"Two witnesses" ...Literally?

Some feel that as long as there are literally "two" Chosen ones, teaching the same thing, that this makes that doctrine true.
This is based upon the meaning of John 8:17 and a literal interpretation of Rev.11:3.
Is this accurate?

How do the Chosen know that they are anointed?
Do two people tell them?
Not according to what Rom.8:16 reads:
"The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God".

Note that in this case, the Holy Spirit can be a witness along with one human spirit.
See another important instance of this, as the Pharisees spoke to Christ...
"The Pharisees challenged him, "Here you are, appearing as your own witness; your testimony is not valid."
True...Jesus did not have another perfect twin brother to preach with him.
How did Jesus reply to this?
"Jesus answered, 'Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid, for I know where I came from and where I am going. But you have no idea where I come from or where I am going.

But even if I do judge, My judgment is true; for I am not alone in it, but I and the Father who sent Me is with me. I am He who testifies about Myself, and the Father who sent Me testifies about Me.'" John 8:14,16,18
According to Jesus, Holy Spirit is a valid witness.

1John 5:9 reads:

"We accept human testimony, but God's testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son." 

(see also John 5:32,37)

Is there evidence of this backing by God's spirit today? 

Jesus said:

"If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; but if I do them, though you do not believe Me, believe the works, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father." John 10:37-38

Jesus said he could be identified as true (symbolized by "two witnesses") if the Father's backing of Holy Spirit was evident, as displayed through the Father's works (1John 2:17; Matt.12:50; 7:21) that His Spirit enabled Jesus to perform. 

This also made evident, that "the Father is in Me, and I in the Father."

What about anointed being backed in this way, and therefore, as also being proven as true. Was this possible?
Note John 17:21,22,23...

"...that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me.  I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one—  I in them and you in me—so that they may be brought to complete unity. Then the world will know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. (Matt.3:17)

(John 15:4-5)

Christ was pointing to the faithful anointed being unified with God and Christ. As Christ was united with the Father, and this resulted in works which bore testimony to his divine credentials, so too, "the world will know"that the faithful are also loved by the Father, and have His backing of spirit, by their works in harmony with the will of God. Those who remain in union with God and Christ, are the men of Truth (John 15:4-5;  1John 2:28).

The anointed today do not perform literal miracles as Jesus did;

so what works can the world view which demonstrate backing by God's spirit,

thereby fulfilling the "two witness" requirement as it was fulfilled with Christ?
Jesus said that the works of his followers, compared to "fruit that would last" (John 15:8,16).

That fruit sourced in Christ (Matt.24:35; John 15:4,5,8,16; Rom.11:17; Matt.10:27; Luke 12:12; 21:15; John 14:26)

comes from the lips of chosen priests (Heb.13:15; Prov.12:14; Mal.2:7) but is sourced in a heart united with God's spirit (John 14:17; Rom.8:9;  1John 3:24) (Matt.12:33,34,35,36,37; 7:20)....not in worldly research, religious doctrine, and intellect, upon which those lacking spirit must depend.

All the faithful slaves of Christ's body, would be guided by God's spirit of truth alone (John 16:13;  1John 2:20,27;  1Cor.2:13) manifested in it's various forms (1Cor.12:7,4;  1Pet.4:10; Eph.4:11,16).
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If we return to John7 we can see that there is a way that a true prophet can be identified in just the same way Christ was...

"Anyone who chooses to do the will of God will find out whether my teaching comes from God or whether I speak on my own. 18 Whoever speaks on their own does so to gain personal glory, but he who seeks the glory of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him." (John 7:17,18,16) 

(also John 8:28,31,47)

How would we identify such a faithful witness for truth?
Would it be by him having a literal companion mimicking each of his words,

or perhaps by reflecting the physical orientation of the Pharisees, requiring two authors for each article written?

Liars can also be in agreement, and work together (Rev.16:13)

Foolish is the man who relies on such empty physical rules.

According to Jesus,

"A man of truth" would "seek the glory of the one who sent him",

by deriving every teaching from scripture, rather than their own research into worldly knowledge, current events, and their own resulting deductions (1Cor.2:13-14). In this way, the source of a true prophet is the scriptures of God, whose words the prophet seeks to glorify as supreme. 

God's spirit backs such a one to bear loyal fruit, providing the second witness, as it did with Christ.

Those who do not depend upon spirit (Matt.25:3,10), but puff up themselves by means of confidence in their own efforts and ability, seek their own glory. 

All the true prophets of old, did not have a rule to go about their commission in pairs.

Did this make them liars?

No, because like Christ, the spirit of the Father in Heaven was backing them as they carried out His Will. In response, these prophets declared the Word of God faithfully, and as a result, that Truth has, and will, endure 

(John 15:16;  2Pet.1:19; Eph.2:20;  1Cor.3:10-11,12-13,14;  2Tim.2:19; Heb.11:10).

We know from the book of Revelation, that horns represent kings (Rev.17:12).

The false prophet who incites "all the earth" to commit idolatry, by worshiping the Beast and it's Image (Rev.13:8,12,14-15; Exo.20:4; Rev.2:14,20) has itself "two horns"/kings, "like a lamb" (Rev.13:11). 

Does this counterfeit sign of "two witnesses"/kings (Rev.11:3), mean that this composite prophet is true?

Not at all, since it "spoke like a dragon" (Matt.7:15; Rev.13:11; John 8:44; Rev.19:20; 20:10).

(https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2017/12/the-two-horns.html)

During this great final battle between truth and lies (2Cor.10:3-4,5; Luke 10:19; 21:15; Eph.6:12; Rev.16:13-14,15-16; 12:7; 17:14; 19:11,14,8)
...seek out prophets who like Christ, are in union with God's spirit,

made evident by their works...the fruit they produce by completely relying upon God's spirit and His Word of Truth (John 4:23-24) so that they might glorify the same.

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Who are "Orphans and Widows"?

The requirements of True worship and the resulting approval of God is declared in God's own Word, as "looking after orphans and widows" as they undergo "distress"/"trouble" (James1:27; John16:33). 
(BOTH WORDS are translated from the same Greek word, "tribulation")
Yet Jesus made a different declaration as the basis of judgment, at Matt.25:40 ....or did he?
Who does THE BIBLE identify as "orphans and widows"? How does God Himself use this symbol?
John14:18,17; Isa.54:4,1,5,6,11,17; Lam.1:1; 5:3,5; Jer.15:8; 18:21; 49:11; 51:5; Isa.47:8; Rev.18:7; Eze.22:23,24,7.
The Bible uses "widows and orphans" as symbolism, and that symbolism is in perfect harmony with Matt.25:40...
which verse cannot be nullified as the requirement for life (Matt.25:46).
The anointed sons of God (Christ's "least brothers") who have been cast off from their "Land" and inheritance (Isa.66:5; John16:2; Rev.13:7; 11:3,7; 6:9,10,11; 11:2,7,8,9,10; Heb.13:13; 2Thess.2:4; Luke12:39; Joel.2:9; John10:1,10; Jer.48:27; Rev.3:11; 9:7,11)
and subjected as captive slaves to a new Master (Rev.13:10,7,17; Luke21:24; 4:18; Col.2:8; Rev.12:15; 16:13; Rev.9:14; 13:10)
previous to their restoration (Jer.30:3; Isa.14:2; Hosea6:11; Zeph.3:20; Rev.11:11),
...are declared by God and Christ themselves,
as spiritual "widows" and "orphans".
(Matt.25:35,36,37,38,39,40; 1Cor.4:11,12,13; Heb.11:8,9,10; Rom.8:17; John14:18; Lam.1:1; James1:27; Matt.25:40)
Those released from captivity, yet still destitute, have a choice. To put their trust in God while enduring with patience (1Tim.5:5; Rev.13:10), or to indulge in the temptation to serve Satan's lies (1Tim.5:6; James5:5; Rev.3:1)...imitating the harlot, by whom they had been made "widows" (Rev.17:1,6; 18:24; Matt.23:35,37; Luke13:33; Acts5:30; 3:15; Mark 10:33; 8:31) 
(1Pet.1:19; Rev.21:9).

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Superiority? No..., not for any one of us.

There are Chosen Ones who might nullify Eph.2:20; 1Cor.14:32; 12:18; Amos 3:7 and Num.12:6.
Their motive is unfounded.

To these I offer the following scriptural thoughts...

To know Christ's voice is to recognize the sound of truth and the Word of God (John10:27). The Pharisees were deaf to this (John8:27,43,47; Eze.3:4,5,6,7; Matt.13:14; Acts 28:26,27) due to having the same desires as Satan (John8:40,41,44; 1John3:12).

The present Temple of God's spirit is also in Covenant with God (just like the Pharisees of the past), and it's body of Christ, is arranged according to the Will of God (1Cor.12:11,18,19). The Pharisees refused to recognize the cornerstone of that Temple City (Eph.2:20; Luke20:17,18,19).
ALL members of the anointed body, must also discern the body's structure (1Cor.11:28,29,31; 1Cor.12:18,28), including it's foundation
(Eph.2:20; 1Cor.3:10; 15:9,10; Acts4:20; Rev.21:14; Luke11:49; Rev.18:20),
lest they sin against God's own arrangement, due to pride...the same leaven as the Pharisees (Mark8:15,21; 9:33,34; Luke9:46; 1Cor.8:2; Gal.6:3; 2Cor.11:12).

Those who truly abide in Love, rejoice in the mercies and kindness expressed to their brothers (1John3:14; 1Cor.12:26). These realize that any honor shown according to the justice of God, is shown to those who previously lacked honor especially, in order that there should be no superiority, imbalance, or division within the body (1Cor.12:24,25,26; Matt.20:26,27; 1Cor.4:7; Rom.12:3,6; 1Pet.4:10; Matt.20:16; 23:12).
If God chooses the most despised to be shown an equalizing amount of mercy, of what concern is that to anyone? (1Cor.1:26,27,28,29,30; Matt.20:13,14,15) All of us are undeserving worthless slaves, who perform our assigned place out of obligation, not out of superiority (Rom.4:4; Luke17:10; 1Cor.4:7; Luke12:48).
If God does not give all the honor to those who already have honor,
and choose to neglect and further debase those who have been totally despised and cast off;
...why would those who also depend on God's undeserved mercy, raise objection to others being lifted up from such despair, to now be compensated and made equal to them,
...unless their eye were evil?

There is an equalizing according to God's justice. None should be greedy for more at the loss to his brother, or even lower, a sister.
Those who truly grasp Christ's voice of truth being proclaimed throughout the above scriptural words of God, recognize, accept, and obey the justice and mercy of God found within those words (John10:27).
This is the voice of the Good Shepherd, who cares for ALL his 144000 sheep....not just the ones who envy what they do not understand.
(Gal.6:3,4; Matt.25:20,22; 1Cor.3:8; Luke12:48 B).
The parts of Christ's Body who are accustomed to being treated with greater honor, according to their self-estimation, are the very ones who must learn humility. The parts of Christ's Body who are accustomed to being dominated, and as being discarded as nothing, are the very ones who must learn to accept their responsibility as priest, according to their God-given assignment, despite the objections and ridicule which surround them, which they were previously accustomed to yield to. (2Cor.11:20; 1Pet.4:10; Rom.12:6,7,8; 1Cor.14:32,33,29; Rev.22:6; Amos3:7; Eph.2:20,21; Heb.11:10)
Those who object to God's justice and demand more for themselves,
really do not understand what they are asking for (Matt.17:1,3; Mark10:37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45),
as such positions are not what they suppose them to be.

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Final Prophet(s)

The following addition was added to 
http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/10/gods-messengers.html
as follows...

"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John". (Rev.1:1)
This one whom Jesus "sends", is the same angel ("messenger") of Zech.4:9 and Mal.3:1 (Isa.40:1-2,3; Rev.12:6,14; Isa.40:4-5,9-10; Matt.25:6), who appears when God's Temple (anointed priesthood) is finally completed by the "capstone". That prophet messenger(s) ["angel(s)"] is sent to prophesy in that time of the end, and will fulfill the roles of "Moses and Elijah" (Rev.11:3-4; Zech.4:14,9). The appearance of this "capstone" will initiate the "small beginnings" of the eternal Kingdom. This beginning sprouts from a condition of devastation (Zech.4:10,6; Hag.2:3; Rev.11:2; Dan.12:7; Rev.13:7; Matt.24:15; Luke 21:24; Matt.7:6; Dan.8:12;  1Cor.3:16-17;  2Thess.2:8; 1:7; Rev.1:1; Isa.40:5,2-3)"

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God's Messengers

A QUESTION:

Dear Pearl,
Does the angels give orders , instruct and pass information (re the interpretation of prophecies found in the Bible) on to the Faithful and discreet slave ?

MY REPLY:

Dear Johan,
There is so much deception rife in the end times in which we live, that nothing we thought we knew can be taken for granted as truth (1Cor. 3:18;  2Cor. 11:3; Col.2:8;  1Tim. 4:1; Matt.24:24,25;  2Thess. 2:4,9; Rev.12:9; 13:11; 20:12).
I say this, because the first part of your question asks about angels.

You may have been taught as I was...
that all angels are spirits that were born in heaven as spirits.
The Greek word for angel means messenger, and that word is also applied to those whom God has chosen to bear His messages. These can include those God has chosen to be His Temple priests.

Mal.2:7 reads
"For the lips of a priest ought to preserve knowledge, because he is the messenger of the LORD Almighty and people seek instruction from his mouth."

1Pet. 2:9 reads:
"But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light."
Rev.5:10 reads
"You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God,
    and they will reign on the earth.”

Hopefully you can see that according to the Bible, chosen priests anointed by God are given information to share with others (Matt.5:14,16). If one of these priests was chosen to be a prophet (1Cor. 7:7; 12:4,5,28; Eph.4:11) then that priest would also have a message for fellow priests, just as the apostles had information for their fellow anointed ones (Eph.2:20; 4:12; Rom.12:6;  1Pet. 4:10,11;  1Cor. 4:1; 3:10; Rev.1:20;  1Cor. 14:33).

The reason why it is so important to understand who the angelic messengers of God include;
is because this is in harmony with the rest of the Bible's facts, such as:

1Tim. 2:5
"For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus".
This does not point to another spirit being between Christ and man.
Between God and man, is only Christ.

As such, it is Christ who gives information directly to men of his choosing, as a high priest directly cares for his under-priests. 
It may also help to check other scriptures about how the anointed prophets receive information...

Jesus said;
"What I tell you in the dark, speak in the daylight; what is whispered in your ear, proclaim from the roofs." (Matt.10:27)

"Then the Lord came down in a pillar of cloud;...he said, “Listen to my words:
When there is a prophet among you, I, the Lord, reveal myself to them in visions, I speak to them in dreams." Num.12:5,6

When I was taken in vision, Christ himself spoke with me. There was no intermediary spirit person.
Rev.1:1 and Rev.22:8,9 may come to your mind. Let's look at them:

"The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John". (Rev.1:1)
This one whom Jesus "sends", is the same "angel" (Greek = "messenger" -Gal.4:14) of Zech.4:9 and Mal.3:1 (Isa.40:1,2,3; Rev.12:6,14; Isa.40:4,5,9,10; Matt.25:6), who appears when God's Temple (anointed priesthood) is finally completed by the "capstone". That prophet messenger(s) ["angel(s)"] is sent to prophesy in that time of the end, and will fulfill the roles of "Moses and Elijah" (Rev.11:3,4; Zech.4:14,9). The appearance of this "capstone" will initiate the "small beginnings" of the eternal Kingdom. This beginning sprouts from a condition of devastation (Zech.4:10,6; Hag.2:3; Rev.11:2; Dan.12:7; Rev.13:7; Matt.24:15; Luke 21:24; Matt.7:6; Dan.8:12;  1Cor. 3:16,17;  2Thess. 2:8; 1:7; Rev.1:1; Isa.40:5,2,3)"

"I, John, am the one who heard and saw these things. And when I had heard and seen them, I fell down to worship at the feet of the angel who had been showing them to me. But he said to me, “Don’t do that! I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll. Worship God!” (Rev.22:8,9)


The Holy Spirit is what teaches the anointed slaves (1John 2:20,27; John 14:26).
Those given a message by means of that spirit, speak on it's knowledge and power directly, without another intermediary persona (John 16:12,13,14; Matt.10:20; Luke 12:12).

So then, who is this angel that is "showing" John Revelation's visions?

This messenger of prophecy, is one of the angels mentioned at Rev.1:20...
"The mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand and of the seven golden lampstands is this: The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches."

Can you see from this that the "seven" congregations of Christ (made of anointed priests), each have a "messenger"/"angel" that is a "star" of light to their congregation?

Who are these angel stars?
The Bible tells us...
"Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever."
"Those", are speaking of humans. 
These eternal "stars" are "light bearers" who have been given specific wisdom from God to prophesy to their congregations. These are the same identity as the "two witnesses" of Rev.11:3,4.
This symbolic "Moses and Elijah" role as prophet, is not the same as all God's nation of priests (1Pet. 2:10,9).
Not all priests are prophets (1Cor. 12:29).

To be certain that these stars are humans among other humans...
See Phil.2:15...
"so that you may become blameless and pure, “children of God without fault in a warped and crooked generation.” Then you will shine among them like stars in the sky as you hold firmly to the word of life."

These who "hold firmly to the word of life" are doing the same thing as John's Revelation angel.
Remember what that "angel" said?...
"I am a fellow servant with you and with your fellow prophets and with all who keep the words of this scroll.
When John received the visions of Revelation, he was transferred into the future "Lord's Day" (Rev.1:10). This means that he will learn the meaning of Revelation after his resurrection, from the prophets who are given that scroll's interpretation in "the time of the end" (Dan.12:4; Rev.22:10; 20:12; Amos 3:7; Rev.22:6) to give to the remnant in peril, during the Great Tribulation.
That event is what John described,
as he himself, as well as the angelic prophet, were within "the Lord's Day" and "the time of the end".

Spirit angels in heaven have no need to hold firmly to the word of life (or to "keep the words" of the scroll of Revelation) as delivered to the anointed by Christ through his prophets (Rev.11:3); 
nor do they need to "keep the words" of the book of Revelation, since they are not the ones portrayed in Revelation's dilemma and solution (Rev.22:19; 1:11,3). The "seven Congregations" are. 
Remember that the purpose of Revelation, is for Jesus to "show his anointed slaves/servants" what will happen (Rev.1:1)...not to show invisible spirit creatures, so that they will be warned, and obey.

Christ's slaves are the ones who need the "angels"/"stars" to enlighten their congregations, as to the spiritual perils Revelation unveils. These star-like messengers must pass on the light which "the spirit of the prophets" has given them (Rev.10:7; 11:3;  1Cor. 14:32), to those anointed who are not prophets, 
are in peril, 
and are still in the darkness of Satan's final great deception 
(1Tim. 4:1; Rev.13:7; 16:13,14,15;  2Thess. 2:9,4; Matt.24:15,4,5,24,25).

So when you ask if "angels" receive "orders" to instruct and pass information to God's anointed slaves...
that depends upon your definition of "angel".

If you believe what many have been deceived into believing...
that the conquering of Satan is done by angels who were never human (Rev.12:7), and that these take the lead in prophesying to the body of Christ (including the apostle John), then my reply would be "No.".
(Rev.12:7;  2Cor. 10:3,4,5; 6:7; Rev.11:5; Jer.5:14; 1:10; Rev.16:16; 19:11,14,8; 17:14; Gen.3:15; Rev.12:7)

If you believe that the angels in Revelation are anointed prophets here on earth, sent to show God's anointed slaves of Christ's body "what will soon take place";
then "Yes."...those chosen as prophets pass information (including the interpretation of prophecy) on to the rest of Christ's slaves...those who have not been chosen to be prophets (1Cor. 12:29,21,14,7,8,9,10,11,4,5; Rev.1:1,20; 11:3; 10:7).

Thank you for your good question,
Pearl

----FOLLOW-UP #1:

QUESTION: So after all I have read , you are in fact saying God is passing information /orders and instructs only the anointed who are to be kings and priest via his angels?

MY REPLY:
No Johan,
That is not what my reply explained.
My reply in summary, is that God is passing information to Jesus Christ, as He always has.
Jesus Christ in turn, by means of Holy Spirit, shares that information with his anointed priests, depending upon what their individual assignment is. (Rev.5:2,4,5,7; John 16:15; Rev.1:1).
As I explained previous, non-human angels have nothing to do with this.
Christ feeds his own anointed slaves/priests (John 6:51; Luke 12:35,36,37; 17:8; Rev.3:20).
and his slaves/priests, feed his sheep (John 21:17).
The anointed prophets are also called angels (Rev.1:20; Heb.1:7; 12:22,23)
and the prophecies which speak of angel messengers, are speaking of sealed anointed,
who have become spirit (Rom.8:9,11; John 3:6; 5:24;  1Pet. 1:22,23;  1John 3:14; Matt.22:30; John 8:51; Rev.20:6).
If you don't consider the scriptures fully,
you will not find the answer clearly.

Thank you for following up, and please let me know if these additional scriptures help to clarify.
All the best,
Pearl

----FOLLOW-UP #2:

QUESTION:
Thanks for taking your time to  answer and are you aware that the WTS claims that God who is the sole interpreter of his sacred word and prophecies merely uses the F&DS to publish those interpretations using the angels to pass on the info after Jesus as His mouthpiece revealed it to the angles to pass on to the FDS/Remnant?

REPLY:

God IS the sole interpreter of His own Word (Gen.40:8; Dan.2:27,28; Job 33:15,16; Ps.25:14; Amos 3:7;  1Cor. 12:10,11).
If you wrote a letter; Who would be the best person to explain what you meant by it...
...someone who didn't know you? ...or you, yourself?
God's Spirit gives interpretation (1Cor. 2:10).
That spirit is sent out to the entirety of God's land/"earth"/"seven congregations", through the "seven stars"/"lamps"/"angels" (Rev.5:6; 3:1; 4:5; 1:20).
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/search?q=seven+stars
As you can see partially from the above scriptures (and the ones to follow); God does speak through His faithful slaves 
*(Matt.10:20; Luke 12:12;  1Thess. 2:13) (2Sam. 23:2; Mark 12:36; Luke 21:15; Acts 2:4;  2Pet. 1:12,21).

As far as the WTS claiming that between Jesus Christ and his faithful slaves, there are unseen "angels" who relay his message...
Hopefully as a result of reading all the scriptures I have provided thus far,
you can deduce that such is clearly not the case. 

The truth is that God does speak through His chosen priests, (Mal.2:7; Matt.5:14;  1Pet. 2:9), (see scriptures *above).
What we each must discern is... which of these priestly prophets ARE the true and faithful ones,
and which are the false and unfaithful (Matt.24:45,24; 7:15,16,17,18,19,20; John 7:17,18; 8:47)
(pearl-finetrees.blogspot.com)

In their case (WTS)...this receiving information from unseen spirit beings other than Christ, may be so...
because scripture reveals that the UNfaithful slaves of Christ,
ARE  being spiritually fed by unseen messengers other than Christ (2Cor. 11:3;  1Tim. 4:1; Rev.16:13,14).

Now I must tell you, that you are dragging behind in the current doctrines of the WTS.
When you say that the WTS teaches that angels "pass on to the FDS/ Remnant" interpretations of scripture;
you reveal that you have not learned about their recent change in doctrine.
  The WTS no longer teaches that the "remnant" are the FDS.
They teach that the governing body of today are alone and exclusively... the FDS.

Of greatest import here, is that no one should claim the stature of FDS (Luke 12:42; 17:10) because only Jesus Christ has the right to bestow that title (Rom.14:4; 2Pet.3:17NIV ; 1Cor.10:12; Mal.3:2; Rev.2:5), when he returns and calls his servants into account (Matt.25:19-21; 2Cor.5:10; John12:48).

So in answer to your current question...
Yes, I am aware of what the current doctrine of the WTS is, regarding the avenue of knowledge from God to men...and now you are also. 
(https://pearl-divineeducation.blogspot.com/)
Jesus declared that such vacillating doctrines of men make the Word of God "invalid", and convert any worship directed toward God, to be "in vain". (Mark 7:13,7) 
Although I am aware of the various and confusing doctrines from a variety of false prophets; I do not see the spiritual value of admitting to such knowledge, to myself or anyone else.

For this reason, I prefer to spend my time working to shed light on God's Words...and not man's (Rom.3:4; Psalm 36:9). Please use my services accordingly.

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Who is "Israel"?

A QUESTION:
Pearl,
Do you yourself believe that the Jewish people today, will come to know Jesus and see him as the true Messiah that was sent by Jah?

MY REPLY:

The answer to this question first requires that your definition of "Jew" be defined.
If as I suspect, you define "Jew" based upon physical traits, then my answer must be a conditional "No".
If you define "Jew" upon spiritual traits, then my answer must be a conditional "Yes".
Why are each of these answers "conditional"?
Because those spiritual Jews who "see" can become "blind"; and those physical Jews who are "blind" can be made to "see" (Rom.11:22,23,24).
It is as Jesus said...those who are God's chosen people must "endure to the end" to be finally saved (Matt.24:13; Eze.33:18,19).

Now because of a prevailing and popular attitude about the salvation of ethnic "Jews", I will assume which of these options is the intent of your question. If I assume wrongly, please notify me, and I will reconsider your clarified question.
I will assume that you are asking...
"Will those considered Jews by physical descent alive today (or in the time of the end) be converted in Faith to true Christianity, and thereby fulfill scriptural prophecy regarding 'Israel'?"

I hope this rephrased question is the right choice from among the above options. This is the most popular interpretation of your words; So I will reply accordingly.

God's people today, are no longer Jews by physical descent.
Please examine the scriptural basis for this conclusion....

"Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you (the Jews) and given to a people who will produce its fruit." Matt.21:43 (Matt.7:19; John15:16,5; Prov.12:14; Heb.13:15; 1Pet.2:5,9,10)

"You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” For if God did not spare the natural branches (natural physical Jews), he will not spare you either. If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot (Gentiles--not Jews), have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap (holy spirit) from the olive root (John15:4,5; 1Cor.12:13), do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you." (Rom.11:19,21,17,18)

"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you did not want it. "Behold, your house is being left to you abandoned!" (Matt.23:37,38) (Josh.24:20; 2Chron.15:2; 7:19,20,21,22; 1Chron.28:9; 1Kings9:7; Matt.24:2)

God's past promises made to physical Jews will not fail, despite their rejection of the Messiah. How? Paul tells us how:
"Well then, has God failed to fulfill his promise to Israel? No, for not all who are born into the nation of Israel are truly members of God's people!" (Rom.9:6)
If God only accepts Jews of faith in Christ, he has fulfilled his promise toward Jews through that remnant of faithful (Rom.9:27; John 1:11-12).
And God can add to that nation, by converting Gentiles who imitate Abraham's faith, into "Jews" to bless. Then His promises of blessings are still fulfilled to his New hybrid nation who are all SPIRITUAL Jews, yet physically both Jew and Gentile (Eph.2:15-19; Rom.2:28-29; 4:9-12; Gal.3:28-29).
Just as we can prove ourselves sons of God by imitation (Eph.5:1)
or sons of Satan by imitation (John8:44)
we can become sons of Abraham (Jews) by imitation of his faith (Heb.6:12).
"I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, and in this way, all Israel will be saved." (Rom.11:25,26)
Can you discern from these two scriptures, that the means by which God's promises will be fulfilled toward Israel, is by means of the compensation by Gentiles to fulfill the deficient full number by physical Jews? By God's acceptance of Gentiles into His new faithful Nation (thereby cleansing Gentiles into spiritual Jews/"Israel"); the promises He made will be fulfilled...
"For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise. So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith (not through physical descent);  for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise." (Gal.3:18,26,27,28,29)

This is why Paul did not assume his salvation was based upon his Jewish flesh. (Phil.3:3; Gal.6:15)
He based it upon a "circumcision of the heart" which cleansing by spirit occurs to those who become spiritual Jews (Rom.2:28,29) and heirs of Abraham (Gal.3:29).

The "Old Covenant" ("Law") was "near to passing away" and being replaced through Christ (Heb.8:7,8,6,13; Matt.5:17). He is the "seed" who fulfilled and received the promises to Abraham (Gal.3:16). But he was to share his authority and inheritance with his brothers (Gal.3:22; Phil.3:10,11; Rom.6:5; 8:17; 2Pet.1:4). As physical descendants of Abraham, the Jews were first to be offered the inheritance of the kingdom (Matt.15:24; 10:6; Acts13:46; Rom.15:8; Matt.15:24), but this preference would not last (Luke8:21; Heb.8:13; Acts13:44,45,46; 18:6; Luke24:47; Rom.11:19; John15:2; Matt.21:43). God could raise up sons of Abraham ("Jews") from even Gentiles (Luke3:8; Rom.2:28,29; Gal.3:14,28,29; Gal.4:28,26; Matt.21:43; Acts.10:34,35; 15:8,9,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19; Gen.17:3,4,5; Rev.5:9,10). These would stand by means of faith, not by means of their Jewish flesh (Rom.11:20; 2Cor.1:24; Heb.6:12,15; 10:36).

God has allowed the free-will choice of the physical Jews to either accept or reject what God has offered them (Matt.27:23,25; Acts 18:6; Rom.11:25; 9:18; 11:7,12) until the full number of required anointed priests and kings is fulfilled by "Gentiles" (all nations). That required number is not literal, but rather is the full number of all those who can be saved (2Pet.3:9; John 18:9; Rom.10:13-17; Mark 8:35; Rev.6:9-11).
Once the "remnant" of physical Jews of faith in Christ were gathered (Rom.9:27; 11:5); the rest of the anointed flock of Christ was completed by means of physical Gentiles. These two groups would become "one flock" over which there would be "one shepherd".
Two links to help with this understanding:
(4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/04/anointed-flockthe-truth.html)
(4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/01/what-is-jew-what-is-gentile-answers-to.html)
(http://godsavesisrael.blogspot.com/)

All the prophecies that mention the final salvation to the "Jews", are speaking of those  )

who are God's nation by means of faith (Rom.9:26; 8:14). These become "Jews" in spirit. God's original promise to Abraham specified that he would be father, not just to Jews, but to "many nations" (Gen.17:5,7). Abraham is father to those who imitate his faith, though which they inherit the promises given to him and his seed (Gal.3:29; Rom.4:9,12-13).
Abraham's seed are the same spiritual "Jews" being spoken of in the symbolic book of Revelation (Rev.7:4; 21:14). A spiritual Jew is a person of uncompromising divine truth (John 1:47; Rev.14:1,5).

 ( LINK: "Who are the Twelve Tribes?" )

These are the same 144000 seen on "Mt. Zion" (Rev.14:1) and are equated in scripture with New Jerusalem (Isa.2:3; Heb.12:22; Rev.21:2).

So although many formally and informally trained "scholars" declare that we should expect a miraculous conversion of physical Jews, in order to fulfill God's promises to save "Israel";
the scriptures identify
 who "Israel" actually is,
 the means by which this entire new nation will be "saved",
 and clarifying precisely who will fulfill and receive those very promises.
 (Jer.31:33; Rom.2:14,15; Acts10:35; 15:9,14; Isa.43:21; 1Pet.2:9,10; Rev.5:9,10).

  I know that there are many more scriptures which establish these things, and I apologize for not including all of them. I hope the ones I was enabled to offer, are sufficient to give you a clear reply.
If not, please follow up with your additional question.
God bless you in your search for truth (Matt.13:11),
Pearl
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Dear "The Message",
I will quote (and underline) some of your previous post and cited scriptures, and within it, offer some scriptural considerations.

Gen 22:18 And by means of your seed all nations of the earth will certainly bless themselves due to the fact that you have listened to my voice."

Yes, God made this promise to Abraham and his seed. Who is that "seed" physically descended from Abraham?
Please consider Gal.3:16...
"The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ".
So,
Christ fulfilled God's promise to Abraham's "seed".
He shares that throne, with those whom God chooses to be His new people (Eph.2:15) (Rev.3:21; 2Tim.2:12; Rev.2:26; Luke 19:17) (Eph.1:4,10; 3:8-9; Col.1:27) without any preference to physical lineage (see below).
Christ was eligible to fulfill that promise, because he was also born under the Law Covenant as a Jew (Gal.4:4-5). < He redeemed only those of Israel, who accepted him [Matt.15:24; John 1:11; 12:48-49; 8:13,24,26,33,37,39-44,47; 3:36; Matt.20:18-19; John 19:11; Matt.27:24-25; 21:43; 23:33-38; Rev.17:6 (Luke 13:33 B) Rev.19:2. 
(Matt.3:9; Rom.2:28-29; 9:6; Gal.6:15-16; 3:28-29; Eze.36:26-28; 1Pet.2:10,9,5).
Those who have God's Laws on their hearts, have a spiritual mark on them (Deut.11:18; Rev.14:1). Those who follow other Laws (John 8:44) have a different mark (Rev.13:16-18; 16:13,15). They are not serving God (Rev.7:3), nor do they inherit the promises (John 3:36; Rom.4:13; Heb.6:12).
Jesus also fulfilled the Law that he was born under (Rom.10:4), which then, passed away (Heb.8:7,13,9,10; 9:15; Rev.5:9-10)... replaced by the New Covenant. 
Remember... the covenant to Abraham made him father of many nations (Gen.17:4; Rom.4:13,16; 1:16; Gal.3:7-9), with no designation of partiality to any nation in particular (Acts 10:34-35).

This is the foremost covenant, the world will experience a blessing by means of Abraham's seed. This seed of Abraham comprises of both a physical seed, the Jews
and a spiritual seed, Christians.

Yes, both the physical seed of Abraham and the spiritual, are realities.
The reality of physical seed, does not guarantee that this seed are heirs.
True, the Jews were given preference, by being offered the inheritance first.
Those under Law who accepted Christ while that offer stood open (Matt.10:5-6; Heb.8:13; Rom.1:16; Acts 13:26-28,44-51; 15:7-9,14-17), received the reward which their faith incurred (Rom.11:1,5,7,11,14,19-23,35). 

No one can deny that the Jews are the physical seed of Abraham. 
No one can deny that Christians are the spiritual seed of Abraham by means of faith.

ALL are seed of Abraham by means of Faith 
(Rom.4:12-13,16; Gal.3:7,9,14,27-29; Col.3:11). The physical seed of Abraham who lack faith (and are not a part of the remnant - Rom.9:27; John1:11-12), are no longer considered Abraham's seed (John 8:39,44), nor do they inherit the earth (Gen.13:14-15; Rom.4:13; Ps.37:29).

The conclusion: Both aspects of Abraham's seed exist and are legitimate!
The Jews are part of the new covenant. God explicitly says:
Jer 31:33,34 "For this is the covenant that I shall conclude with the house of Israel after those days," is the utterance of YHVH. "I will put my law within them, and in their heart I shall write it. And I will become their God, and they themselves will become my people." 
"And they will no more teach each one his companion and each one his brother, saying, 'KNOW YHVH!' for they will all of them know me, from the least one of them even to the greatest one of them," is the utterance of YHVH. "For I shall forgive their error, and their sin I shall remember no more" 

But who is the "house of Israel"??? (Rom.9:6; 2:28-29; Phil.3:3; Heb.3:6) 
Who is considered "Israel" by God (Gal.6:16). God considers Israel his "flock" of sheep (Jer.31:10). The Jews who repented and accepted Christ (Acts 13:24-25), were the little flock (Luke 12:32). When Jesus brings in the Gentiles, they become ONE FLOCK without a divided distinction among them (John 10:16; Eph.2:15; Isa.56:8; Eze.37:24; John 11:52; Gal.3:26; Rom.8:27).
Who have God's Laws written on their hearts? (Eze.37:24; Deut.6:6,8; Rev.14:1)... who become God's people? (1Pet.2:10,9,5) Whose error is forgiven? (Heb.9:15; Rev.5:9-10)
Who really know God? (Isa.43:6-7,10,12,25,21; 1Pet.2:9; John 6:46; Matt.11:27)
    Just those who bear Abraham's physical genes?
Jer. 31:33,34 does not insist upon this.
All God's Sons must have God's Laws in their hearts.
(Luke 8:11,15)

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"Unless you eat my flesh"

QUESTION:
When you find time, I was wondering if you could help clarify something for me.
I have done a lot of research on partaking at the Lord’s Evening Meal already, but kinda put it on the “back burner”. The scriptures indicate to me as well as the fact that the non-Israelites partook of the Passover Lamb before the “exodus”, that if “we want to have anything to do with Christ”, whether having a heavenly or earthly hope, rejecting the emblems would be tantamount to rejecting Christ.
  Any help in this matter would be appreciated.

MY REPLY:
I will tell you right off, that John 6:53 does not mean what many are making of it....
namely, that all should partake.

Although all partook of the passover lamb;
those who were actually saved by this provision were the "firstborn" (Heb.11:28; 12:22,23; James 1:18).
I know it sounds like Jesus is speaking of the memorial emblems in John 6:53, but he is not.
He is speaking of taking in and believing truth (John 6:63,55,47,48,49,50; 17:3,17). This is symbolic, which plays out in the context.
John 6:54,58 speaks of the same manna as the "hidden manna" of Rev.2:17. (see John 14:21)
This "bread from heaven" is not the simple emblems of literal bread and wine (John 6:31,51) as if eating the literal emblems, magically results in eternal life. These do not result in "eternal life". 
John 17:3 makes plain, that such life results from a knowledge of God and Christ (Matt.28:20). Since "bread from heaven" and "knowledge" are both taught by God's Word as the source of eternal life; why not simply accept what so many scriptures confirm....
that taking in the "bread from heaven" is taking in a knowledge of truth (1Cor. 5:8), as delivered by Christ from his Father in heaven. Taking in the bread from heaven, is not eating literal bread.

Christ was the "Word" of God personified. He was truth, without which we cannot be sanctified (John 14:6; 17:17), disciplined (Rev.2:16; Heb.12:6), and made wise for salvation (2Tim. 3:15). This does not happen magically, through the simple act of eating literal bread and wine. When Jesus spoke of life resulting from his flesh and blood, he was not referring to literal emblems.
The manna/bread from heaven, being referred to in John chapter 6, is not the memorial emblems at all, but rather, an illustration about Truth as personified in Christ.

Although the emblems are also symbolic, they are a different application of the symbolism of bread, in that they were presented as symbols on the last night of Christ's human life. There they represent becoming one with Christ (as a wife) and that blood is one of a covenant with her (Luke 22:20,19; Eph.5:25; Rev.5:9,10).
  Please read and ponder all these scriptures. 
If you doubt that the same symbols can be used for different meanings, please consider Luke 8:11 (scripture); Matt.13:38 (disciples); John 12:24 (a life to sacrifice).

Returning to the connection between the emblems shared by Jesus' disciples at Passover, and the passover lamb to save the firstborn of Israel in Egypt (Heb.11:28;  1Cor. 5:7; Heb.12:22-23; James 1:18)... The provision of life to those who are not the firstborn from sin and death, is also clearly given within the scriptures (John 13:20; Matt.10:41; 5:14,16; John 7:38; Rev.22:17; Zech.8:23). The anointed branches of the true vine, are the channels of light, life, living waters, and truth (John 15:4,5,8; Matt.7:20; Rom.11:17;  2Cor. 5:20) to those who "come to life" after the firstborn (John 13:20; Matt.10:40-42). 

Remember that although many put faith in Christ (John 8:30; 12:11), only the 11 were at this event (Luke 22:14; John 6:70). Of those Chosen Ones (John 6:70; 15:19) to come after the original twelve (Eph.1:4; 2:10,20-22;  1Cor. 12:18,28; Col.2:11; Eph.5:26; James 1:18;  2Thess. 2:13;  2Tim. 1:9; Rev.17:14), ...those had to discern their place in the body of Christ, in order to partake worthily (1Cor. 11:29; 12:18).
If we are not a part of Christ's body (as his one-"flesh" wife Matt.19:6) (really...one spirit wife -  1Cor. 6:17), we do not partake of the symbol of this union and hope (Phil.3:10-11,12-13,14; 2:15; Rom.8:17,9; Gal.2:20; John 17:21). This is the sacred secret of the bond between the chosen firstborn and Christ. This is why this relationship is compared to marriage. 
This covenant is not for those who receive life by means of God's chosen priests (Matt.28:19-20; Mal.2:7;  1Cor. 4:1; Rev.22:17). The "children" to follow the firstborn "mother", receive life through a further provision, an eternal covenant to come during the kingdom of these sealed kings. (Rev.21:2-5; 22:1,2; Rom.8:19; Gal.3:26,29; John 5:29; Mal.3:18)

Remember too, that Jesus was speaking to Jews already in covenant with God (Matt.15:24; 10:6). If these accepted the teachings of Jesus Christ, they would have a part of the New Covenant, which "Old Covenant" was "near to passing away" and being replaced through Christ (Heb.8:7,8,6,13; Matt.5:17). As physical descendants of Abraham, the Jews were first to be offered the inheritance of the kingdom, but this preference would not last (Heb.8:13; Acts 13:44,45,46; Luke 24:47; Rom.11:19; John 15:2; Matt.21:43). God could raise up sons of Abraham from even Gentiles (Luke 3:8; Rom.2:28,29; Gal.3:14,28,29; Matt.21:43; Acts 10:34,35; 15:8,9,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19; Gen.17:3,4,5).
The point is, those to whom Jesus spoke at John 6:53 were those Jews, still in covenant, and still eligible for the kingdom inheritance. That door is not open to all today. Not all are in the "Law" covenant, which covenant has now been done away with, replaced by one with those specifically chosen by God and Christ from all nations, who now become spiritual Jews (Jer.31:33; Acts 15:14; Isa.43:21;  1Pet.2:9; Rev.5:9,10). The promises to Abraham are not by means of the Law Covenant with the Jews. They were to Abraham, and to his seed of "many nations" (Gen.17:4,7).
As we read at Gal.3:17,18:
"What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years (AC) later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise. For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise."

Abraham's seed are the same spiritual "Jews" being spoken of in the symbolic book of Revelation (Rev.7:4; 21:14).
These are the same 144000 seen on "Mt. Zion" (Rev.14:1) and are equated in scripture with New Jerusalem (Isa.2:3; Heb.12:22; Rev.21:2).

https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/01/what-is-jew-what-is-gentile-answers-to.html

Link: Little-Flock

https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/04/anointed-flockthe-truth.html

I hope these scriptures clarify things for you. Please ask if anything is unclear.
Love in Christ,
Pearl
PS. Additional info. can be attained by 
Link:Those-not-anointed.What-benefit-now?
and
pearl-newcovenant.blogspot.com
Thank you for your good question,
Pearl

Link: Who Should Partake?
For more information about partaking...
1. https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2015/03/who-should-gather-for-memorial.html
2. Link:Who-should-partake?
3. https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014/06/discerning-body.html

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Annual Meeting 2013

There are some consistent reports of what transpired at this year's annual meeting yesterday. 
A large number of attendees transmitted their notes to common sites for comparison.
  Although there was no anticipated overt demand for allegiance by the GB on behalf of the Org. at this time,
such is already fully manifested through covert means. How typical of Satan. His machinations are well camouflaged, and designed to be undetectable.
Now that the GB has declared themselves the only "faithful and discreet slave" (Isa.47:8; John5:31; Luke17:10; Luke12:42,41,40; Mark13:36,37);
let us see what they have to impart to their audience.

Of what the attendees transmitted, I have gleaned a few statements from the GB members, and have included below, some scriptural thoughts for comparison. Paraphrased statements by GB members will be highlighted.

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Mark Sanderson "a display to honor Jehovah"

New bible display created at headquarters, displays pages from many bible manuscripts and versions. Great effort was extended to acquire antique and rare copies of the Bible.

Is such a collection of publications, truly what "honors" God? (John15:8,5; Matt.5:16; Matt.7:17,20)

Whatever the claims of men, the truth comes from Christ. 

He was foremost to "honor" God, yet the means by which he did so, never included a display of physical goods, nor his ability to acquire material treasures.

It was the Pharisees who felt that a materialistic and physical display of scripture, was actually of value.

Note Matt.23:5, where Jesus said of them...

"Everything they do is for show. On their arms they wear extra wide prayer boxes with Scripture verses inside, and they wear robes with extra long tassels."

As with the religious Leaders of Jesus' day, such displays emphasize the material and physical, not the spiritual (1Cor.2:10,12,13,14). 

Was it God's purpose for both the Bible and the Hebrew scrolls, to be physically displayed as "priceless relics"?

What is the real value of God's Word, both in the time of Christ and today?

What does God intend for us to accomplish by means of the Bible and "prayer boxes" filled with scripture?

At Deut.11:18, God tells us...

"Fix these words of mine in your hearts and minds; tie them as symbols on your hands and bind them on your foreheads".

"Symbols on your hands and forehead"...

Yes...a SYMBOL, that God's words would guide our minds and actions (John14:17) (Rev.13:16). 

Yet the Pharisees thought that by means of a visual display of God's guidance,

one could established their own righteousness. 

Such a display does not honor God, but as Christ's criticism established (Matt.23:26,28), it mocks Him.

A Bible only contains power and value for us, if the wisdom within it is used and obeyed. What spiritual benefit is derived from a material display?

According to Jesus Christ, none. But if we are inclined to think otherwise, we diminish the spiritual value and authority which the Bible contains...

and we rightly deserve the name which Jesus called such men...

"Hypocrites!"

Was this spirit of hypocrisy displayed by the expressions of governing body members during this meeting?

Despite the lavish physical display of scripture, now view-able at headquarters,

note the next comment given by Guy Pierce...

"Paul did NOT mean to test the faith as in test the religion. We KNOW we have the true religion already."

Undoubtedly Mr. Pierce refers to 2Cor.13:5...
"Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Surely you know that Jesus Christ is among you; if not, you have failed the test of genuine faith."

If Mr. Pierce denies that "faith" is our beliefs...our "religion"...
what definition of "faith" does he have in mind?
Is he speaking of unwavering trust in his governing body, or the Organization?
Are the sheep to test out their unwavering faith in, and loyalty to those things?
Is this what Paul really had in mind?

Having the faith mentioned in 2Cor.13:5 is associated with having "Jesus Christ among/in you".
The verse tells us that if our faith becomes a counterfeit, Jesus Christ will no longer be among us.

What "faith" is required to retain Christ within us? (Eph.3:17,19,20; 4:13; John14:23; Rom.8:10,9; Col.1:23)
In the very next verse (2Cor.13:6), Paul declares that he himself does not fail this test of faith and union with Christ.
Was Paul referring to faith in men or an organization? (Gal.1:11,12,19,20,10,6,7,8; Eph.4:5; Col.1:23)
If we read the next verses, we see what Paul means by "failing the test" of faith (2Cor.13:7,8)...
"Now we pray to God that you will not do anything wrong--not so that people will see that we have stood the test but so that you will do what is right even though we may seem to have failed. For we cannot do anything against the truth, but only for the truth."

The test of true faith, are the deeds which result toward the truth.
To be "in the faith" is to be "for truth" in union with Christ.
To "fail the test" of faith, is to work "against the truth" and to lose union with Christ.

What truth? Is the source of that truth, an unquestioning trust in men, or an organization?
Jesus said:
"Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (John14:6) (Rom.5:2)
When Paul said "And I trust that you will discover that we have not failed the test." (2Cor.13:6)...
note what test he refers to, mentioned in the context 2Cor.13:3...
"since you are demanding proof that Christ is speaking through me. He is not weak in dealing with you, but is powerful among you."

The test was demanding proof that Christ indeed did speak through Paul. He did not fail that test.
It was not an organization or a governing group that spoke through Paul. Should Paul's audience just have assumed that Paul automatically represented the "true religion"?
Paul passed this test of wise scrutiny, because he was loyal in working "for the truth" from Christ;
even though it appeared that Paul "seemed to have failed" (2Cor.13:7).
Why did Paul say that it appeared he failed?
Paul only worked for truth from Christ, yet was in "ill-repute" (2Cor.6:8; 1Cor.4:10,13) by those who had taken power to rule (1Cor.4:8,2). These spoke against Paul and his work for truth (Rom.3:8). Would not such men as those, be the real ones to "fail the test" of faith in the truth of Christ?

Then Paul says he hopes that this seeming failure, will not cause his hearers to "do anything wrong". Here Paul was concerned for his hearers, that they not reject him on the basis of those slandering him as failing this test of faith (Luke10:16).

Faith is defined at Heb.11:1.
"Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see."

That definition of faith is a belief and hope for the future. That faith is according to the promises of God found within His Word (Col.1:23). That, is the "true religion".
If any organization, or body of powerful men, pervert that hope, belief, or promises,
 from unity with the teachings of Christ and scripture; (Col.2:8; 1John4:1; 1Tim.4:1)
then we'd better "test" that "religion"!

When we "test" if we are "in the faith",
we are testing whether what we believe and hope for, is in harmony with truth,
 defined by scripture and the teachings of Christ. 
If it is not, we lose our unity with the spirit of Christ (1Cor.6:17; Gal.2:20; John15:5; 1John2:28).
God's Word does not mention "religion", "organization", or "governing body" when speaking of passing the test of faith.
It speaks of testing our hopes, confidence, and belief,
and making certain that they are derived from the truth of Christ.
That would certainly call into question, our "religion".


"Have nothing to do with "bum" witnesses." 

I will simply reply to this with scripture...

(Matt.7:1,2; Rom.15:1,2; 14:4; 12:10; 1Thess.5:14; 1Cor.9:22; 12:22,23,24,25)
(1Cor.10:12; 8:2; Prov.16:18; Rev.3:17,18; Phil.2:3; Luke21:2,3; Matt.5:22; 2Tim.2:24,25; 1John4:20; 3:14; Micah6:8)


In speaking about the new Bible translation...

Guy Pierce This new information is confidential. Please do not share it.

Apparently, this "new information" is not sourced with Christ.
(Matt.10:27; Acts5:20; Rom.14:19; 15:2; Eph.4:29,25; Mal.2:7)

Will there be a reference bible version? Yes. The study bible is being worked on. 

So being able to compare Bible verses to define scriptural meaning, is missing?

This is a "witnessing bible", one that will help us in our ministry. It will also help in personal study.
Contains a mini reasoning book and an Extensive appendix. 

So our personal study does not need to make use of a bible "reference"? Apparently, Mr. Pierce feels that a "mini reasoning book" and "appendix" (all consisting of men's doctrine) is sufficient (Rom.3:4; Mark7:6,7).

"We are sure that all of you will be mindful in making contributions to the world wide publishing work." – Guy Pierce
Where is the scriptural support for this directive?

"Brother" Lett. commanded all, to "Take care of your new bible".

By insinuating that his hearers need this command, is he not heaping unkind, baseless shame on his hearers? Is he not raising the organization's new version higher than other sources of God's Word and above the value of his hearers,
perhaps making them feel unworthy of possessing it, or of questioning it's translation?

Most unusual feature is an outlined summary before each individual book.
Rev.22:18,19

eliminated the long conclusion for Mark 16, the short conclusion as well. They've done away with John 7:53-8:11

Sheol and Hades removal, replaced with "grave".

"Sheol and Abaddon are never full/satisfied, Nor are the eyes of man ever satisfied." (Prov.27:20)

The scriptural "Sheol" is NOT the grave, but refers to the Abyss. Without translating "Sheol" accurately, the meaning of Revelation is beyond reach.

Hebrew word written as "kidneys", will now be translated as "deep emotions".

This liberty goes beyond scriptural interpretation.
Who is the authority that knows that when God's Word says "kidneys", that it means "deep emotions"?
The kidneys filter the blood, and we know the significance of that (Lev.17:11,14).
To "filter" one's soul and remove it's impurities (2Cor.7:1) is to advance in holiness (1Pet.1:16).
This is a good conscience....not "deep emotions".

God's will to be completed by the end of the millennium. Very casually said by Mr. Louche

Who knows what this means, but it may insinuate that the "Thousand Years" of Christ's kingdom started in 1914, (ruling without the completed 144000) and that at the end of that period, the "subduing" of Christ's enemies will be completed. 

In truth, Christ's enemies are being subdued since long before 1914 (Luke10:19,18,17; Matt.28:18; Luke22:69; Psalm110:1).

When the last battle, "Armageddon" is finished, the judgment of all, is finished.

Mr. Louche does not understand the kingdom, according to scripture. The symbolic "thousand years" does not run from 1914 - 2914. 

When the end comes, this is when 1Cor.15:24,25,26 is fulfilled (1Cor.15:54; 2Cor.5:2; Rom.8:18,19,23).

Help your teenagers stay separate from the world and remain holy. You don't want them to marry outside The Lord when they grow up.

Marrying "in the Lord" is speaking of marrying within the body of Christ. This is not referring to any but the members of that body, the anointed Temple of God. (1Cor.12:27; Rom.12:5; 8:9; 1Cor.6:15,14; Eph.5:6,7; 2Cor.11:2,3,4,5). Paul continued...2Cor.11:6 to confirm his genuine reliance upon Christ within him, and not an alliance with "superfine" men, or any organization. (2Cor.13:6,5)

One would expect that with all the effort and expense that "Witnesses" expend to attend such events, that their leaders would have more to offer them as they face the "end of all things" (1Pet.4:7; Isa.65:13).
  Although many inquire of me about my opinion of such events; I am inclined to avoid commenting on them in the future, unless the content of the program contains something significant. 

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