Monday, March 23, 2015

Two Spiritual Nations

Additions to: "'Jew' or 'Gentile'?"
as follows...

"There are four groups:
Physical Jews (Physical descendants of Abraham
                         -lost their inheritance unless they accept Christ.
                         -Matt.21:43; Acts13:46; John3:36; Luke19:41,42,43,44;
                          Matt.23:37,38; Deut.31:17; Micah3:4; John7:1; Matt.27:23,24,25)
Spiritual Jews  (Spiritual descendants of Abraham-heirs of the promises given Abraham -Gal.3:29)
Physical Gentiles  (Physical descendants "of the Nations" outside physical Israel-
                             Can become spiritual Jews. -Rev.5:9,10; 7:4)
Spiritual Gentiles  (Not anointed, hearts uncircumcised by Spirit, unwashed from sin,
                            -Can be a physical Jew.
                            -awaiting life's provisions through acceptance of kingdom ambassadors
                            -John13:20; 1Cor.4:1; Mal.2:7; 2Cor.5:20)
                            These are NOT PERMITTED to serve as anointed priests/"Jews" (Rev.2:9; 13:6,7)
                             in Christ's Temple arrangement (2Chron.23:6; 1Cor.3:16; 1Pet.2:5,9),
                            although the un-anointed elders today, do so.
                            (Mark.13:14; Eze.44:6,8,9; 2Chron.13:9; Matt.24:15,16)
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  1. I am not understanding your reasoning. So called 'Physical Gentiles" can become anointed, but so called 'Spiritual Gentiles" can't? That doesn't make sense.

    1. I did not say that spiritual Gentiles cannot become spiritual Jews. I ask you a simple question... If you are a spiritual Gentile, are you a spiritual Jew? No. They are two different spiritual groups. A change from one to the other, cannot be done by men, but is done by the choice of God. Only God can choose a spiritual Jew, by the circumcision of Holy Spirit.
      I say that MEN cannot cause this change in divine designation.
      Since your follow-up comment at the recommended link above, was made within 5 minutes; I suggest that you re-read it making sure to include an examination of all the scriptures. This should make a large difference in your understanding and perception about this subject. If not, let me know. Did you read Rom.2:28,29; Rev.2:9 and Rev.3:9?

  2. OK, you claim that... The Great Crowd are spiritual Gentiles, correct? You also claim that the 144,000 are spiritual Jews who were at one time physical Gentiles, and are chosen by God from physical Gentiles to be spiritual Jews and part of the 144,000. Am I still correct in understanding your claims?

    So my question to you is this...

    Can a spiritual Gentiles who you claim is part of the Great Crowd, be chosen by God and become a part of spiritual Israel and be among the 144,000?

    1. No, I don't say that the Great Crowd are spiritual Gentiles. That is a teaching of the "Watchtower".
      I suggest reading about the Great Crowd, and the Bible's definition of their traits...
      ie. "wearing white robes" (Rev.19:8; 6:9,10,11), "serving in the Temple" (2Chron.23:6), etc.
      In fact, the Great Crowd are spiritual JEWS... chosen priests...the "remaining ones of the woman's seed", and the segment of the 144000 that come through the time of the end.
      It would be best if you don't assume that I believe "Watchtower" doctrines, but rather, find out what I believe first.
      Otherwise, nothing will make sense.
      All you need to do is use the search box.

      I also do not claim,
      "144,000 are spiritual Jews who were at one time physical Gentiles"
      because a chosen one is both at the same time.
      Just because you are Chosen to belong to SPIRITUAL Israel,
      doesn't mean your body changes into some other nationality. You are still a PHYSICAL Gentile.

      Since your question is based on assuming things I don't say or believe, perhaps you could rephrase your current question?
      After making adjustments for your misunderstandings,
      I can tell you that YES... a spiritual Gentile
      [ALL of whom the 144000 WERE at one time (with the exception of the little flock of physical Jews in the first century),
      can become a spiritual Jew, if chosen by God to become so....
      ...if that helps.
      I suggest this link to start:
      followed by a search for "Great Crowd"

      Please let me know how you do.
      Love in Christ,


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