Friday, November 29, 2013

Two Witnesses


The vision at Matt.17:1,2,3,5 was symbolic, and it's purpose was for the education of the Chosen. The reason God's voice came from the cloud is because the "cloud" speaks for God (Heb.12:1; Rev.11:3,4,5; Jer.5:14; Matt.10:20) which "cloud of witnesses" are also personified as "Moses" and "Elijah".
Those who are depicted by these "two witnesses" (John8:17; Rev.11:3; Matt.17:3) will fulfill both roles in the time of the end (Rev.11:3,4; Zech4:14; Matt.17:3,11; Luke1:17; Deut.18:15,19,18; (John1:21); John16:14,15,13; Zech.4:9) after a necessary repentance and cleansing (Joel1:13; Rev.11:3; Mal.3:1,2,3; 2:7; Rev.5:10)...after which they must bear witness to truth.
That brings us to the reason why Christ discussed his departure from Jerusalem which he was about to ACCOMPLISH (Luke9:31; Matt.23:37,38,39; 24:1,2). The only hope the remaining ones of the woman's seed have, at being cleansed and sealed (and found faithfully standing upon their masters return for inspection of his slaves -Rev.6:17; Luke21:36) (which these two DO accomplish -Zech.4:14; Luke18:26,27; Rom.14:4; Jude1:24), is to imitate this crucial aspect of Christ's example (1Pet.2:21; Rom.8:17; Rev.6:9,10,11; 20:4; 19:8).
Just as Christ's departure from Jerusalem and all it stood for, resulted in his death; so too the final witness prophets must die for their faithful witness (as seen in the preceding cited verses).
(After they also leave the apostate City -Matt.24:15,16; Rev.18:4)
Jesus knew the importance of discussing this departure and death, with those who would come to fulfill these two roles, and this aspect of Christ's faithful example.

Remember also, that Moses and Elijah could not have represented what was fading away, because Jesus himself said that this vision was a depiction of his coming in kingdom glory, in the company of his faithful.
This is shown in the context of this vision, in the very verse right before it took place (Matt.16:27,28; 17:1,2,3,5; 2Pet.1:18; Rev.14:1; Matt.25:31; Rev.17:14; 1:20).

I hope these cited scriptures are considered, since each of my assertions are derived from them.
God bless all of honest heart, with spirit and truth.


  1. this women and her side. And Jesus answered and said to them, “See to it that no one misleads you. For many will come in My name, saying, ‘I am the [a]Christ,’ and will mislead many; Many false prophets will arise and will mislead many.

    1. I think you are referring to "the woman and her seed"?
      You seem to think that these words above originate with me, and that perhaps I am using the phrase to refer to myself. You also seem to be saying, that this makes me a false anointed one (false Christ).
      Please let me clarify, where this identity comes from, and who she is.
      If you note Rev.12:17, there is reads;
      "And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her seed (offspring), who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."
      “Woman” is the Bible symbol for COVENANT (Gal.4:24)
      Covenants do “help” God to bring forth promised seed,
      hence, this is an appropriate symbol.
      Gen.3:15; Rev.12:1,2; Gal.4:26
      (Rev.17:5; Isa.28:15)
      A covenant without seed is barren.
      Yet with God as her husbandly owner, the pure covenant by means of Christ, will bear seed.
      Isa.54:1; Gal.4:27; 3:29,26…
      which is speaking of Gal.4:26. Her child is the one referred to at Rev.12:5, and are the same victorious conquerors as mentioned at Rev.2:26,27.
      The barren woman corresponds to “Sarah”. She is “Jerusalem above” according to the context of Gal.4; she is the "New Covenant", according to the same context.
      While that "woman"/covenant, is still a promise in heaven, her seed are not yet done being born. That identity DOES have labor pains.
      When that promise of life to her seed is fulfilled (the child is born and the promise of the mother covenant in heaven is fulfilled)...
      Then that seed becomes the fulfillment of that covenant...the materialized, completed Bride of Christ.
      This fulfilled promise is the fulfilled woman, who does not have labor pains. Her "seed" of the second resurrection, will be brought forth only with joy (Isa.60:1,2,3).

      Additional scriptures:
      Rev.11:3,4; Zech.4:11-14; Rom.3:4; 2Pet.1:19; Rev.10:7

      We are not left on our own to identify these false prophets whom Jesus said would appear. Jesus also gave us direction on how to clearly identify them, as well as how to identify the true, who would also appear (Matt.7:20; Mal.3:18).
      If you would like to read more of Jesus' words about this subject, you can consider:


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