Wednesday, May 28, 2014

144,000 / "Man of Lawlessness"? / Revelation's "angels"

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Follow up to the previous post

Follow up question

Hello Pearl,
Thanks for your speedy response to my question. Apologies I should have been more direct. My question was do you see the 144 as literal or symbolic? I believe it to be a symbolic number and believe numbers of memorial partakers will continue to rise.
I have only recently become aware that there are JW'S and ex JW'S speaking about spiritual things and WTBTS on the Internet.
I have found one site but do not accept their certainty of nuclear war and yet another site but I can't accept that all in congregation should partake of emblems.
The common thread is the view of Man of lawlessness, disgusting thing, beast etc. Of which I am in agreement , the spirit opened my eyes sometime ago. There has been no greater persecutor of anointed in last days than WTBTS.
It is all very sad. Fear inspiring. Isolating. I look forward to the day we all speak in unity. I do not believe Jah will abandon the organisation, it will undergo a time of refinement.
I believe we all need to mention GB and WTBTS in our prayers just as our leader said - pray for those persecuting you.
I tried earlier today to communicate via the form at top right of site page but it took ages sending so you may not have received it.
I read that you are planning a way to warn WTBTS.Are you proposing a coordinated effort?
PS 48:12 says March around Zion you people and go about it. I relate this to Israel marching around Jericho before it fell, it applies to us now I believe. We are obligated to sound an alarm.
I suppose those of us outside the organisation, in a wilderness state so to speak, have in our own way already been doing this.

Jah Bless


My Reply:

Hello again A-1,
You have many new questions.
I will try to clarify and list them, so that I can address them thoroughly.

you ask if the 144,000 is symbolic.
Everything in Revelation is symbolic. This is conveyed right at the start by Christ himself, if you have an accurate translation of Rev.1:1.
If not, referring to a Greek interlinear is illuminating.
That translation reads:

"The Revelation of Jesus
Christ, which God gave unto
him, to shew unto his servants
things which must shortly
come to pass; and he sent and
SIGNIFIED it by his angel unto
his servant John"

The Greek word for "signified" is "esEmanen",
and means to convey by means of symbolism. That is consistent with the way Jesus always taught while on earth (Matt.13:34,35).
What then, does the symbolic number of 144,000 mean?
If you read about 666, you will get your answer....

Next, you say that you expect the memorial partakers to continue to rise,
yet you don't relate what you believe to be the significance of this.
The scriptures advise us to discount any numbering of God's people (1Chron.21:1; Rev.7:9).
Why then, do you give significance to an amount? That number has nothing to do with how many are faithful
(Rom.9:27,28; Luke13:23,24,25; Matt.25:10,11,12,13; 7:13; 22:14,3,5,6,8).
Please tell me why you seem to feel that the number is significant.

Next you mention that there is a common thread online about the identity of the man of lawlessness, disgusting thing, and beast.
Yet I have only found those who say that the "Man of Lawlessness" is the governing body. I do not agree, because the scriptures indicate that this "man" is spiritual Gentiles...the wild beast from the "sea"/"abyss" (Rev.13:1; 11:7)...
 not the beast from the "earth"/false prophet/harlot, who rides the beast (Rev.13:11,15; 19:20).
    "She" has formed an alliance with the "Wild Beast" from the "sea", as it's benefactor.
(Rev.13:1,11; 16:13; 20:10; 17:1,7; Isa.1:21; Jer.2:2,13,20,21,14; Rev.13:7,10; 11:2)


The Man of lawlessness is the blasphemous Beast/disgusting thing,
 standing in the "Holy Place"/God's own temple
(2Thess.2:4; Rev.13:6,18; Matt.24:15; 1Cor.3:16; 1Pet.2:5,9)
because these Gentiles dare to replace the chosen priesthood of God's Temple
(Eze.44:6,7,8,9; Num.18:7; Rev.11:2).
This is a deep subject, and I hope you will read all the cited scriptures in the following article link,
which clarify this distinction between the Man of lawlessness and the genuinely "called and invited" governing body.

I am the only one I know of that clearly sees this distinction between the spiritual
"Jews" and "Gentiles", and how that truth impacts the interpretation of these prophetic identities.

Next you say:
"I do not believe Jah will abandon the organisation, it will undergo a time of refinement."

Do the scriptures indicate that the final wild beast and final harlot will be refined?
Please send me those scriptures, because I believe the Bible indicates a different outcome to them...
(Matt.13:41,42; 24:51,48,49,50,51; 3:12; 13:30; Rev.20:10; 17:3,8,11,16; 18:8,21,24; Micah1:7; Dan.2:35,44; 2Pet.2:1) well as all who follow them
(Rev.19:20; 14:9,11; 2Thess.2:10,11; 2Chron.18:22,20,21; Rev.13:14,8; Eze.14:10).

God will not abandon the faithful chosen ones.
The faithful will have no part with the counterfeit Mount Zion/Organization
(2Cor.6:14; Rev.8:8; Zech.4:7,13,14; Rev.11:3,4).

Only the repentant remnant of called ones will be saved (Mal.3:3; Rom.9:27; Matt.7:14)....
and each of them will be "killed" by that counterfeit (Rev.6:9,10,11; 12:11; 11:7; 20:4; John16:2).
The Organization is not the remnant foretold to be refined by Christ (Mal.3:1,2,3; Rev.3:18,19)....
the priests are (Mal.3:3; Joel1:13; Rev.11:3).
The way of salvation is also open to those who accept these final symbolic prophets (Matt.10:41; Rev.11:3).

Yes, we should pray for our enemies...
NOT so that this abomination can be mended and continue,
but so that as individuals, they can wake up, don sackcloth, take their stand for truth and be shamed and killed for the sake of it (Mark8:35)...
 just as sealed footstep followers of Christ always are (Heb.13:13; Rom.6:5; Rev.6:11).
This action is according to the command of Christ (Rev.18:4; Matt.24:16; 2Cor.6:16,17,18).

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Regarding the prophetic significance of the walls of Jericho (Joshua6:6,8; Rev.8:6);
you may enjoy reading:

 ----under the heading of "ANGELS"

Yes, the blowing of the "trumpets" of the "seven angels" of Revelation,
corresponds to the "seven priests" who blew their trumpets around Jericho.
These are the same "seven angels" in Christ's right hand (Rev.1:20) who are "stars"/illuminators/prophets/priests/lamps, to their own period congregations/lampstands.
(Phil.2:15; Dan.12:3,10; Rev.10:7; Amos3:7; Eph.2:20; 1Cor.12:29,28,18; Rev.1:20)

Yes, this is all horrifically sad and terrifying. I have seen it with my own eyes in vision. It is just as described in scripture (Deut.29:23,18-29; Rev.8:11; 6:17).

I hope you are reading the scriptures and links, because without them, you will not be enabled to share the perspective I am relating to you.


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