Good day sister Doxsey,
After not being to the meetings in ages last night i briefly went through my mother's watchtower mag and a sub-heading about Jehovah's heavenly organization caught my eye. It was based on Ezekiel chapter 1.
so my question is : What did Ezekiel see and what does it represent?
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MY REPLY:
Firstly,
I wonder, how the Watchtower explained what Ezekiel saw, and how exactly it represents "Jehovah's heavenly wife-like organization" and how it is guiding the WTBTS. We have already proven scripturally, that this man-made term is not the meaning of the heavenly "woman" at all!
(pearl-thewoman.blogspot.com)
I am quite curious how this symbolic vision is explained by means of scripture, to mean that an Organization of spiritual Gentiles (which demands compliance to it's own changing doctrines, under threat of expulsion).... is the "visible" channel of God's spirit, as sourced and depicted in the vision of Eze. ch.1, and Rev.ch.4. The WT equates keeping pace with IT (and it's vacillating corrections --1Cor.14:33; Rom.3:4) as keeping pace with the "chariot" depicted in both Eze.1 and the scroll of Revelation. (Rev.13:6,5)
When the WT speaks of "keeping pace with Jehovah's chariot"; you know it is not truly referring to the "woman"/New Covenant in heaven, but rather a full compliance with the local elders and recent publications.
They interpret these four living creatures as representing God, and His "four attributes", rather than the foundation of the Holy City of sealed conquerors.
Has the WT forgotten, that there is no form in heaven or on earth, which can depict Almighty God? (Isa.40:18,25; 46:5; Deut.5:8; Ex.20:4; Rom.1:25)
Do these manifestations of Almighty God fall down prostrate before the "Lamb"?
(Rev.5:8; 1Cor.15:27,28)
When the scriptures speak of the Lamb, the four living creatures (as first depicted in Eze.1 and Rev.4), the 24 elders, the 144000, and the great crowd (all those seen in heaven); it is depicting in spiritual terms, God's administration and kingdom, through which salvation comes to mankind (Heb.12:22,23,24,28,29; Eph.2:6,7) and through which God's "seven spirits" are channeled "throughout the earth". It is not depicting spirit creatures who are outside that covenant arrangement, and are not the promised "seed" of that heavenly "woman" (Rev.12:1,2; Gal.4:26,24),
through which all the earth will bless themselves (Gal.3:29; Rom.4:13; Gen.22:18).
The WT is blind to the true and full identity of this means of salvation, and has severed the meaning of their false doctrine of a "heavenly organization" as separate from that kingdom administration....labeling these four cherubim as unrelated to the Chosen Ones. This erroneous separation, diminishes the significance and place of God's Chosen and His everlasting purpose for them, so that they are viewed as insignificant... facilitating their "trampling" without invoking any resistance. Satan desires to bring the power of the Holy ones to nothing, and this false doctrine makes that quite easy (Dan.12:7; 7:25; 8:24; Luke21:24; Rev.13:7; 11:2; Matt.5:13).
All those seen in heaven [in the Book of Revelation, (and as depicted in Ezekiel)] are symbolic manifestations of that kingdom administration of sealed priests and kings. This depiction in Ezekiel is a prophetic vision of God's means of salvation to the world. That means is based upon the atoning blood of Christ, and all those of mankind purchased by it (Luke22:20; Rev.5:9-10) (Rev.12:5; 2:26-27; 17:14; John6:70; Luke22:20). That kingdom is depicted as many things (in many of Christ's parables), and one of those depictions is in the "four living creatures".
The vision of Ezekiel is a lesson in subjection to God's spirit by spiritual Jews who conquer... those chosen to be priests of God's heavenly Temple (Heb.11:10; 1Pet.2:5,9; 2Cor.6:16; Heb.8:5).
It is not a lesson for those who are anointed, to be in subjection to a "Gentile" Organization that somehow mysteriously keeps pace with, and who are supposedly being guided by "heavenly spirit creatures" and "the four attributes of Jehovah".
I hope this error is made clear to readers, as the following Bible verses expound on Ezekiel chapter one.
A whole book could be written about chapter one of Ezekiel. I will do what I can for now, and continue it as I am empowered and able. I will be as brief and simple as possible regarding what I perceive, by inserting scriptures which I believe have a modern day (and near future) bearing on what Ezekiel wrote. If you have further questions, please follow up.
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EZEKIEL Chapter One:
1 Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, on the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the River Chebar [This is the royal canal of Nebuchadnezzar (King of Babylon -Rev.12:15), which fed the Euphrates, and where some of God's people were being held captive. (Rev.9:14; 13:10; Luke21:24; Col.2:8; 2Cor.11:3-4; Rev.2:20; 2Cor.11:20,13-15).
I believe that the "king" of the Gentile nations (Egypt, Babylon), are prophetic for Satan himself (Eze.32:2; Psalm89.10; Ps.74:13,14; Isa.27:1; 57:20; 1 John 5:19)], that the heavens were opened (Matt.3:16; Rev.4:1; Luke 24:45) and I saw visions of God (Num.12:6; Amos3:7; John 16:13; Rev.22:6).
[It is no coincidence that this vision of the four living creatures is associated with this location (river Chebar) and situation (captivity).]
2 On the fifth day of the month, which was in the fifth year of King Jehoiachin’s captivity,
(God's people are then captive because of their leaving YHWH.
There is a pattern of God allowing this persecution, in order to discipline his nation back to repentance.
This also happens in the time of the end -Mal.3:1-18; 1Tim4:1;
Rev.16:13,14,15; 13:10,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,14; Jer.44:14;
Joel2:32; Isa.10:22; 27:12,13,1; Rom.11:5; 9:27,28; Matt.24:22)
....but only a small "remnant" repent
(Isa.10:22; Rom.9:27; Rev.11:3).
3 the word of the Lord came expressly to Ezekiel the priest (Mal.2:7), the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the River Chebar; and the hand of the Lord was upon him there (Eze.33:22).
4 Then I looked, and behold, a whirlwind was coming out of the north (Isa.41:25,2;** Rev.16:12; 2:26,27; Isa.10:6; Micah7:10; Zech.10:5; Rev.19:11,14,15; Dan.2:34,44)
[**It may seem contradictory for this identity to come from both,
the North and the East. This is not a contradiction, if viewed
by means of what these two symbols mean. The North is the
land of the enemy. This identity is called forth from that "land",
just as Christ was (Matt.2:15)
(Hosea11:1; Ex.4:22; Num.3:13; James1:18).
From the East...("from the rising sun who calls on my name")
is not a direction, but it is the "land" of the rising sun...
the dawn of light (1Thess.5:4,5,6; Acts26:18; 1John2:8; Rev.7:2)
which Christ gives to those chosen to receive it
(Rev.2:28; 19:9; 2Pet.1:19; Isa.60:1; Rev.16:12).]
a great cloud (Heb.12:1; Rev.1:7; 7:9,10) with raging fire engulfing itself (Luke12:49; Jer.23:29; 5:14; Rev.11:5; Heb.12:29; Mal.4:1-6); and brightness was all around it (Matt.13:43; Ps.37:6; Isa.58:8,10; Prov.4:18) and radiating out of its midst like the color of amber/metal/gold ("golden" praise of God coming from refined hearts --Eze.8:2; Rev.1:13; 3:18; Mal.3:3; Prov.17:3; 27:21; Eph.6:14; Dan.8:14; 1Kings6:22), out of the midst of the fire. (light, from light --Ps.36:9; 43:3; 19:8; Matt.6:22; 25:4,10; Phil.2:15; Dan.12:3; Matt.5:14).
5 Also from within it (Rev.3:12; John7:38; Zech.14:8; Rev.22:1,5,17,3) came the likeness of four living creatures (They were "angels" --Eze.10:20) (Eze.43:20; Zech.1:20,21; Matt.24:31; Rev.4:6,7,8. And this was their appearance: they had the likeness of a man (1Cor.15:45,49; Phil.2:7; Gal.6:15).
6 Each one had four faces (Eze.10:14), and each one had four wings [not 6, like Rev.4:8. (This is previous to the last third being added --Zec.13:9; Job 23:10; Rev.3:18; 8:7,8,9,10,11,12; Isa.48:10)].
---------------to be continued----------------
(Rev.6:1,6; 7:11; 9:13; 14:3; 15:7; 19:4)
7 Their legs were straight, and the soles of their feet were like the soles of calves’ feet (Micah.4:13) (rather than a calves face --Rev.4:7; Eze.10:14).
[To have a "face" of an angel, is to be in a messenger role (1Kings6:23 -two "cheribum" of "olive tree" Zech.4:3,11,12,13,14; Rev.11:4).
To have the "face" of a calf, is to be fulfilling a sacrificial role, as well as those being used by God, to thresh those who previously did the merciless threshing. -Rev.18:6 (Micah.4:13; Hosea 10:11; Hab.3:12; Jer.51:33,20; Isa.41:15,14,16; 17:13; 29:5; Micah 5:8; Dan.2:35) These bronze calves/oxen, were a part of God's original physical Temple. They supported the "sea" which cleansed the priests (2Chron.4:15; 1Kings7:40-50; Ex.30:17-20; Jer.52:17-20] [40 seah/ 150 mikvah/ = 5X30 (5 months)/ 2,000 baths (2x10x10x10) becomes 3,000 baths (1/3 added)].
They (their calves feet) sparkled like the color of burnished bronze (Micah4:13). (1Chron.18:8; 1Kings7:23,24,25,26; 2Chron.4:2,3,4,5,10; Ex.30:18; Jer.52:20)
We know that these things prefigured the heavenly reality -Heb.8:5.
8 The hands of a man were under their wings on their four sides; and each of the four had faces and wings. 9 Their wings touched one another. The creatures did not turn when they went, but each one went straight forward.
10 As for the likeness of their faces, each had the face of a man; each of the four had the face of a lion on the right side, each of the four had the face of an ox on the left side, and each of the four had the face of an eagle. 11 Thus were their faces. Their wings stretched upward; two wings of each one touched one another, and two covered their bodies. 12 And each one went straight forward; they went wherever the spirit wanted to go, and they did not turn when they went.
13 As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, like the appearance of torches going back and forth among the living creatures. The fire was bright, and out of the fire went lightning. 14 And the living creatures ran back and forth, in appearance like a flash of lightning.
15 Now as I looked at the living creatures, behold, a wheel was on the earth beside each living creature with its four faces. 16 The appearance of the wheels and their workings was like the color of beryl, and all four had the same likeness. The appearance of their workings was, as it were, a wheel in the middle of a wheel. 17 When they moved, they went toward any one of four directions; they did not turn aside when they went. 18 As for their rims, they were so high they were awesome; and their rims were full of eyes, all around the four of them. (Zech.4:10) 19 When the living creatures went, the wheels went beside them; and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up. 20 Wherever the spirit wanted to go, they went, because there the spirit went; and the wheels were lifted together with them, for the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. 21 When those went, these went; when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up together with them, for the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.
22 The likeness of the firmament above the heads of the living creatures was like the color of an awesome crystal, stretched out over their heads. 23 And under the firmament their wings spread outstraight, one toward another. Each one had two which covered one side, and each one had two which covered the other side of the body. 24 When they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of many waters, like the voice of the Almighty, a tumult like the noise of an army; and when they stood still, they let down their wings. 25 A voice came from above the firmament that was over their heads; whenever they stood, they let down their wings.
26 And above the firmament over their heads was the likeness of a throne, in appearance like a sapphire stone; on the likeness of the throne was a likeness with the appearance of a man high above it. 27 Also from the appearance of His waist and upward I saw, as it were, the color of amber with the appearance of fire all around within it; and from the appearance of His waist and downward I saw, as it were, the appearance of fire with brightness all around. 28 Like the appearance of a rainbow in a cloud on a rainy day, so was the appearance of the brightness all around it. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord.
Ezekiel Sent to Rebellious Israel
So when I saw it, I fell on my face, and I heard a voice of One speaking."
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After not being to the meetings in ages last night i briefly went through my mother's watchtower mag and a sub-heading about Jehovah's heavenly organization caught my eye. It was based on Ezekiel chapter 1.
so my question is : What did Ezekiel see and what does it represent?
--------------------------------------------------
MY REPLY:
Firstly,
I wonder, how the Watchtower explained what Ezekiel saw, and how exactly it represents "Jehovah's heavenly wife-like organization" and how it is guiding the WTBTS. We have already proven scripturally, that this man-made term is not the meaning of the heavenly "woman" at all!
(pearl-thewoman.blogspot.com)
I am quite curious how this symbolic vision is explained by means of scripture, to mean that an Organization of spiritual Gentiles (which demands compliance to it's own changing doctrines, under threat of expulsion).... is the "visible" channel of God's spirit, as sourced and depicted in the vision of Eze. ch.1, and Rev.ch.4. The WT equates keeping pace with IT (and it's vacillating corrections --1Cor.14:33; Rom.3:4) as keeping pace with the "chariot" depicted in both Eze.1 and the scroll of Revelation. (Rev.13:6,5)
When the WT speaks of "keeping pace with Jehovah's chariot"; you know it is not truly referring to the "woman"/New Covenant in heaven, but rather a full compliance with the local elders and recent publications.
They interpret these four living creatures as representing God, and His "four attributes", rather than the foundation of the Holy City of sealed conquerors.
Has the WT forgotten, that there is no form in heaven or on earth, which can depict Almighty God? (Isa.40:18,25; 46:5; Deut.5:8; Ex.20:4; Rom.1:25)
Do these manifestations of Almighty God fall down prostrate before the "Lamb"?
(Rev.5:8; 1Cor.15:27,28)
When the scriptures speak of the Lamb, the four living creatures (as first depicted in Eze.1 and Rev.4), the 24 elders, the 144000, and the great crowd (all those seen in heaven); it is depicting in spiritual terms, God's administration and kingdom, through which salvation comes to mankind (Heb.12:22,23,24,28,29; Eph.2:6,7) and through which God's "seven spirits" are channeled "throughout the earth". It is not depicting spirit creatures who are outside that covenant arrangement, and are not the promised "seed" of that heavenly "woman" (Rev.12:1,2; Gal.4:26,24),
through which all the earth will bless themselves (Gal.3:29; Rom.4:13; Gen.22:18).
The WT is blind to the true and full identity of this means of salvation, and has severed the meaning of their false doctrine of a "heavenly organization" as separate from that kingdom administration....labeling these four cherubim as unrelated to the Chosen Ones. This erroneous separation, diminishes the significance and place of God's Chosen and His everlasting purpose for them, so that they are viewed as insignificant... facilitating their "trampling" without invoking any resistance. Satan desires to bring the power of the Holy ones to nothing, and this false doctrine makes that quite easy (Dan.12:7; 7:25; 8:24; Luke21:24; Rev.13:7; 11:2; Matt.5:13).
All those seen in heaven [in the Book of Revelation, (and as depicted in Ezekiel)] are symbolic manifestations of that kingdom administration of sealed priests and kings. This depiction in Ezekiel is a prophetic vision of God's means of salvation to the world. That means is based upon the atoning blood of Christ, and all those of mankind purchased by it (Luke22:20; Rev.5:9-10) (Rev.12:5; 2:26-27; 17:14; John6:70; Luke22:20). That kingdom is depicted as many things (in many of Christ's parables), and one of those depictions is in the "four living creatures".
The vision of Ezekiel is a lesson in subjection to God's spirit by spiritual Jews who conquer... those chosen to be priests of God's heavenly Temple (Heb.11:10; 1Pet.2:5,9; 2Cor.6:16; Heb.8:5).
It is not a lesson for those who are anointed, to be in subjection to a "Gentile" Organization that somehow mysteriously keeps pace with, and who are supposedly being guided by "heavenly spirit creatures" and "the four attributes of Jehovah".
I hope this error is made clear to readers, as the following Bible verses expound on Ezekiel chapter one.
A whole book could be written about chapter one of Ezekiel. I will do what I can for now, and continue it as I am empowered and able. I will be as brief and simple as possible regarding what I perceive, by inserting scriptures which I believe have a modern day (and near future) bearing on what Ezekiel wrote. If you have further questions, please follow up.
--------------------------------------------------------
EZEKIEL Chapter One:
1 Now it came to pass in the thirtieth year, in the fourth month, on the fifth day of the month, as I was among the captives by the River Chebar [This is the royal canal of Nebuchadnezzar (King of Babylon -Rev.12:15), which fed the Euphrates, and where some of God's people were being held captive. (Rev.9:14; 13:10; Luke21:24; Col.2:8; 2Cor.11:3-4; Rev.2:20; 2Cor.11:20,13-15).
I believe that the "king" of the Gentile nations (Egypt, Babylon), are prophetic for Satan himself (Eze.32:2; Psalm89.10; Ps.74:13,14; Isa.27:1; 57:20; 1 John 5:19)], that the heavens were opened (Matt.3:16; Rev.4:1; Luke 24:45) and I saw visions of God (Num.12:6; Amos3:7; John 16:13; Rev.22:6).
[It is no coincidence that this vision of the four living creatures is associated with this location (river Chebar) and situation (captivity).]
2 On the fifth day of the month, which was in the fifth year of King Jehoiachin’s captivity,
(God's people are then captive because of their leaving YHWH.
There is a pattern of God allowing this persecution, in order to discipline his nation back to repentance.
This also happens in the time of the end -Mal.3:1-18; 1Tim4:1;
Rev.16:13,14,15; 13:10,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,14; Jer.44:14;
Joel2:32; Isa.10:22; 27:12,13,1; Rom.11:5; 9:27,28; Matt.24:22)
....but only a small "remnant" repent
(Isa.10:22; Rom.9:27; Rev.11:3).
3 the word of the Lord came expressly to Ezekiel the priest (Mal.2:7), the son of Buzi, in the land of the Chaldeans by the River Chebar; and the hand of the Lord was upon him there (Eze.33:22).
4 Then I looked, and behold, a whirlwind was coming out of the north (Isa.41:25,2;** Rev.16:12; 2:26,27; Isa.10:6; Micah7:10; Zech.10:5; Rev.19:11,14,15; Dan.2:34,44)
[**It may seem contradictory for this identity to come from both,
the North and the East. This is not a contradiction, if viewed
by means of what these two symbols mean. The North is the
land of the enemy. This identity is called forth from that "land",
just as Christ was (Matt.2:15)
(Hosea11:1; Ex.4:22; Num.3:13; James1:18).
From the East...("from the rising sun who calls on my name")
is not a direction, but it is the "land" of the rising sun...
the dawn of light (1Thess.5:4,5,6; Acts26:18; 1John2:8; Rev.7:2)
which Christ gives to those chosen to receive it
(Rev.2:28; 19:9; 2Pet.1:19; Isa.60:1; Rev.16:12).]
a great cloud (Heb.12:1; Rev.1:7; 7:9,10) with raging fire engulfing itself (Luke12:49; Jer.23:29; 5:14; Rev.11:5; Heb.12:29; Mal.4:1-6); and brightness was all around it (Matt.13:43; Ps.37:6; Isa.58:8,10; Prov.4:18) and radiating out of its midst like the color of amber/metal/gold ("golden" praise of God coming from refined hearts --Eze.8:2; Rev.1:13; 3:18; Mal.3:3; Prov.17:3; 27:21; Eph.6:14; Dan.8:14; 1Kings6:22), out of the midst of the fire. (light, from light --Ps.36:9; 43:3; 19:8; Matt.6:22; 25:4,10; Phil.2:15; Dan.12:3; Matt.5:14).
5 Also from within it (Rev.3:12; John7:38; Zech.14:8; Rev.22:1,5,17,3) came the likeness of four living creatures (They were "angels" --Eze.10:20) (Eze.43:20; Zech.1:20,21; Matt.24:31; Rev.4:6,7,8. And this was their appearance: they had the likeness of a man (1Cor.15:45,49; Phil.2:7; Gal.6:15).
6 Each one had four faces (Eze.10:14), and each one had four wings [not 6, like Rev.4:8. (This is previous to the last third being added --Zec.13:9; Job 23:10; Rev.3:18; 8:7,8,9,10,11,12; Isa.48:10)].
---------------to be continued----------------
(Rev.6:1,6; 7:11; 9:13; 14:3; 15:7; 19:4)
7 Their legs were straight, and the soles of their feet were like the soles of calves’ feet (Micah.4:13) (rather than a calves face --Rev.4:7; Eze.10:14).
[To have a "face" of an angel, is to be in a messenger role (1Kings6:23 -two "cheribum" of "olive tree" Zech.4:3,11,12,13,14; Rev.11:4).
To have the "face" of a calf, is to be fulfilling a sacrificial role, as well as those being used by God, to thresh those who previously did the merciless threshing. -Rev.18:6 (Micah.4:13; Hosea 10:11; Hab.3:12; Jer.51:33,20; Isa.41:15,14,16; 17:13; 29:5; Micah 5:8; Dan.2:35) These bronze calves/oxen, were a part of God's original physical Temple. They supported the "sea" which cleansed the priests (2Chron.4:15; 1Kings7:40-50; Ex.30:17-20; Jer.52:17-20] [40 seah/ 150 mikvah/ = 5X30 (5 months)/ 2,000 baths (2x10x10x10) becomes 3,000 baths (1/3 added)].
They (their calves feet) sparkled like the color of burnished bronze (Micah4:13). (1Chron.18:8; 1Kings7:23,24,25,26; 2Chron.4:2,3,4,5,10; Ex.30:18; Jer.52:20)
We know that these things prefigured the heavenly reality -Heb.8:5.
8 The hands of a man were under their wings on their four sides; and each of the four had faces and wings. 9 Their wings touched one another. The creatures did not turn when they went, but each one went straight forward.
10 As for the likeness of their faces, each had the face of a man; each of the four had the face of a lion on the right side, each of the four had the face of an ox on the left side, and each of the four had the face of an eagle. 11 Thus were their faces. Their wings stretched upward; two wings of each one touched one another, and two covered their bodies. 12 And each one went straight forward; they went wherever the spirit wanted to go, and they did not turn when they went.
13 As for the likeness of the living creatures, their appearance was like burning coals of fire, like the appearance of torches going back and forth among the living creatures. The fire was bright, and out of the fire went lightning. 14 And the living creatures ran back and forth, in appearance like a flash of lightning.
15 Now as I looked at the living creatures, behold, a wheel was on the earth beside each living creature with its four faces. 16 The appearance of the wheels and their workings was like the color of beryl, and all four had the same likeness. The appearance of their workings was, as it were, a wheel in the middle of a wheel. 17 When they moved, they went toward any one of four directions; they did not turn aside when they went. 18 As for their rims, they were so high they were awesome; and their rims were full of eyes, all around the four of them. (Zech.4:10) 19 When the living creatures went, the wheels went beside them; and when the living creatures were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up. 20 Wherever the spirit wanted to go, they went, because there the spirit went; and the wheels were lifted together with them, for the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels. 21 When those went, these went; when those stood, these stood; and when those were lifted up from the earth, the wheels were lifted up together with them, for the spirit of the living creatures was in the wheels.
22 The likeness of the firmament above the heads of the living creatures was like the color of an awesome crystal, stretched out over their heads. 23 And under the firmament their wings spread outstraight, one toward another. Each one had two which covered one side, and each one had two which covered the other side of the body. 24 When they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of many waters, like the voice of the Almighty, a tumult like the noise of an army; and when they stood still, they let down their wings. 25 A voice came from above the firmament that was over their heads; whenever they stood, they let down their wings.
26 And above the firmament over their heads was the likeness of a throne, in appearance like a sapphire stone; on the likeness of the throne was a likeness with the appearance of a man high above it. 27 Also from the appearance of His waist and upward I saw, as it were, the color of amber with the appearance of fire all around within it; and from the appearance of His waist and downward I saw, as it were, the appearance of fire with brightness all around. 28 Like the appearance of a rainbow in a cloud on a rainy day, so was the appearance of the brightness all around it. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord.
Ezekiel Sent to Rebellious Israel
So when I saw it, I fell on my face, and I heard a voice of One speaking."
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