Monday, June 27, 2016

Symbolic " Earth "

A Part Two addition, and a Part Three, has been added at the end of this post.

What follows is a comment from a forum, criticizing this post: (world-earth-home), and my response to that comment.

COMMENT:
"However, according to Pearl, the terms 'world’ and 'entire inhabited earth’ refer
exclusively to ‘God’s people,’ making a joke of scripture which, for example,
says that there was 'an EARTH standing compactly out of water and in the midst
of water by the word of God, and by those means the WORLD of that time suffered
destruction when it was deluged with water; but by the same word the heavens and
the EARTH that are now are stored up for fire and are being reserved to the day of
judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men.’

Are we therefore to believe that ‘God’s people’ were ‘compactly standing out of
water’ in Noah’s day, and ‘suffered destruction when they were deluged with water’
in the global flood?'"

MY RESPONSE:
(I hope you will read each scripture. Therein lies the key to my response.)

You said;
"However, according to Pearl, the terms 'world’ and 'entire inhabited earth’ refer 
exclusively to ‘God’s people,’ making a joke of scripture which, for example, 
says that there was 'an EARTH standing compactly out of water and in the midst 
of water by the word of God, and by those means the WORLD of that time suffered 
destruction when it was deluged with water; but by the same word the heavens and 
the EARTH that are now are stored up for fire and are being reserved to the day of 
judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men.’

Are we therefore to believe that ‘God’s people’ were ‘compactly standing out of 
water’ in Noah’s day, and ‘suffered destruction when they were deluged with water’ 
in the global flood?'"

An examination of "world"/"cosmos", does not mean the planet or it's inhabitants, but rather, a system/age.
Jesus used this word as a reference to the Jewish system, under the old covenant. (John 15:18,25,19; 1:11)

"Entire inhabited earth" refers to a settlement upon land. According to the symbolic book of Revelation it is a realm distinct from the "sea" (Rev.13:1; Isa.57:20)... the "sea" being a "world" over which, "Leviathan" rules (Eze.32:2; Job 7:12; Isa.27:1; Ps.74:14; Rev.12:3; Gen.3:15; ) (1John 5:19).
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Satan did not rule over God's now filled "earth" (Gen.1:28;  1Cor.15:45;  2Cor.5:17), but God and Christ are it's over-Kings and Lords (Matt.28:18; Eph.1:22; Ps.8:6; Eph.2:10; John 18:37; Rev.1:5; 5:9-10). Through "Zion" (Heb.12:22-23; Eph.2:6; Luke 10:19;  2Cor.5:20), Christ's rule subdues his enemies, while he rules in the midst of them (Ps.110:1-3; Rev.14:1; 19:11,14; 17:14;  2Cor.10:4-6).
God's first creation became enslaved to corruption (Rom.8:20-21;  1Cor.15:22) due to it's being given over to Satan (Heb.2:14; Rom.5:12,17-19), by Adam and Eve's choice to be guided by the Devil rather than God (Gen.3:6; Matt.12:33; Luke 6:43,45).
(two-trees)

We are told at Rom.15:4, that the accounts found in the Bible, have significance for us (2Tim.3:16).... especially those of us who exist in the time of the end (1Cor.10:11), which includes the Great Tribulation and Armageddon. In fact, accounts of the ancient prophets, will be of great significance, in their ability to impart the interpretation and meaning to God's prophetic mysteries, crystallized and condensed in the book of "Revelation" (Rev.10:7;  2Pet.3:2,6-7).
The original events recorded for us, occurred in the physical realm.... obviously.
But is that the significance for us? Will it occur again, physically. No (Gen.9:11).
Does that mean that such epic events have no meaning for us? No (Luke 17:26-30).
In speaking of the "new" creation; 1Cor.15:45-49 explains that it is a spiritual creation (Rom.8:9;  1Cor.6:17). It is of the spirit realm and of heavenly things, and the pattern of the first, physical creations; provide a pattern of what was to come (1Cor.15:46; Col.2:17; Heb.8:5).
This is also the case with the scripture you cite...
(I will break your comment into two quotes, and respond to each.)

"'an EARTH standing compactly out of water and in the midst 
of water by the word of God, and by those means the WORLD of that time suffered 
destruction when it was deluged with water; but by the same word the heavens and 
the EARTH that are now are stored up for fire and are being reserved to the day of 
judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men.’"

Did God's Nation... His "inhabited earth", "stand compactly out of water" in a spiritual sense?
First let us look more closely at what this is describing.
It is drawing a clear distinction between this earth, and it standing "compact" and firm... separate, from the "water".
We have already seen Isa.57:20 (Jude 1:13,12) as regards the identity of the "sea", from which the "earth" stands as distinctly separate
(John 15:19; 17:14;  2Cor.6:17).
We can observe the fulfillment of that accomplishment, at Rev.10:2,5-6.
What then, of the rest of  2Pet.3:6
"and by those means the WORLD of that time suffered 
destruction when it was deluged with water"?
This has also occurred...
Does God's "earth" "suffer destruction", due to being "completely deluged with water"? (Matt.5:13; Luke 21:24; Rev.11:2) ("water" dilutes "salt" - Num.18:19;  2Chron.13:5)
Yes. Please consider Rev.12:15-16,12; Dan.12:7,11; 8:11; 9:27; Isa.5:4-5; 6:11; Rev.13:7,10; Luke 21:24,35-36)
(earth-swallows-satans-river)
Do you see that the "earth", "swallows a river which Satan has disgorged from his mouth" (John 8:44)?
Do you believe that "river" and that "EARTH" (which "swallows"), to be literal???
  Please compare Gen.7:24 to Rev.9:5 [A Jewish month ("5 months" -Rev.9:5), consists of 30 days each (5 months" = 5X30=150 days -Gen.7:24] (Dan.9:26; 11:10,40; Ps.88:17).
[Means of survival: Luke 6:48; Col.2:6-8]
Why then, is the present "earth" ( = "ungodly men" 2Pet.3:7) (Hosea 13:6; Jer.5:7;  1Cor.6:15; Hosea 4:6; Rev.2:23,20-22; 17:2-3), said to be "stored up for fire" (Rev.20:10,15), if it is compared to a flood of waters?
God's Word can be both... "waters" and "fire", depending upon the context of the parable (John 4:10; Rev.22:1) (Jer.23:29; 5:14; Rev.11:5; 20:9).
Jesus compared the flood of Noah's day and the flood at the time of the end, because they are comparable, when the fulfillment is considered as symbolic.

It is helpful to consider the context of your verses (2Pet.3:3-4) and that the indication it gives, that the "end" being spoken about in the context, goes unrecognized.
That is because it is not indicated by physical signs, but by spiritual ones (1Cor.2:14,12-13,11; Luke 10:21; Matt.13:11-16) (Matt.24:3 LINK). Such is the spiritual fulfillment of prophecy...
    (Rev.1:1 Greek: "presented in signs"/parables) (Mark 4:34; Rev.11:3; Rev.5:7; John 15:15),
...according to the physical patterns recorded for us in the scriptures (Rev.10:7; Dan.12:4,8-10). Obviously, that includes your cited reference to the ancient flood (Luke 17:26).

"Are we therefore to believe that ‘God’s people’ were ‘compactly standing out of 
water’ in Noah’s day, and ‘suffered destruction when they were deluged with water’ 
in the global flood?"
No. Not literally in Noah's day.
But within the prophetic significance of that pattern for the "new" creation; the fulfillment about the spiritual "EARTH", is as absolute as the Word of God, as it's meaning is relayed to us, by Christ (Luke 17:26).

PART TWO

COMMENT IN RESPONSE TO MY REPLY:
So according to your interpretation of ‘all the inhabited earth’ [Gr. oikoumene] in
Matthew 24:14, Jesus meant to say that, ‘This good news of the kingdom will be
preached among ‘all of God’s people,’ and then the end will come.’ - REALLY???
Since you think that ‘all the inhabited earth’ refers to the anointed, who, then, is doing
the preaching of the good news to them, the pagans of this godless world, or what?

IN RESPONSE
Scriptures provided by another anointed teacher:
(Ezek.3:4,18; Jer.1:18; 25:29-34; Micah 4:11,13; 3:8; Matt.10:23; Matt.22:14; Isa.48:20,21; 49:5; Jer.31:7; Rev.5:9,10; Matt.10:40,41,42;  1Cor.6:2; John 20:23)

MY RESPONSE:
All the "earth" may be God's people at present, but that does not mean that all God's present people, are of "earth".
Who preaches to the "earth"? (Matt.10:23; Rev.1:11)
The armies of heaven, are not the unsealed of the "earth"
(who "swallowed" Satan's river of lies -Rev.12:16).

The "two witnesses" who declare Christ's message to the as yet, unsealed (Rev.7:3)
(Rev.11:3,4,5; Jer.5:14; Matt.10:20; Zech.4:11-12,13-14,10,9;  1Cor.3:16; Rev.3:12; Prov.9:1; Rev.8:6),
are no longer of the "earth", but are of heaven (1Cor.15:48; Rom.8:9;  1Cor.15:50; Phil.3:20; Eph.2:6; Heb.12:22,23; Rev.19:11,14; 17:14).
Please read the scriptures.
I have been commanded to always reply, by means of them (John 16:13; 7:16-18; Rom.3:4; John 5:30).
The marriage feast consists of "the true words of God" (Rev.19:9; Isa.55:8-9), not of men (John 5:43-44; 1:14; 12:49).

(the-good-news-for-who?)
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PART THREE:
My response continues...

If general mankind has not yet been judged, why then, are they already paying God's sentence for sin?
 (Rom.5:12; John 3:18; Heb.3:19; John 12:31)

Do you have a scripture to indicate that "all the nations" [(literally, "from all nations") -Rev.5:9,10; 7:9,15;  2Chron.23:6]...
    the "sheep and goats"...(Matt.25:32,34; Gal.3:29; Luke 22:29; 12:43,44; Rev.3:21),
...are "the 7+ billion inhabitants of the earth into those "who will enter everlasting life"?
NOTE: The scripture does not read "enter everlasting life". It reads, "inherit the kingdom" [Matt.25:34; 7:21; Luke 12:47,46 (Hosea 6:5; Jer.23:29)].

Addressing your second comment;
Your assertion that anointed themselves are not the ones doing wrong to their own brothers, that is quite a restricting notion
(1John 3:16,17; Matt.25:42,43;  1John 3:16; Col.1:2; James 2:1) (Luke 12:45; Matt.10:21; Rev.18:5; Hosea 9:7; Rev.17:6; 18:24; Matt.23:35,37).

Matt.25:45 speaks of "the least" of Christ's brothers"... not of those who have made themselves "the greatest" (Mark 10:42-44;  1Pet.5:3),
such as the GB "steward" of today (Luke 12:45), who beat their fellows... casting them out to be despised, and their needs, ...utterly ignored! (Matt.25:42-43)
Your premature presumption, limits your capacity to expand your understanding of prophecy.
  If searching for the divine intent of scriptural meaning, it is best to study scripture with an open mind, allowing the Bible to define itself;
rather than starting out with a premise, and filtering scripture through it.

Are you capable yourself, of "reconsidering your take on the meaning of terms like ‘all the earth’ and the ‘world.’ "?
   If the "sea" are the wicked (Isa.57:20; Rev.21:1; 13:1), then who do you say, are the "earth"/"land"?
(2Pet.3:13,10,7; Jude 1:15,12)
[I am assuming that you deduce and agree, that the sea/waters/"deep", is not the "inhabited/settled/occupied, land"
(John 14:23; Isa.26:15; 48:19; 49:19; 62:4) (Luke 8:15; Heb.6:7-9;  2Pet.3:7]

I don't recall seeing your answer yet, to what the "earth" is, that swallows Satan's river;
   (Rev.12:12,15,16; Isa.9:16; Jer.23:15; 9:15; Rev.8:10-11; 13:7,8; Hosea 4:6)
---------------(earth-swallows-satan's-river)
presuming that the "earth"
   over which, God is Lord (Acts 17:24),
is not the "sea" (Isa.57:20; Jer.5:22,23; James 1:6)
    over which, "Leviathan" is king (Isa.27:1)
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Friday, June 17, 2016

When do the anointed, become kings?

Here is a link to a more recent post about this topic: (https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2021/10/reigning-during-thousand-years.html)
and:
---- (https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2022/04/when-do-anointed-144000-reign-as-kings.html)
Below is my response to a post at the Forum., about Mark 13:9; Matt.10:18 and Luke  21:12.
I am posting it here so that readers can consider the cited scriptures with the advantage of the pop-up function.
(I will post my response to the previous comments of the Blog post, when I am able.)
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Good post JD. Thank you for putting it up.
I would like to respond to a few points you make, adding to them what spirit has shown.


"What stood out, was that there would be "governors" in the last days."

The "governers" among the anointed, are not unique to the last days only.
Some are chosen within the body of Christ, to "govern" those priests who are still immature (1Cor. 12:28NKJV ("administrations"); 1Cor.4:1-2,15; Gal.4:2; Eph.4:13; Prov.8:16). They are the "stewards"/governers, of Christ's contemporary household (Luke 12:42). The mature and experienced are set over the management and "guidance" of the household by God and Christ (1Cor. 12:28), to be a foundation of faith (1Cor. 3:8-10; Eph.2:19-20), according to the "provisions" they serve (Luke 12:42-43).

The problem arises, when such a governer/steward, abuses the authority he was given (Luke 12:45,47; Mark 10:42-43), by abusing his fellow slaves with beatings, and a lack of proper food at the proper time time. According to prophecy; during the Great Tribulation, an abusive steward would arise to join forces with Gentiles, and by means of that Gentile force, dominate all of God's Temple priesthood and household. That governing body would empower the Gentile force with an aura of divinity, even authorizing it to "kill" any who refuse to worship it. (Rev.13:14-15; John 16:2)
That steward... that governing body, would be the ones needing a witness from Christ, through his faithful ones. They are mentioned in the book of Revelation, where Christ sends them a message concerning their need for repentance. That message would be delivered by the faithful who in the time of the end, correctly interpret Christ's disclosure of what that revealed message, contains,
and to whom it is directed.
Yet as you stated, the "Governing Body" themselves have clarified their position, not only within God's anointed household, but within prophecy; by the adoption of that title.
Yet they are proving to be "wicked stewards". Not only are they failing to receive and serve God's household, truths from Christ...
they prevent any other slave or steward, from doing so...
and "kill" any who faithfully attempt to (by means of the Gentile Beast, whom they direct, and have empowered).
They have accepted a rulership based in Satan's world and power...
not based in the authority, truth, and power of Christ.

Of course, you rightly identify the "Gentiles" as being those not anointed, who now trample God's Temple stones (1Pet. 2:5,9-10; Matt.24:2; Rev.13:7; 11:2; 2:9).
They are also depicted as the collective "Wild Beast" from the sea (Rev.13:1; Isa.57:20)... and the "abomination of desolation" that "stands in the holy place" (Matt.24:15; Dan.11:31;  2Thess. 2:4).
These too, receive a witness (Matt.10:18; John 16:2; Rev.11:7). These too, can be viewed, as counterfeit "kings" (Rev.9:7,3; Isa.23:8; Rev.13:15;  2Thess. 2:4).

"The above verse also says that "kings" will receive a witness. When the GB are removed, it is by "kings" who are Anointed who back the organisation, thinking that it is "Gods organisation"... So before they are Kings, when they remove the Harlot...Jesus is saying, these will receive a witness. This can include 2 time frames within these Anointed. BEFORE they act and become "kings” for a short period...and after they act and remove the Harlot. This would definitely include when they have made themselves “kings” by removing the Harlot.
Are those who are "branded" (666) amongst Anointed receiving a witness...even before they become "kings"? Christ says it will happen. It IS happening. Would he want those of his bride to be warned before they become "kings" so they are not sealed outside Gods kingdom?
 
"

I hope to add to these thoughts, by clarifying when the anointed become kings....
what they can choose to do with that royal authority...
how they receive a kingdom,
and how they become sealed into their kingdom of choice.
Of course, understanding those things helps us to grasp more about who these "kings" are, who need a witness to be given them, for the sake of Christ.

We have wrongly been taught by the wicked steward, that the anointed do not become kings until they literally die, and are resurrected as spirits in heaven.
Regarding the anointed "kings" still captive inside the organization,
  we do well to clarify when they became kings, and receive the witness of Mark 13:9.

Are they given a witness as kingsbefore they reign as kings with the Beast?
Yes. They can receive a witness as kings, even before they are sealed as rulers within the kingdom of the Beast.
By examining the following scriptures, we can see when anointed begin ruling, and when the unfaithful receive their witness of revealed truths.

First, let us examne if an anointed one is a king, even before receiving a kingdom.

Rev.17:12 “The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. 13 They have one purpose and will give their (existing) power and authority to the beast."
Notice that receiving a kingdom with the Beast, is through a surrendering of their existing royal authority and power, to the Beast.
Their kingship, IS their authority and power. Do anointed have "authority and power", before they receive their kingdom of choice?

   "I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you. Nevertheless, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven." (Luke 10:19).
(Ps.91:13-15; Mark 16:17-18)
   Rev.1:5 "and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.
To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen."
   Rev.5:9 "And they sang a new song, saying:
“You are worthy to take the scroll
    and to open its seals,
because you were slain,
    and with your blood you purchased for God
    persons from every tribe and language and people and nation.
10 You have made them to be a kingdom and priests to serve our God,
    and they reign on the earth.”
(Rev.20:6 -- "Thousand Years --When?") ( 2 -- Thousand years - When?)

Like Christ while on earth, our present kingdom position is one of truth (John 18:37; Luke 21:15; Matt.10:20; Luke 10:16).
  Do these kings, already have a "crown"? Yes (James 1:12)... a crown they must guard, and not allow to be taken from them (Rev.3:11).

Jesus said that "more" kingship would be given to those, who already "had"... IF they kept and were proving faithful with, the "little" royal authority and power they were first given (Matt.13:12; Rev.3:8).
THIS IS WHERE THE FORK IN THE ROAD, IS.
There are those given royal authority and power who are faithful. Let us see what the faithful do, with their royal authority ("crowns").
   Rev.4:10-11 "the twenty-four elders fall down before the One seated on the throne, and they worship Him who lives forever and ever. They cast their crowns before the throne, saying: 11 “You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for You created all things; by Your will they exist, and came to be.”
Can you see that those who are faithful, use their "crown" (royal authority and power) in the service and worship of God?
While kings, they submit completely, to God and Christ. They credit Him with their receiving life, with salvation (Rev.7:10), and that God alone deserves their fear and praise (Rev.14:7; 15:4; 19:5).
   Rev.5:13-14 "And I heard every creature in heaven, and on earth, and under the earth, and in the sea, and all that is in them, saying: “To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be praise and honor and glory and power forever and ever.” 14 And the four living creatures said, “Amen,” and the elders fell down and worshiped."
Notice that the faithful... "fall down and worship" God and the Lamb. These use their royal authority and power, in the service of God and Christ... their over-Kings.


Notice that an anointed king, can do the same, toward Satan... “All these things will I give you, if you will fall down and worship me.” (Matt.4:9)
That is exactly what the unfaithful "kings", do....
   "People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority (crowns) to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?” (Rev.13:4) (Rev.13:1)


Rather than ascribe honor to God (Ps.113:5) ("Michael"), those who worship the Beast (Rev.13:7-8) credit IT with salvation and divinity, deserving of their fear, service, and praise.
These mislead and captive anointed (Rev.13:7,10) have surrendered their "crowns", to the Beast.
Please notice the contrast of the faithful anointed (Rev.4:10-11), to the unfaithful......
"The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but will receive one hour of authority as kings,(stewardship), along with the beast. 13 These kings have one purpose: to give their power and authority to the beast." (Rev.17:12-13)

Anointed kings can choose to reign with Christ (Rev.3:21) or with the Beast (Rev.17:12).
That choice is made, when they surrender and sacrifice their royal authority and power (crown/life) to their master of choice.
Once they exercise their royal authority and power...
 either serving in subjection to God and Christ,
 or in subjection to Satan and his organization...
they choose a kingdom.
   Once the Harlot is removed (and those who have given their royal authority to the Beast, begin to rule wth it)
all "kings" are sealed as royal servants/angelic messengers, of God,
  or of Satan (Rev.12:7; 17:12-14).
Whichever kingdom they choose (Christ's, or Satan's), they will receive full rulership/stewardship with it, as they serve it's "king of kings" (Rev.9:11; 19:16).

So to conclude,
the anointed "kings" who receive a testimony from Christ, through his seventh angel (Rev.22:6,16),
are kings "with a little power" (Matt.25:14; Mark 13:34; Rev.3:8; Luke 16:10; Matt.25:23) before they receive their kingdom.

They will take their "crown" (royal authority/stewardship) and either exercise it in the service of Christ, or in the service of Satan's Beast.
The Beast's kings will receive a witness, both before (as a warning to repent -- Rev.3:19; Mal.3:1-3)
and after they have chosen a master/recipient of their crown.
They are sealed as horns/kings of the Beast (Rev.17:12), or kings/horns of Christ (Rev.5:6; 1:20). After all are sealed,
the testimony of Truth will be one of condemnation.
  
Ps.110:2; Heb.2:8-10; 12:28; Rom.8:17; Ps.8:4-6; Dan.7:9-11,12-14,18-20,21-23,24-25,26-27; Rev.5:6-7,9-10,11-13; 11:2; 12:10; 13:2,5-7; 8:13; 9:12; 12:12; 20:10-13; John 14:21; 17:24; 14:3-4,5-6; 17:24;  1John 3:2; John 17:22; 1:14)

(Who are the "Kings of the Earth"?)

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Thursday, May 26, 2016

Satan's completed "fall"

Addition to: ("What is God waiting for?")
as follows...

"Once all the co-heirs prove faithful, Satan will then lose this long standing war against God's Will. How do they prove faithful?
By dying for truth, thereby, losing all their power in this world
(Dan.12:6-7; Rev.13:7; 2:10; 6:9-11; 11:7-9; Isa.34:3-4; Rev.6:11; Eze.14:22-23;  1Pet.5:6,10; James 4:10; Matt.23:12; Eze.17:24).

Ironically, it is after the power of all the faithful Holy Ones of the remnant has been "brought to nothing"... (first through captivity, and then through a death for faithfulness), 
...and the testimony that ensues, that Satan will finally lose all his authority and power (Rev.12:10-11).
Then all God's enemies are subdued (including the last one, "Death" - 1Cor.15:26; Rev.6:8-11; 11:7). 

Creation is taken from Satan and his seed and returned to God by means of Christ, working through "Zion" 
(Ps.110:1,2;  1Cor.15:24,25; Eph.1:10) (Rev.14:1; 2:26-27).
Once accomplished, God then gives the New Creation to the second Adam, Jesus Christ,
along with all those who have proven to be His bride and children 
(1Cor.15:45; Gal.3:29;  1Cor.3:23;  2Cor.5:17).

Wednesday, May 18, 2016

"He who seeks to save his life, will lose it."

A comment which was left after (who-really-can-be-saved)
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Dear Pearl and others,
I thought about the idea that ones in the Watchtower who do not allow themselves to be killed by it in disfellowshipping. Surely we can compare to 1st century and Christ said his followers would be persecuted and killed but not every Christian was put to death but generally speaking none escaped some form of persecution. So these ones may not be of the number who are killed does not mean they subject to the beast? 
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My Reply:

If they do not get killed, are they subject to Jesus Christ? 
(Mark 8:35; 13:13; Matt.25:5-6; Heb.13:13; John 16:2; Rev.12:11; 6:9-10,11; Rom.6:5;  2Cor.4:10)

In the first century... every "Christian" who did not obey Jesus and flee Jerusalem (Matt. 24:15,16), likely died under God's disfavor for their disobedience, when Jerusalem was destroyed.
The destruction of the Beast and false prophet, is also certain (Rev. 20:10) as is the destruction of all who remain under their influence (Rev. 13:8; 20:15; Eze. 14:10) or do not get out 
(Rev. 18:4; Luke 21:21,22; Isa. 52:11; 48:20; Jer. 51:6; Ps. 26:4;  1Cor. 10:21;  2Cor. 6:16,17).

For what reason, would any Christian remain in first century Jerusalem, despite Christ's warning?
Would it not be because his words at Matt. 23:38 and Matt. 21:43 were not taken to heart?
Jesus made plain, that the Jewish system was about to end (Matt. 24:2), and that God's favor and spirit was no longer with it.
That is the stark reality today, regarding the "Watchtower" (WT-crumble). 

So,
for what reason would someone stay inside?
Those "not perceiving" the "Watchtower's" standing with God, are still in darkness (What-is-Hades?).
Why would anyone have a reason to remain inside an organization condemned by God, and about to be destroyed,
unless they were still under it's deluding influence?...not taking seriously the warnings of Christ? (John 14:15)
(Rev. 13:8,14,15; Matt. 24:4,5,24,25; Rev. 14:9,10,11; 18:4; Luke 21:21,22)

The influence of the Beast upon one's heart, is made evident and manifest, by the symbolic mark of "666", on your forehead and hand.
Those who were still swayed by the physical appearance of Jerusalem in the first century (previous to it's destruction), could also have that influence made evident, by their reluctance to leave (Luke 21:5,6,12,13,15,16,17,19).

Jesus warned his disciples, to "Flee"... comparing that exodus to Lot fleeing "Sodom" (Luke 17:26,27,28,29,30,31,32; Rev. 11:8).
Was it enough that Lot did not agree with the corruption he saw around him? (2Pet. 2:7,8)
Would that have saved his life from God's fire and sulfur that turned Sodom to ashes?
Or, did Lot need to "get out"? 
(Gen. 19:12-13,15,17,24,25,26,27,28,29; Jer. 51:6; Rev. 18:4)

Jesus also made clear, when to flee, at Matt. 24:15,16 and Mark 13:14.
If we are capable of perceiving that the abomination (man of lawlessness 2Thess. 2:4) is now over the Holy Place (God's Temple 1Cor. 3:16) (Disgstg-thing);
then what are we waiting for ?... 
...if not under the spell of a deceptive aura, 
      a veneer of divinity leading the unwary to destruction (Luke 21:36), 
      a lethal facade, 
      a demonic guise and hoax, 
      inebriation by the harlot's sorcery
...convincing it's victims that they should remain inside the abomination for some reason?
  Would you justify remaining inside a Catholic Church, a mosque, or some other temple, if you knew God commanded you to get out? 
Do you view the "Watchtower" as  somehow different from those? If so, why?
Of all places, it is most deserving of God's wrath (WTs-end) (winepress) because it is lead by those who were in, but broke, a covenant with God (Rev. 21:9,10; Isa. 1:21; Rev. 17:6; Matt. 23:37,35; Rev. 18:24; 13:15; 11:7; 6:9,10,11; 19:2). 
Please examine your heart carefully, as to why, like Lot's wife, one should look back to Sodom (Rev. 11:8).

Lot's wife's heart, was somehow attached to that abhorrent city. She was not wholehearted in her willingness to leave it all behind.
Was she attached to something good?

We cannot serve two masters (1King 18:21). 
We either cherish the lifesaving truth of Christ, who mercifully extends his saving guidance;
or we diminish that truth, as secondary to false reasoning 
(Jer. 51:7; Col. 2:8; Rev. 13:10,7; Luke 21:24).

Though you say that not all Christians lost their lives in the first century...
every single one of the faithful did lose their lives (symbolically) within the corrupt Jewish system. They were condemned by the religious leaders as heretics, apostates, and blasphemers who were deserving of death. Those condemned and cast off, were then treated as dead, by all followers. Their previous life was over.
(John 9:22; 12:42; 16:2; Luke 12:8,9; Mark 8:35; 13:13; Heb. 13:13).
(symbolic+death+for+truth)
The requirement for faithfulness before Christ, is the same today 
(2Cor. 11:2,3,4; Rev. 2:20; 6:9,10,11; 12:10,11;  1John 2:14; Rev. 2:7; 3:12,21) (1Pet. 4:12,13,14;  2Cor. 1:5; Phil. 3:10,11).

Please meditate on Christ and God's words, about the reality and necessity of our sacrifice:
[John 12:24,25; Rev. 6:9,11; (Eze. 33:6; Rev. 19:15); Phil. 3:10; Rom. 6:5; 8:17; (Matt. 16:24; Gal. 3:13; Heb. 13:13); Mark 8:35].
Of course we know that thus far, this death today, is not literal.
If we shrink back 
       (Heb. 10:38) from declaring truth and the 
       "death" which naturally must follow (Rev. 13:15); 
what are we gaining? (Matt. 16:25,26,27; Mark 8:36,37,38).
If we belong to Christ, we will confess his saving truths before men, and die for it 
(Eph.4:25; Luke 9:26; 22:28; Rev. 14:4,5;  1Pet. 2:21). 
If we remain silent, then we are still in subjection to the law of the Beast... which decrees and enforces, that no doctrine but the Beast's, may be exchanged (Rev. 13:16,17)(buying-and-selling). 
If we cower before that law, we disobey Christ's counsel (Rev. 3:18; Matt. 25:14; 13:52; 25:25,28,30;  2Tim. 1:7,8;  2Cor. 4:1,2; 10:5; Eph. 4:25; Matt. 5:14) ("Lukewarm"), and are still marked by the laws of the Beast.

So when you ask;
"These ones may not be of the number who are killed does not mean they subject to the beast?"...
How can anyone obey Christ by sharing the truth, and not be condemned to spiritual death within the organization?
How can anyone avoid organizational death, unless they are, "subject to the Beast"? 
(John 9:22; 12:42; 16:2; Luke 12:8,9; Mark 8:35).
(symbolic+death+for+truth)
I hope you can perceive that in our time, escaping death for truth is not possible for those faithful, 
just as Jesus foretold (Mark 8:35).
(keep-awake) (hide-or-herald/stay-or-flee) (fear-of-men-lays-snare)


What was Lot's wife willing to give up, "in exchange for her soul"?
(Mark 8:36-37,38)
Not enough, and so, she lost it.
Are we willing to give up an abomination causing desolation to God's children,
   and fully obey Christ's warning to flee,
or not?
As far as where we need to flee to, Jesus gave us that information. 
Please see this link: "Flee! - Where?"

Regardless of our own reasoning (Prov. 3:5,6;  1Tim. 6:20;  1Cor. 3:18; James 1:22,23,24,25; Prov. 28:26; Matt. 4:4);
...If we remain inside the "city" (Rev. 17:18; 11:8) (kings-of-earth); 
our mark of citizenship to it, is made manifest before God and men (Mal. 3:18; Joel 3:14; James 1:12; Rev. 3:11). 
If you have been chosen as a priest, to serve in God's Holy place, you have an obligation...
(TEACH THE DISTINCTION)
(you-will-indeed-drink-my-cup)

Saturday, April 30, 2016

"Who really can be saved?"

Questions I received:

Pearl,
 I have been in touch with a brother who told me about the demonstrations you and others did at the summer conventions and I am ready to do it as well, here in my home town.  There would be three of us.
I don't really know how to go about it so i would appreciate feedback from you about what needs to be done etc...  I will do anything to help people wake up and search out those who are the faithful anointed. 
 I also need to ask you some things. 
There are some on the net who have left the beast and claim to be anointed. Are those considered to have been killed, and are they the faithful anointed ones as well? 
 Will those who are truly anointed be directed to your blog? 
Those ex witnesses activists who have left the organization and speak against it -- they are not marked by the beast? -- or are they? 
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My Reply:

Hello again,
I am always happy to hear of those who are willing to demonstrate to those in captivity. We are warned that the great majority of God's people are in a blind and deaf condition (Isa.43:8; 42:19; Rev.3:17,18). But we still give the witness, not only for the few who might wake up, but for the sake of God's name, who always warns his prophets, so that He provides a warning to His people... being a God of Justice (Amos 3:7; Jer.26:5; 44:4).
For the full instructions you need, to share in that witness (Heb.6:10; Eph.4:25; Eze.33:7), here are two helpful links:
(the-final-witness)
(the-sound-of-trumpet). 
Here are two forum posts that may help:
(The-Final-Witness-forum)
(Kindle-the-message)
I will also send you a link to another anointed one... a "teacher" in the Body of Christ (1Cor.12:28) (LINK
For now, I want to get to your other questions. 
I will post them below, just to be sure I don't forget anything...

1. There are some on the net who have left the beast and claim to be anointed. Are those considered to have been killed, and are they the faithful anointed ones as well? 

First I will say, that on the internet, we really don't know if all a person says, is true. They may say that they are out of the WT and that they are also anointed, but we really don't know at first. Dan.11:34 reads;
"When they fall, they will receive a little help, and many who are not sincere will join them."
Of that situation, we are given warning not to misplace our trust in impostors (Jer.9:4; Micah 7:5,6; Luke 12:51,52,53;  2Tim.3:13). Although those scriptures speak primarily of those inside the Beast as being treacherous; those verses include those we may meet outside in the "wilderness" of continued testing, because of what Daniel says at Dan.11:34 (quoted above)... which occurs after leaving. 
While we are in that wilderness (Matt.4:1; Rev.12:14; Deut.8:16; Heb.3:8), Satan is still testing us, trying to get some who have left the one WT snare, to be caught in another snare, afterward (Amos 5:19; Eze.14:21; Rev.6:8).

Secondly, many have left the WT, only mentally, without being "killed" (Mark 8:35; John 16:2). There are anointed who are still attending meetings (Ps.26:4), or those who "faded" in order to avoid being shunned by family (Matt.10:37,32,33). Although such ones may truly be anointed... they are not faithful, nor will they be given the opening of the scroll...
       (the end-time revelations of God's truths) 
       (Rev.5:5,7; John 15:15; 8:31), 
...because they have not been "killed" for their testimony, by the WT Beast (Rev.11:7; 6:9,10,11). That "death" is a requirement to receive our inheritance, just as it was a requirement for Christ (Rev.5:9; 2:7, 17; Rom.6:5; John 12:24; Mark 8:35; Rev.6:11).

Third. Now here is where the most difficult challenge arises, for those who have taken the first step toward salvation (being killed - Rom.6:5; John 12:24; Rev.6:9,11) and are now outside the unfaithful City 
(Rev.18:4; Luke 17:28,29,30,31,32,33; Rev.11:8; Mark 8:35;  2Cor.6:17; Isa.52:11). 
As preparation for understanding that challenge, if you have not already done so, please read: ("Is leaving the City, enough?") << As that post reveals, those leaving must also turn to their spiritual fathers, for guidance ("Elijah turns hearts"). 
But what about anointed? 
Do they have all they need to be faithful, within their own personal anointing? 
       (See 1Cor.12:21,28,29; Eph.4:11,12; 2:20,21,22) (1Cor.3:10)
No. 
Those who still hold on to WT ignorance concerning how the Body of Christ functions; misunderstand the meaning of 1John 2:20,27.  The spirit teaches everything every member of the Body needs, to know the truth, through all the Body membersand all their anointed assignments by God (1Cor.12:18; 10:17; Eph.4:11,12,7,16; Rom.12:5). (discerning-body-God-of-order)
What a contrast this arrangement of God is, to the design of the "Watchtower", while it touts the "governing body" as the only "faithful slaves" (Isa.47:8,9,10; Rev.18:7), and those Gentiles whom it "crowns" (Isa.23:8; Rev.18:23; 9:7; 13:15; 19:20; Isa.47:6,7), to dominate the bride members of the Body of Christ! (2Thess.2:4; Rev.13:7,14,15,8) (Eph.5:23)
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/09/trample-how-does-it-happen.html

The proud do not accept the interdependence among the members of Christ (Eph.4:16;  1Cor.12:27,4,7,11), nor do they successfully pass that next test of their humility, by Satan (1John 2:15). They do not strive to learn from Christ what their place is under his headship, but rather, essentially assume by their actions, that they should be seated as an apostle, prophet, or teacher (Luke 14:8,9,10; Matt.23:12).
As Paul said, "not all are apostles, are they? Not all are prophets, are they? Not all are teachers, are they?" (1Cor.12:29)
Perhaps all would like to be. But if they have not been chosen to bear a heavier load, that is because God knows what place is best for each one (Mark 10:37,38; Luke 12:48; James 3:1) (Rom.9:16). They do not understand that a heavier load is not a prestige, but rather, a responsibility of service 
(John 7:18; 13:14,15; Luke 22:26,27; Matt.20:27,28). Perhaps it is that very lack of understanding, which influenced God's choice 
(James 4:6,10; Prov.29:23; Matt.23:12).

Can a household steward care for a household, by himself?
(1Cor.12:21,25). He depends upon all the household servants to work along with him (Rev.1:20; Matt.5:15), as all servants do (including the steward), as all obey, cooperate with, and serve their common master, Christ (Eph.4:16). All slaves are striving for his approval, as they keep their eye on their own work (Gal.6:4; Rom.14:12). As we know from Luke 12:45,46; stewards can also prove wicked.

Yet those who serve as a faithful foundation/steward for the others (Luke 12:42) (apostles and prophets Eph.2:20;  1Cor.3:10), 
must be heeded (Heb.13:17;  2Tim.3:14; 1:13), and not hindered or challenged in an attempt to control their assignment as the Temple's foundation (1Cor.14:32,33) (Amos 3:7; Jer.26:5,6; Rev.22:6) ("Prophets"). 
That is what happens, when all those coming out, wrongly assume that they are also prophets (Num.12:6;  2Pet.1:20,21). 
They do not comprehend nor understand God's own right to interpret His own prophecies (Gen.40:8; Rev.10:7), 
but rely instead on their own capabilities ("self- assuming / proud"  2Tim.3:2 and  1Cor.11:29), 
As a result, they become contentious with the genuine prophets and publicly oppose the faithful, bringing judgment upon themselves (Matt.10:14,15). 

Each of us Chosen ones must "examine ourselves" to determine our own place in the Body (1Cor.11:28,29,30,31; Eph.4:7), 
as assigned by God (1Cor.12:18,28), 
and then respect that peculiar assignment, working diligently from that place. All places are needed, by all. ("Discerning the 'Body' ")
So to answer your first question by means of the foregoing scriptures;
Those who usurp God's arrangement of His Temple (the Body of Christ), rebel against God's spirit, and fail what you ask... 
"are they the faithful anointed ones as well? " 
No. 
Even though they may have been "killed" / disfellowshipped, for being unsubmissive to the Beast and Harlot; they fail the next step of testing after leaving the "City". They fail to discern the Body of Christ and their place in it. Being proud, they rebel against God's arrangement, and sin against the Body of Christ. 
You see, there is a difference between resisting the Harlot because one is submissive to Christ's headship (which will carry forward into the Body), 
or, 
resisting the Harlot and her "elder" representatives of the Beast, because you are proud and feel superior to all. 

The test of unity with the Body, (which comes after disfellowshipping, outside the Beast), separates into two groups according to the motive which caused their expulsion from the Beast.
Dan.11:35 speaks of this, when it tells us that those who prove to be wise (those who wake up, begin their refinement, and get disfellowshipped), can yet stumble, because the refinement of the Holy Ones as a group, is not yet finished...
"Some of the wise will stumble, so that they (as a Bride Group) may be refined, purified and made spotless until the time of the end, for it will still come at the appointed time." (Dan.11:35)

Those who are stumbled after proving wise (Dan.12:3,10; 11:35), will be cut off from the vine of Christ and from under his headship (Col.2:19; John 15:5). They will be outside the anointed household of the Master and the care of his appointed steward whom they have rejected. Yet they will not realize that they are outside the Body of Christ, until that condition is later made manifest (Matt.25:30; Luke 8:18).
If they are proving to be genuine and faithful slaves of Christ, they will speak from the Word of God (John 8:47a; John 16:13; Rev.19:9), and from within and in harmony with, the other faithful members of the Body of Christ.

2. Will those who are truly anointed be directed to your blog? 

Through parable, Christ has disclosed that most of those God has chosen as his priests, will not attend the marriage feast, nor receive the revealing of "the true words of God" (Rev.19:9; 10:7). 
Why? 
Because they are preoccupied with the spiritual commerce of the Beast (Matt.22:3,5,8; 25:10; Rev.13:17; Isa.56:11,12; Luke 12:19,20; Rev.18:3; Jer.51:7; Isa.19:14; 28:7,8; Micah 2:11; Matt.24:49;  2Pet.2:1;  1Thess.5:7,6) (Rev.1:11; Matt.10:23).
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2012/12/some-have-told-me-that-buying-and.html
(Eze.14:13,21; Rev.6:8; Isa.5:5; Luke 21:24,22)
But "those whom God calls" will be awoken 
(Joel 2:32; Jer.3:14; Luke 17:34,35,37; Rom.11:26; John 15:26; Isa.60:1,2,3; Dan.12:2). 
It is then up to their own heart, if they continually turn to God in prayer, and humbly ask for His truth, in whatever way He has chosen to offer it 
(2Chron.16:9; Jer.29:12,13,14; Matt.7:7,8) (1Cor.4:9,10,11,12,13; Eph.2:20,21,22). 
Truthful interpretation of scripture and prophecy, will always be offered through and by means of, God's own words found in scripture (Rom.3:4; John 17:17). We all must "keep testing" every teaching, to be sure it meets that standard (1John 4:1; Matt.7:20; John 16:13; Matt.10:27; John 7:16,17,18) ("Fine Trees"). We each must discern and decide which prophet we accept (John 13:20) or reject (2Thess.2:2;  2Cor.11:12,13;  1Tim.6:20; Eph.5:10,11; Rev.2:2; Matt.24:4,5,24,25).

We may ask for and consider an opinion we respect for direction and advice, but no one else is solely responsible for your life or death choice 
(Prov.10:17; 15:31; Deut.30:15,16,17,18,19,20; Matt.7:24,25,26,27).
Yet, God has promised within prophecy; "There will be deliverance in Mount Zion", due to God providing it 
(Matt.19:25,26; 24:22; Joel 2:32; Isa.43:11,12; Rev.7:10). 
Christ's faithful slaves will exist (Rev.11:3; 8:2; 1:20; 10:7), but like Christ, they will largely be rejected, slandered, and killed 
(Rev.11:7,8,9; 6:9; 12:11; Mark 8:35)("Symbolic Death").

Those who have been sealed into the heavens (Joel 2:32; Rev.14:1; Heb.12:22,23) will be producing "fruit" faithfully (John 15:16), for food (Eze.17:23; 36:8; Matt.24:15,16; John 15:8) 
Christ stands at the door and knocks, but if he is to come in and serve food to them (Rev.3:20; Luke 12:37), they must receive it the way he, as head, is providing it... from within, Zion (Ps.110:2; Heb.1:7,14; 2:16) (Yhwh's genuine Mountain).

I have been told many times, that the anointed who recognize the voice of Christ in what I offer, acted in harmony with the above verses.
Like I did, they turned to God for guidance, and for help to find other anointed who are striving to stand as faithful before Christ's inspection.
They speak of finding my blog (in various ways), and express that they believe God's spirit directed them as a reply to their humble prayer.
  Yet there are other anointed (and not anointed), who it seems, do not recognize truth in what I am teaching. They criticize my person, my motives, and my words, but never do so by means of the scriptures. 
They do not come seeking to cling to, and cooperate with, the rest of the Body members, nor what Christ is revealing at this time. They go off, often joining up with others who feed on flattery (Prov.29:5;  2Tim.4:3,4). They gather to the same house / forum, to keep expressing their own proud opinions (Prov.18:2), though never seem able to make progress in wisdom, nor harmonious agreement with their associates (2Tim.3:7) (Dan.12:4; Amos 8:12). They may have been truly anointed, but have failed their next test. 
Yes, this is the gauntlet of the Great Tribulation. It will continue testing the Called ones, until the harvest is finished (Luke 13:24; 21:36). We will know it is done, when the Harlot, falls (Rev.6:10,11; 19:2) 

3. Those ex witness activists who have left the organization and speak against it -- They are not marked by the beast? -- or are they? 

It seems your next question is asking if and how those who criticize the organization might still be marked by the Beast.
I see three spiritual groups who have left the organization. I will try to explain.
Those who criticize can be faithfully declaring God's message of condemnation, OR
they can be like predatory birds and dogs, who crave to feed upon the flesh/sins of others. They do not grieve for unfaithful sinners within the corrupt organization... seeking to do all they can to snatch them out of the fire by giving an open testimony (John 18:20). No, they relish tearing others apart. It makes them feel righteous and superior. ("Hated Birds"
Such ones may not be marked as slaves to the Beast's deceptions; but they have not been rescued from the mother covenant of death, under whose "confusion", they still are. Their confidence in themselves, is unfounded. Only those who come under the mother covenant of life, are saved for eternal life (Gal.4:26,24; Mal.2:5).

Now there is another group who criticize the organization for it's faults. They target the leadership as responsible for all it's corruption. But that group of reformists believe that if the leaders are willing to change, or if they are removed, that this will solve the problem. Such anointed and others believe, that the organization is still "God's spirit-directed earthly organization" (2Thess.2:11,9,10,11,12; Rev.13:8), 
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2018/02/who-is-false-prophet-who-gives-breath.html
----https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2014/06/operation-of-error.html
and that if the corruption is removed, all will be set right again.
They fail to recognize the true interpretation of Revelation's symbolic identities.
Yes... these ones ARE still marked by the Beast, despite their criticism of it, and despite the fact that many of them are outside the "City".
Among these, are anointed who have been disfellowshipped for standing up to what they viewed as corruption or false doctrine. 
But if they still revere the "disgusting thing"/"abomination"/blasphemous Beast/"man of lawlessness", as belonging over God's "holy place"/Temple/priesthood;
then they are still marked by the false teachings of the organization, and still follow demon-inspired sayings 
(1Tim.4:1; Rev.16:13,14,15,16; 13:14,15,8; 19:20) ("666"). 

Such anointed are poised to become those who fulfill the identity of the ten kings, who "rule one hour with the Beast" (Who are "kings of earth"?) (Rev.17:12), if they return to "rule" after the Harlot/governing body, is removed.
Anyone who still reveres the organization as belonging to God/divine, are still idolaters, and are still marked by the Beast's "number" (Rev.13:17,18) ("666")

So you see, there can be a few reasons to criticize the organization. Those reasons can be good or bad.
We can be criticizing the organization, but can have differing beliefs about it. We can believe that all it stands for is fake, or we can believe it contains God's spirit and kingdom. 
Those who accept any of the lying doctrines of the organization, are still symbolically marked by that deception. It's lies are in their heart... that is the meaning of the mark (Deut.11:18) (Rev.13:16). (Mark of Beast)
The result is that they will be moved by deception, to speak and to act, or to be silent and paralyzed. 


I hope I have offered all you needed.
If there is anything further you need, please ask.
I hope you know how precious you are to me, as are all the genuine faithful. 
How I rejoice to see another one of Christ's sheep, found!
(Matt.18:12,13,14) (Eze.14:22)

Love in Christ,

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