Tuesday, May 27, 2014

"Outside the Camp" / Generation to not pass away / Gathering

For a post about being disfellowshipped,
please see: 

A question I received:

"My Subject: In the Wilderness
Like yourself, I am anointed and disfellowshiped. I was outspoken in meetings regarding the issue of the GB setting themselves up as the FDS. They attempted to disfellowship me for apostasy, but were unable to pin that false charge against me. I was convicted of "reviling", because I had called two elders "agents of Satan".
I see myself as a loyal servant of Jehovah, not in the organisation, yet not a part of the world.
I am in a wilderness, waiting. It has been 10 years. The Devil has tried to crush me but the spirit has strengthened me.
My question is, what do you make of the increase of anointed ones?"

My response:

Hello A-1,
Interestingly hypocritical of the "elders",
 to feel justified in retaliating against you for calling them agents of Satan;
yet they feel just as justified calling the uncompromising ones, "human apostates",
who are working with Satan "in his kitchen of lies" 
(Rom.8:33; Hosea4:4; Matt.5:11,12; Mark13:13; Rev.11:8,9,10; John1:10,11; Luke19:14; John15:18; 8:40,37;
Matt.12:24; 10:25; 11:18; Mark3:28,29,30; John10:20; Gal.4:16; John16:2).
(That's a quote from the last district assembly program.)
They apparently believe that they are less deserving of being blasphemed,
 than Jesus Christ himself (Luke12:10 A).

Your self-perception as loyal, although no part of the hierarchy of organized religion
(which IS part of Satan's world), is in harmony with scriptural truth
(Mark.10:42,43; John15:20; 5:16; 1Cor.15:24).
The part of the world that hated and persecuted Jesus, were the religious leaders of Jesus' own people (John15:18; 19:12,15).
(1John2:15,16; Rev.3:17; 1Cor.4:8,10,11,12,13,14; Heb.13:14,13; Mark13:13).
There exists no divinely sanctioned hierarchy nor organization,
except that which exists within the body of Christ, as arranged by God
(Eph.2:19,20,21,22; 1Cor.12:18,24,27,28,29).

Yes, all those who have awoken by the grace of God, are central targets of Satanic rage at this time
 (Rev.12:17; Eph.6:12; Rom.16:20; Gen.3:15; Rev.13:1,7,10).
Only with God's help, is it possible to remain standing
(Luke21:36; Rev.6:17; Mal.3:2; Mark10:26,27; Rom.14:4).
We must beg for the strength and wisdom of those shown favor, to be sustained,
so that all those striving to please our Father in heaven,
will be enabled to continue to do so.

About your question,
I regret that I must decline providing a response according to how it is worded.
I always try to avoid forming my own deductions or interpretations.
(John12:49; 7:16,17,18; 1Pet.2:21; John16:13,14,15,8)
Neither is it my place to validate who has genuinely received of God's spirit.

The only thing I recognize as valuable, is what God himself makes of events.
We discover those judgments as He reveals them within His Word.
(Rom.11:33,34; Job21:22; 15:8; Isa.40:13; 1Cor.2:16; John12:49)

Your question could be interpreted as having a few meanings, and I am not sure which you intend.
It is not clear if you believe the increase is accurate or a fabricated promotion.
A count taken by men holds no weight with God (Rev.7:9; 1Chron.21:1).
The number may only reflect an increase in those partaking
     (many now believe non-anointed should partake),
the number may only reflect an increase in those now confident enough to come forward.

One thing I am assured of, are the words of Christ.
He said that the spirit generated new creation (2Cor.5:17), will not pass away,
until all that was prophetically written, is fulfilled.
(Matt.24:34; Dan.12:7; Rev.6:9,10,11; 10:7).

Jesus did not specify how many individuals would be present at any given moment as time progressed. He only assured us that his faithful slaves would be present (1Kings 2:4; Jer.33:18; Rev.5:10) and undergoing their tribulations, until all things were accomplished.

If Jesus felt that grasping these facts was sufficient,
I am satisfied with that amount of knowledge....
whether the total number called at any given moment,
 increases, or decreases.

If you would like to clarify what your question is,
perhaps I could reconsider it, should you submit a "follow-up".
I also wonder if your question was more about the actual meaning of the "wilderness"
and how that symbol is fulfilled today, since that is your stated subject.
God cared for those who fled Egypt, and those who fled Jerusalem in the first century (Matt.24:15,16).
He will care for us as well.
(Rev.12:6,14; 2:17; John6:31) (Ex.13:21,22; Luke21:27; 12:49)

Thank you for contacting me.
I wonder if you have yet considered the "WT's" place in prophecy.
If not, I welcome you to consider my blogs, where you will find hundreds of Bible based articles/posts,
based upon that scriptural interpretation and application.
There is a search box on this Main Page,
and also a list of articles in my blogspot profile:

I hope you will write to me further, that we might become better acquainted.
The gathering from the four winds is underway, in order for those not blind, to attend...
the marriage feast,
the eagles to the slain,
the decisive battle,
etc. (Matt.13:41; 24:31; Luke17:34,35,37,33,30; Acts3:19,20,21; Rev.10:7; Matt.13:16,17,11; 22:4; Rev.3:20; Matt.24:33,28; Luke17:35,37)
(1Tim.4:1; Rev.16:13,14,16; 20:8,9)
      (When is the "Thousand Years"?
      (http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/11/the-thousand-years- mage-of-beast.html)

There is a final judgement (Daniel 7:9,10,13,14,18,22)  Once it's over, God causes Satan's dominion to pass away so that he and it are never seen again. (Daniel 2:35,44)..."In the time of those kings"... Once these old "heavens" or "rulerships" are destroyed by eternal fire; they never return. (2 Peter 3:10,13; Rev.17:14; Rev.19:11,14,8)
Armageddon is the final battle.  There are not two final battles/divine judgments rendered. Rev.16:14,16 and Rev.20:7,8,9 is the same final battle.
(***See links above)
This is a spiritual battle (Gen.3:15; Rev.12:17,5; 2:26,27).
(Jesus and his brothers wage spiritual warfare... not physical. 2Cor.10:3,4,5; Rev.17:14; 19:11,14,8)
  (See the article on Armageddon:

      [Note about Rev.16:14, and the Greek word that is often
      translated "world":
      Some translate Matt.24:14 and Rev.16:14 as "world"
      ("cosmos" in Greek).
      This is not the Greek word used there. It is literally
      "filled home"/"inhabited earth" (oikoumenE).
      The "inhabited home" refers to those who are unsealed,
      but are God's chosen people. Please read Jer.25:29,30.
      When God is referring to His whole People, He refers to them
      as His "filled home"/ translated, "all the inhabited earth".
      When He performs His will against this group, it is always
      His people...not Satan's entire "world" which is totally under
      Satanic control (1John5:19). When Jer.25:29,30 was fulfilled,
      it was fulfilled only with the Jews...not with the whole world.
      God's own people are the home of His spirit (Eph.2:22; 1:10; Rev.14:1).
      They are His "footstool"/"earth"/"dwelling place"
      (Isa.66:1; Ps.132:7; Lev.26:11,12; 2Cor.6:16;
      1Cor.3:16; Ps.99:5; 43:3; Rev.14:1) (Rev.14:3; 7:4 "from earth"/"from Israel")
      It is "filled"/"occupied" when it is completed (Eph.1:9,10; Col.1:20; 1Cor.15:24,25,28)
      THIS is the correct meaning of "filled home"/"inhabited earth" (oikoumenE).....
      not "world", as it is mistranslated at Matt.24:14; Rev.16:14; 3:10; 13:8,11; and Rev.12:9 etc..
      Understanding the meaning intended by the original apostolic writers, is pivotal in
      acquiring the one correct interpretation of the prophecies contained within their writing.

The "Thousand Years" are symbolic.  Revelation is written symbolically for a reason.
(Rev.1:1; 16:15; Mark13:36,37; Matt.24:42; Rev.3:3; Luke17:35; 13:35; John12:40)

I am sorry you have been isolated for so long.
Perhaps you can now find comfort and fellowship.
If you contact me by using the form on this Main Page,
I will also write back to you. There is also the FORUM, where a number of Called Ones, do congregate.

May God continue to bless you,
and all those determined to remain loyal slaves to God exclusively,
as they await their Master's judgment to be revealed.
(Matt.4:10; 16:27; 7:24,25)

Love in Christ,

I know this post has touched on some deep subjects.
If anyone has any questions that have arisen during their consideration of this material, which were not addressed within the cited links; Please feel welcome to use the contact form in the right side column of this page, to submit your question(s).

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  1. good of you to bring up 1 Chr 21:1, why would the Org want to 'number' the remnant of Jesus' bride when we find no instruction to do that?

    should we be looking up to the numbers as meaning something? Not at all, like you said sister D ' A count taken by men holds no weight with God'

    The GB should indeed take a lesson from 1 Chr 21 (Rom 15:4)

    thanks again for a good post

    1. Thank you Modise. Very good and true thoughts.
      I hope that you and your family are well.
      Much Love,


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