[I suggest first reading about the basic cause, and agents, of the Great Tribulation, at this link:
(https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-greatest-tribulation-why.html)]
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A COMMENT WHICH WAS LEFT AT
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A COMMENT WHICH WAS LEFT AT
https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-sign-of-son-of-man.html:
“This may be a possibility. A great tribulation will come upon the
people of the earth, a great tribulation, such as has never been. Then the sign
of the Son of man in heaven: all people on earth will see this sign. The last
trumpet will blow, and all that is anointed in the tombs will stand up, and all
anointed living will soon afterwards be transformed along with them, turned
into spirits. The angels will take them and bring them to Jesus, they will meet
Jesus in the air. Afterwards they will with Jesus shatter this world.”
MY REPLY:
I get the impression that you believe that the great tribulation is
something the entire world will go through. You make many assumptions without
scriptural backing. You may have taken with you, an old wine skin (Luke 5:37,38,39) and your outer garment
(Matt.24:17,18). That is a former identity, while marked by the lies of the
“Beast”
(LINK)
(Rev.13:16,17,18 --- pearl-666.blogspot.com).
(LINK)
(Rev.13:16,17,18 --- pearl-666.blogspot.com).
When the Bible tells us that this great tribulation is to come upon the
entire inhabited “earth” (God's "footstool"/"dwelling place"/"Temple")
(Luke 21:35; Matt.5:34,35; Ps.132:7-9; Eph.2:22,19; 1Cor. 3:16; John 18:36; Jer.25:29; 1Chron. 21:16), this is not speaking of Satan’s world.
That world and it’s prince have already been judged (John 12:31).
Luke 21:36 and
Matt.24:42 address this tribulation to Christ’s slaves. If you accept the
context there; this tribulation decides who is “taken” to Christ, and who is “abandoned”.
Jesus does not say that they are “taken” to a literal location of heaven, while those abandoned are
destroyed. At Luke 17:37 (Rev.12:14; Job 39:27,28,29,30; Luke 17:37) it is clearly conveyed that those
taken, search for and receive spiritual food.
("Eagles or Vultures"?)
Those abandoned are left behind and shut out. This is also illustrated in the 10 virgin parable (Matt.25:10-12)
("Eagles or Vultures"?)
Those abandoned are left behind and shut out. This is also illustrated in the 10 virgin parable (Matt.25:10-12)
You forget
that those under Satan’s power are
already dead (John 3:18; Rom.5:12). Spiritually speaking, they have never even received “life”
(1John 2:17; John 3:6). Even the anointed are straining
and hoping to gain life (Rev.3:11;
James 1:12; 1Pet. 4:18). These are the ones being tested by this great
tribulation (Luke 21:36; Rev.2:10; 3:1; 7:14). There is no testing for those already
dead (Eph.2:1,2; Col.2:13; 1Pet. 4:3; 1Tim. 5:6). Those whom Satan demands to
test, are the heirs (Luke 22:31; Rev.12:17; 1Pet. 5:8; Eph.6:12). These are the
only ones who pose a threat to Satan’s continuing reign (Rom.16:20; Rev.12:10,11).
The “sign of
the son of man” appears in “heaven” (Matt.24:30). This “heaven” is compared to “clouds”
(Luke 21:27; Mark 13:26; Heb.12:1; Jude 1:14; 2Thess. 1:7,10). How will this "cloud" emit "power and great glory"? That glory is defined at John 1:14, as "grace" and "truth". That same truth is what empowers that cloud of witnesses to conquer Satan (Luke 10:19).
Who sees
this sign of the Son of Man?
When this
sign was projected for all God’s people to see in the first
Century (Matt.16:4; 12:40; 26:64; Mark 16:19; Luke 22:69); did they all recognize its meaning? (see
Matt.16:1,2,3)
Physically
seeing and spiritually perceiving are two different things (Mark 4:12;
Matt.13:13). Even in the first Century when Christ fulfilled this very same sign,
few were capable of perceiving it’s meaning, though all of God’s people “saw”
it (Zech.12:10; Luke 16:31). Jesus said that "at an hour that you do not think it to be", the son of man is coming (to inspect his household). If the anointed slaves must stay awake, and will have difficulty identifying this period; how will the "blind" lacking faith discern the hour?
(Isa.42:18,19; 43:8; Luke 12:40; Rom.11:20; 1Cor. 10:12; 2Pet. 3:17; Col.2:8) --Much less those of Satan's world (1Pet. 4:18).
Remember, that this is a "sign"... not an obvious world-wide event (Luke 17:20,21; 2Cor. 5:20). When the "two witnesses" fulfill this sign in the time of the end, it does not say that the whole world will know it. It says that fear gripped "those who saw them" (Rev.11:11). This is just the same as how it happened with Christ. *(see scriptures below) When we are told that "all the tribes will beat themselves in lamentation" (Matt.24:30); who are these? (see Rev.5:9; 7:9). The final two prophets don sackcloth in mourning and repentance (Rev.11:3). They are faint out of fear over what is to come upon God's wayward people (Luke 21:26; Isa.28:14,22,19; Luke 19:41,42,43,44; Lam.2:15).
Remember, that this is a "sign"... not an obvious world-wide event (Luke 17:20,21; 2Cor. 5:20). When the "two witnesses" fulfill this sign in the time of the end, it does not say that the whole world will know it. It says that fear gripped "those who saw them" (Rev.11:11). This is just the same as how it happened with Christ. *(see scriptures below) When we are told that "all the tribes will beat themselves in lamentation" (Matt.24:30); who are these? (see Rev.5:9; 7:9). The final two prophets don sackcloth in mourning and repentance (Rev.11:3). They are faint out of fear over what is to come upon God's wayward people (Luke 21:26; Isa.28:14,22,19; Luke 19:41,42,43,44; Lam.2:15).
When this sign of the son of man comes upon the “earth” (LINK) in the time of
the end….not all in the world will perceive it (John 14:22; Acts 10:40,41). As
was the case in the first century, the Christ’s actual death was in view of God’s
Nation alone (Not all over the globe). Only those who witnessed Christ’s death and realized what it meant, beat
themselves in lamentation *(John 16:20; 19:25,26; Luke 23:27,46,47,48,49; Mark 16:10).
All the world does not take note when one of Christ’s brothers is “killed”
and thrown out of the Congregation (Isa.66:5; John 16:2; Rev.11:2; Dan.7:25;
12:7; Matt.24:15; Isa.52:1). But all those around them, do see it. In fact, it
is announced publicly (Rev.11:7,8,9,10). Do they realize what this means? They
don’t have a clue that following this course of Christ is a requirement for
being sealed (Rev.6:9,10,11; Heb.13:13), nor that these who are persecuted for
righteousness sake, are “the least” of Christ’s brothers.
You say that the angels will take the anointed to Jesus. This is not
what the Bible says. The anointed who have received life, are the angels. Jesus
himself collects them to himself, through the angelic reaper prophets
(Matt.13:39; John 4:36; 2Cor. 9:6; Matt.9:37,38; Rev.14:15,16,17,18,19; 14:6).
Can you see that these “angels” (Greek for “messenger”), are human anointed slaves
of Christ?
This gathering (reaping) to Christ, is spiritual, not physical. That
gathering place has been prepared for them by Christ (Matt.11:28; John 7:37;
14:2,3; 12:26; 14:4,18,28; Rev.12:6; John 14:23; Rev.3:20; Matt.24:28; Heb.13:13).
You conclude by saying that “Afterwards they will with Jesus shatter
this world.”
Are you saying that Jesus and his Bride are destroyers? You are
mistaken (John 10:10; Rev.9:11; Isa.33:1; Heb.2:14). Satan is the manslayer and destroyer
(John 8:44). He is the only one to do such things.
Judgment is passed
through how one responds to Christ through his ambassadors (John 13:20;
Matt.10:40,41; 25:45,46; John 12:48). But this says nothing about the actual
execution. “Fire” is not physical and literal, previous to actual death. (LINK)
What matters is whether or not we have divine protection from that one
(Matt.6:13; 1Pet. 1:5; 1Sam. 2:9; John 10:28; Eph.2:8; Prov.30:5).
God abandons us
to be destroyed by Satan; And rightly so if Satan is the god we have chosen
(Gen.3:13,19; 2Thess. 2:9,10) (LINK).
The war Jesus and his anointed messengers (angels) wage, is not
physical (2Cor. 10:3,4). Jesus wars with the long sword “from his mouth”
(Rev.2:16; Matt.10:34; Luke 12:51; Eph.6:17; Heb.4:12). The anointed conquer Satan and his world by the
same means (Rev.12:10,11).
The harvest is gathering those who will survive Satan’s murderous
destruction of God’s Creation. When this harvest is completed, Satan will
be free to destroy his own seed; because that is the sort of father he is.
Do you not know the spirit of our Father in heaven, who is love
(1John 4:8; John 3:16)? When the wicked die by God’s decree; it is because these
deserve to have God’s protection removed from them (Gen.3:24). But the manslayer, is
Satan. His heavens and earth are already stored up for judgment (2Pet. 3:7,9,10,11; 1Pet. 4:7). We await a new heavens and earth filled with righteousness…..the “New
Creation” (2Pet. 3:13; 2Cor. 5:17; Isa.43:19; Gal.6:15; Eph.4:24; Rev.21:4,5).
This will replace the old creation, which Satan corrupted, and which he himself
will destroy. Christ and his "Bride" bring healing (not destruction) to the Nations (Rev.22:2,17).
I hope you are not teaching others these demonic and God dishonoring errors.
For such works, there will be an accounting
(Matt.12:36; 2Cor. 5:10; Matt.16:27;
25:40; James 3:1).
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