10; 11:2; Isa.51:23; Ps.66:11-12; John 8:32,36).
The other, her clinging foal, whom no master has ever dominated 
(Mark 11:2;  1Cor.7:23; Zech.8:23).
Although many expect the presence and inspection of Christ to be a majestic supernatural display;
the great majority even among God's chosen people,
will fail to recognize the "humble and lowly" means by which Christ truly arrives. 
(2Pet.3:4; Luke 19:41-42; Jer.13:17; Matt.13:15; Mark 4:12; Eze.12:2; Rev.3:3)

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Saturday, June 6, 2015

"Who are the 'Chief Princes'?"

Below is a question left in the comment section of the post, "Michael". I am adding that question and my reply below, to that post.

QUESTION:


"does the Bible shed light on how many Chief Princes are there and who they are as stated in Daniel 10:13 Michael, one of the chief princes"


MY REPLY:


Yes, the Bible sheds light on how many Chief Princes there are,

who these chief princes are, and who all the princes are, among whom there are chief princes.
Accordingly, I will answer your question in three parts.
1. Who are all the "princes"?
2. Who are the "chief princes" among all these princes?
3. Who is The "Great Prince" ("arch-angel") mentioned at Dan.12:1?
    (Jude1:9; Dan.10:21; 8:25; Acts 3:15)
    (Jude1:9; Job 1:8-11; Zech.3:1-2; Rev.12:10 --
                  "Moses" -Deut.18:15,18; Heb.3:5; Matt.16:28; 17:1-3,5; 2Pet.1:18; Rev.14:1)
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1. Who are the Bible's princes?


I will limit my reply to the princes of God's covenant woman, and not include the princes of Satan's covenant of death

(Eph.2:2; Isa.31:9; Eze.21:25; 22:27; 38:3; Dan.9:26; 10:20; Zeph.3:3; Rev.18:23; 9:7).

The princes under the Great "guardian" Prince/Rescuer, (Dan.12:1; Isa.49:24-25; Matt.12:29; Rev.20:1-2; Luke10:19), who is Christ,

     (Isa.9:6; Dan.9:25; 12:1; John17:12; 6:39; 10:28; Matt.28:20),
are the kings under the great king (Rev.19:16; 1:5; 3:21; 5:9,10; Eph.2:6; 1:22; Col.1:13).

They are also considered by God, Christ's sons, because by means of Christ, they receive spirit life (John10:10; 20:22; 6:63; 5:21; 17:2; Rom.8:9,10,11,13; 1John4:9,13; 5:11-12; 2:25; John3:6,15,36; 6:47,48,51,57,63; 10:28; Heb.5:9). "But", you may protest, "don't we all become 'sons of God'?". Yes. But there is more to it.---


Within the Bible, forefathers are multiple. This tradition is a cultural difference from most modern day societies. 

Please let me explain...
Within the Bible, living faithful can have more than one father... both God and Christ (Isa.9:6).  Christ received his life from God first, before he can pass that incorruptible seed to those after him (1Pet.1:23; Luke8:11; John12:49; 6:63; James1:21).
"Grandfather" is not in the Bible's language. This is why Abraham, David, Jacob, etc., are considered "fathers" of many subsequent generations. 
All the generations of their descendants, have all of these as "fathers"
(Zech.1:2,4-6; Acts3:13; 7:19; John8:39; Ex.3:6; Luke1:32; Matt.1:1), regardless of how many generations may come and go in between.

Accordingly, we should not limit the spiritual lineage of those born of spirit, to either God or Christ as "father". Such ones are "sons" of both. Yet some are born of God's spirit directly (Rom.8:16; Heb.2:11), and others, through Christ and his bride (1Cor.15:45; Gal.4:26; Rev.22:17). 

You may have noticed that within the scriptures, our spiritual fathers are the ones whom we imitate (John8:39,44; Eph.5:1; 1Pet.1:16; Matt.5:44,45,48).  We can therefore, also be sons of Christ (1Pet.2:21) and of the sealed faithful (1Cor.11:1; 4:15,14,16,17; 1John2:13,14; Philemon 1:10; Luke1:17; Phil.2:22; 3:17; 1Thess.2:11; 1:6) (Mal.4:5-6). 
(https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2016/01/elijah-turns-hearts.html)

Hopefully, all these previous scriptures have helped to establish within your understanding, that whoever we imitate and do the will of, becomes our spiritual father (Eph.5:1; Matt.12:50; 7:21; 1John2:17; Rom.8:14) -- (Eph.2:2; John8:44). 

If you do grasp that imitating Christ (1Cor.11:1; 1Pet.2:21) can make us his son, it will then be easier to grasp who the "princes" are. 

First, lets look at Ps.45:16, which speaks of the dominion of Christ.


"In place of your fathers will be your sons;

You shall make them princes in all the earth."

In place of Christ's kingly forefathers (Luke1:32; Isa.9:7; Matt.12:42), will come his spiritual sons (Heb.2:1-9,14,13,16; Isa.8:18; John10:28,29; 6:37-39; 17:2; 1Pet.1:5; Matt.18:3; 19:14), with whom he shares his kingdom (Ps.132:12; 110:2; Rev.3:21; 14:1; Jer.17:25; Eze.37:25; 34:24) (Heb.2:5,16; Rom.4:13; Gal.3:29; Gen.28:13,14; 13:14,15).

They become co-kings (2Tim.2:12; Rev.5:9,10; 20:6) and co-princes (Isa.10:8; 9:6; Acts 3:15; 5:31; Isa.32:1,2).
As heirs of the earth, these will heal creation (Rom.8:19; Rev.22:1,2; 21:2-5; Jer.17:7,8; Matt.7:20; Eze.36:8), and also provide a "fatherly" example, that leads to life (1Cor.4:15-17; Phil.3:17; 4:9; 2Thess.3:9; 1Thess.1:6; 2Tim.3:14,15; Heb.13:7; 1Pet.5:3).
From the foregoing reply to the first question...
"Who are all the princes?";

I hope you now perceive, that all those redeemed from death by Christ (Rev.5:9,10; 1Cor.15:54-55; Acts 20:28) which "church" is the chosen saints of God's household (1Tim.3:15; 1Cor.14:33; 1Pet.2:10,9), are given fatherly life by Christ's blood...
       (through the new mother covenant of promise/sealed Bride
           -Gal.4:26,24; Matt.26:28; Rom.9:8; Rev.12:2; Gal.4:19; Eph.4:13; 1Thess.2:7; 3John1:4) 
...These are his "sons", referred to as "princes" at Psalm 45:16.
As such, they become "heirs of the earth" 
(Rom.4:13; Gal.3:29; Heb.2:5,16; Matt.5:5; Psalm.37:11,22,29)
and are, 
"all the princes".

2. Who are the "chief princes" among all these princes?


Based upon the facts established above, we can re-word this question as, "Who are the "chief saints/sons of God" among all the saints/anointed chosen and holy ones?". Does such a position, exist? Please consider:

Luke 12:42; John 21:17
Although all members of the "one body" bride of Christ (Eph.5:31-32; 1Cor.6:17) are needed by all other members (1Cor.12:21,25; 4:7); each has their own assignment (1Cor.12:14,4-7,18,11,20; Eph.4:8,11-12). 
Some are given more responsibility (Luke 12:42; Mark 13:34; Matt.25:14-15; James 3:1; 1Cor.12:24,26; Luke 14:8,10-11), as "chief princes". How does the Bible describe the position held by those appointed as such?
One of the symbols used to describe the body of Christ, is as God's Temple (Rom.12:5; 1Cor.3:16; 1Pet.2:5,9-10; Col.1:13).
Jesus, is described as the cornerstone of that Temple (1Pet.2:6-8; Matt.7:24-25). If we build our faith upon the teachings of that cornerstone, we will not be put to shame but all we teach, will be proven true (Rom.10:11; 3:4; John7:16-18). Can you perceive how the symbolic "chief" cornerstone of our faith (remember, "chief princes"?), is the first symbolic foundation to our worship in spirit and truth? 
If so, then we are starting to build the Temple of God, within your perception. If the "chief cornerstone" is the "great prince"/"chief prince" (Dan.12:1)... What about the other "chief princes" (Dan.10:13)? Does the Bible describe the rest of God's symbolic Temple, as having other foundation stones, upon which our faith needs to be chiefly built upon?
Please consider Eph.2:20-22; 3:5; Rev.21:14; 1:20; Dan.12:3-4; Phil.2:15; 2Cor.11:4; Gal.1:8-9; Luke12:42; 1Pet.5:2; Heb.13:17; 1Cor.4:15)
1Cor.12:28 and Eph.2:20, clarify the arrangement of authority ("chiefs") within the congregation, appointed by God and Christ. The apostles are our foundation stones, along with Jesus the cornerstone, of the truth
---No one can remain in union with the cornerstone and head of the body, if they leave the teachings of the apostles, whom he appointed as fatherly heads to the 12 tribes of spiritual Israel (Matt.3:9; Gal.3:29,26; Rom.2:28-29; Rev.7:7; 21:11-12,14). 
---No one can remain in union with the unfolding direction of holy spirit, if they leave the declarations and warnings of the genuine and faithful prophets, whose foundation is the right hand of Jesus (Rev.1:20; 22:6; Amos 3:7; 2Pet.1:21; 1Cor.14:32-33; Rev.11:3-5; Jer.23:29; Zech.4:11-14,6; Hosea 6:5; Rev.22:6; Mal.3:1-3; Rev.11:3). Those "stars" provide the light of spirit to each of their assigned "lampstands" (Rev.1:20), which lampstands hold up, and work to make visible (Matt.5:14-15; Eph.2:19; Gal.6:10), the prophet/"star" whom they support (Heb.6:10).
We have learned that the symbolic foundation to the Temple of God's spirit (1Cor.3:16), is the truth of the apostles and the spirit of the prophets (Eph.2:20; 3:5). They are both necessary if a disciple is to lay a foundation of faith and worship, upon spirit and truth (John4:24). The apostles and prophets who produce spiritual food sourced in the spirit and truth from Christ (John15:4-5,8,16; Rev.22:1-2), are the "chief princes"/foundation stones. They are aligned with the cornerstone, and provide a basis upon which the living stones of the Temple of God, rest.

3. Who is The "Great Prince" ("arch-angel") mentioned at Dan.12:1?

Dan.12:1 reads; “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered."

[Before I go into Part 3: The Great Prince; I would like to offer additional information on other points made by Dan.12:1. 

First, the unprecedented "time of distress". Here is a link to start off the information about the Great Tribulation (Matt.24:21)
(https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-greatest-tribulation-why.html)
Second, the Book of the Lamb, within which the names of the delivered, are written (Rev.13:8; 21:27; 3:5; 17:8; 20:15,12)
(https://pearl-newscrolls.blogspot.com)

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