Wednesday, May 16, 2018

Will Sodom and Gomorrah be resurrected? / What is resurrection?

A QUESTION:
  The WT has changed it's doctrine many times, as regards the resurrection of Sodom and Gomorrah. Can you tell us how they stand with God, regarding their resurrection? Can you also tell me why this matters to us?
MY REPLY:
When trying to get an answer to such questions, we find some surprising BIble based answers, IF, we are willing to start out fresh, without any preconceived notions (Matt.9:17).
The first thing to ask is; What did the Bible and Jesus himself, mean, by "resurrection"? 

Most people believe that resurrection means, to reverse literal, physical death. Is that an unfounded assumption?
IF we take the time to go back to the language God chose to express this, we find that the word "resurrection", simply means, "to stand up again", but not necessarily to be physically restored or re-animated. How so?
There is more than one way to "stand again"--- not only the way most people assume that one may stand again. This need not mean standing up physically, after our body has rotted away. In fact, the BIble speaks a lot, about "standing" before the throne of God, for judgment (2Cor.5:10; Luke21:36) as meaning to be evaluated by one's ability to endure while under test (Prov.27:4; Deut.9:2; Mal.3:2).
That "standing" is not a physical stance. It speaks of God's attention upon us and our record of deeds... performed by our free will during our lifetime. Can we withstand, such scrutiny?
In this way, All humanity stood before God in the past... through Adam and Eve. They stood before God for judgment, when they, and their children, were condemned to death.......
"Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned." (Rom.5:12)
----Yes, all mankind stood before God, as condemned.----
"21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive." (1Cor.15:21-22)

Being "made alive" in Christ, is not automatic, and it has its' requirements >>>>
"27 Jesus answered, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”28 “You have answered correctly,” Jesus replied. *“Do this and you will live.”* (Luke10:27-28)
"I am the living bread that came down from heaven. Whoever eats this bread will live forever... so the one who feeds on me will live because of me." (John6:51,57)
“25 I am the resurrection and the life. The one who believes in me will live 26 and whoever lives by believing in me will never die." (John11)
"“The righteous will live, by faith.” (Rom.1:17)
"For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live." (Rom.8:13)
"The world and its desires pass away, but whoever does the will of God lives forever." (1John2:17)

There is another opportunity to be re-judged by God, on the basis of Jesus Christ. 
*IF we obey and belong to Jesus, we can "stand again" favorably, before the judgment seat of God, on the basis of our obedience to the gospel of Christ (John8:31,51; 14:21,23). Those that throw away this opportunity of a re-trial, do not receive life. Those who obey the gospel of Jesus Christ, live....

Rom.8: "1 Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life has set you free from the law of sin and death."
Rom.6: "22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the fruit you reap leads to holiness, and the outcome is eternal life."

So once again, all humankind does "stand again", ever since Jesus Christ provided a way out of the condemnation, due Adam and Eve. He is the "tree of life". If we feed from him, we live (John6:57).
(https://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/08/two-trees.html)
Because of Jesus Christ, each of us "stands again" before the judgment seat of God... we are re-judged, or, "resurrected" on the basis of the pardon of the ransom.
Those who listened to and obeyed Jesus, are granted life. 
Those who disobeyed, are not given eternal life.
John3:36 reads;
"36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on them."

With these things in mind, we ask about Sodom and Gomorrah.
From what we know of them, and the fact that no one righteous lived there after Lot's family was removed... If they are judged on the basis of the teachings of Christ.... would they be able to withstand that scrutiny, and receive life according to that new provision and it's requirements? 
No.
However... Does this mean that they will not "stand again" on the basis of the ransom of Jesus? No again!

The whole problem with this vacillating doctrine of the WT, rests with their literal understanding of "resurrection". 

No one who is judged as wicked, is given life (John3:36).  "The wrath of God remains upon them". They are not freed from the original wrath of God, upon Adam and Eve's offspring. They do not come back from the dead, physically, just to be condemned again with the same original condemnation. 

What matters most, is our spiritual standing with God... not our physical condition (John6:63; Rom.8:13,6).
The RECORD of their lives (meaning of 
μνημεῖον -- G3419 Strongs), translated: "memorial tomb") (LINK) is re-tried according to the provision and standard of the ransom and it's requirements... to "stand again" before the judgment seat of God, on that basis. 

In the time of the end, divine knowledge will be made full 
(Dan.12:4,9-10; John16:12-15,8-11; Mal.3:1-3; Rev.22:6; 10:7-8; 1Cor.13:9-10)...
Then the standards of God and Christ will be fully uncovered and disclosed, as well as all the deeds that had been done in darkness (2Pet.3:10; Ec.12:14; John3:20; Eph.5:11; Num.25:4; 1John2:9; Luke12:45-46; Hosea 6:5; John16:8). Those re-evaluated by the opening of the scrolls (Rev.20:12-13) either receive the judgment of eternal life based upon their obedience... or not granted life, based upon their past record of disobedience. 

The inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah need not show up physically, to be re-evaluated and "stand again" in the heavenly court of God.
They can "stand again" (be "resurrected") for judgment, based upon their free will deeds, during their past lifetime.

So... Sodom and Gomorrah WILL, stand again before the judgment seat of God (resurrect), but they have already died to pay for their sins. They will not be granted life, nor will they receive physical life at all (Gen.18:20; Rom.6:23)..., 
just to stand up physically, to face again, the same condemnation.
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Why is all this important to us? 
We are facing the final culmination of divine judgment. Doctrines which teach that there is still a "thousand years" of grace ahead, (or that "new scrolls" are to open in the future) are misleading millions today. The hour is ever later then they imagine! 
If you have not yet learned when Christ's royal authority of the symbolic "thousand years" began and ended, when Satan was released from the Abyss and its' effect on God's chosen people... nor what the spiritual nature of the Great Tribulation and Armageddon, really is; then I strongly hope and suggest that you make full use of the search box located in the right column of this page. For any questions that remain, you are welcome to contact me via the contact form, located in the same area.

10 comments:

  1. With these things in mind, we ask about Sodom and Gomorrah.
    From what we know of them, and the fact that no one righteous lived there after Lot's family was removed... If they are judged on the basis of the teachings of Christ.... would they be able to withstand that scrutiny, and receive life according to that new provision and it's requirements?
    No."

    You do not listen to Christ, just as you didnt about the memorial date, then deleted the evidence.
    What did Jesus, the person you CLAIM to listen to, say about Sodom?

    Mat 11:23 “And you, Capernaum, will not be exalted to heaven, will you? You will descend to Hades; for if the [fn]miracles had occurred in Sodom which occurred in you, IT WOULD HAVE REMAINED TO THIS DAY."

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    1. 1. You accuse me of not listening to Christ, regarding the Memorial date. How would you know? Did you overhear our conversation? The truth is, I didn't listen TO YOU. YOU, are not Jesus Christ.

      2. Removing evidence? From the day it was posted, the first sentence in the Memorial post stated, that the post would be removed, after the Memorial passes. I left it up a few extra weeks afterward, until I was able to put up the next new post.

      Now I will address your calling attention to Jesus' words at Matt.11:23-24. You quoted a bad translation. I suggest going to the Greek interlinear, where it reads;

      "And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to Hades: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.”

      3. Verse23A: "And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to Hades."

      Note that it does not ask if Capernaum will be raised to heaven, but rather, it is declared that it IS raised to heaven. Verse 23 continues, by telling us that despite that, it will fall to Hades. -- Do you understand that this is a reference to the alliance of the "man of lawlessness" and Wormwood/Harlot/false prophet? Please compare Matt.11:23, to Isa.14:13,15.

      Please consider the context:

      12
      How you have fallen from heaven,
      morning star, son of the dawn! (Rev.8:10-11; 2:5; 2Pet.3:17)
      You have been cast down to the earth,
      you who once laid low the nations!
      13
      You said in your heart,
      “I will ascend to the heavens;
      I will raise my throne
      above the stars of God; (2Thess.2:4)
      I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly,
      on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon.
      14
      I will ascend above the tops of the clouds;
      I will make myself like the Most High.” (Dan.8:11-12; 7:25; Rev.13:4; Ps.113:5; 24:8)
      15
      But you are brought down to the realm of the dead,
      to the depths of the pit.

      16
      Those who see you stare at you,
      they ponder your fate:
      “Is this the man who shook the earth
      and made kingdoms tremble, (2Thess.2:3-4; Eze.28:8-9)
      17
      the man who made the world a wilderness, (Joel2:3; Ps.105:34-35; Rev.9:3)
      who overthrew its cities (Eze.38:10-11; Rev.20:9)
      and would not let his captives go home?” (Rev.13:10; Luke21:24; Col.2:8)
      Eze.36:8

      TO BE CONTINUED IN THE NEXT COMMENT

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  2. 4. Verse23B: "For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day."

    Two materialized angels from heaven, entered Sodom. Certainly if it were God's will... the God who allowed the raining down of fire and sulphur to destroy cities... could have had miracles performed in Sodom, could He not have? If that were all that were needed for their salvation, why didn't God do it? Note that Jesus did NOT say that if Sodom witnessed miracles, it would be granted salvation. He said that it would still be in existence.

    There are many nations in Satan's world (like Egypt) that endured for a long time. Do you think this is the same as God granting eternal salvation? What did Jesus call those who required miracles, signs, and wonders, in order to obey God? Matt.12:39; John4:48; 20:29; 2Cor.5:7

    Yes, Sodom might have skirted fire and brimstone from heaven, had they been shown miracles. Out of self-interest and selfish survival, they could have changed their behavior. So again I ask, why didn't God grant them this? Jesus reads hearts, and if he advises us, not giving pearls to swine and dogs, then God rightly judges the unworthy to be deprived of what might save them. He did so, regarding Sodom.

    Since Jesus tells us that "Capernaum" is ever worse than Sodom, then while Sodom would have curtailed it's evil if shown miracles... not so Capernaum. Even with miracles, they did not do what was necessary to be permitted to continue within Satan's world realm. Jesus does not ever mention a favorable judgment, for either city.

    5. Verse 25:

    "But I tell you that it will be more bearable for Sodom on the day of judgment than for you."

    Jesus always taught by symbolic parable, including his words above. (Matt.13:34-35,10-13). I will also use an illustration to try and explain them.



    If two runners in a race, never make it to the finish line, they both lose the race. It does not matter if one is closer and the other, further behind. But their final position when time runs out, does speak to the nature of the athletes. If one runner is known to be terrible... but the other is said to be far behind him... that does not mean that the one ahead, wins the race.

    The bottom line is that God and Christ are Judge. Whatever they decide, no one has a right to question. Today we have enough information to know what we must do to survive a judgment worse than Sodom or Capernaum. Are you ready to obey, or, do you also need a miracle? Mark 8:35; Matt.10:14-15; Luke 10:16

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  3. "You accuse me of not listening to Christ, regarding the Memorial date. How would you know? Did you overhear our conversation?"

    You DID LIE, because you posted the information about the memorial date HERE, and it was NOT correct. So THAT was a Lie!
    You will deceive yourself with all kinds of false reasonings, just so you dont take responsibility for what you did.

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    1. If you follow directions that someone gives you, and they take you somewhere you did not expect; Does that mean that you were Not, given directions? Does that mean that your destination was the wrong place to go?
      You are obsessed. You have a plank in your own eye and will never remove it as long as you keep harping on what YOU think, is a straw. When are you going to stop being a critical coward, and obey Jesus? Mark8:35

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  4. Yes Pearl...If we speak up in our meetings with Elders and be truthful, we will be (John 16:2) thrown out of the organization. We cannot call the Elders to have a meeting with them and act as if it is a "judicial meeting", (If we called the meeting it is not a judicial meeting),especially when we back down from speaking truthfully to them. A "judicial meeting" is one that the Elders set up and call us into the meeting, not one that we set up. If we seek to save ourselves from being disfellowshipped by not speaking truthfully to the Elders, then we are cowards.

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    1. Oh yes! The "judicial meeting" LOL
      What a farce.
      He backs down to the Beast when they ask him who he spoke to, and if he is going to keep his thoughts to himself. They demand silence from him, and he agrees!!! He is still branded as a slave to the Beast!
      Does he delude himself into thinking that this is really following the faithful example of Jesus Christ?
      He knows the truth about the winepress and the identity of the Beast and Harlot... and then he goes ahead and submits to them! He keeps the death that hovers over millions, to himself, lest he should warn them to save any possible. Rather than save eternal lives, he would rather avoid losing the approval of wicked men.
      The only reason why HE CALLED the meeting with the elders, was to proudly show off his tiny bit of knowledge, about Mark 13:8. He forgets where he learned it, and the responsibility that comes with having it (Mark8:35; Heb.10:38-39). And then he has the gall, to harass the faithful anointed, who have surrendered everything for Christ... just because they refuse to let this coward become lord over them!
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSA2PkoIgAU
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      Anyone who acts with loyal faithfulness, is preaching the truth to all they can. THIS, is what causes the Beast/"elders" TO CALL US into a judicial meeting. If we do not compromise to their demand for silence, it will most assuredly result in our being "killed"/disfellowshipped (Rev.13:15). The "elders" had no reason to call him into a meeting, because he's not obeying Christ.

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    2. Sooner or later, the Beast will get a full picture of his online activity. He just may get thrown out, despite his cowardice. He may then delude himself to thinking that his death actually counts as a faithful one. If he is killed before giving his witness to everyone he can, he will have LOST HIS OPPORTUNITY to die for the right reason.... for faithfully, courageously, and selflessly doing all that God requires, to save lives.

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  5. He is deluding himself about many things. Although he knows who the Beast/”man of lawlessness” and false prophet/Wormwood are, he believes the thousand year reign of Christ is NOT over. Rev 20:7-9 http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2017/03/what-is-thousand-years.html All that he has learned, is slipping away from him; and his agenda is now to slander God’s prophet – his version of “trampling” the anointed priesthood/Temple of God, who speak truth. 1 Pet 2:5,9;1 Cor 3:16,17;Rev 11:1-3 If one submits to the Beast as he has, one supports it and falls right in with its"disgusting" acts made against God’s Temple. Matt 24:15; 2 Thess 2:3,4 Does he realize this? I don't think so.

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    1. Luke 8:18 "Therefore consider carefully how you listen. Whoever has will be given more; whoever does not have, even what they think they have will be taken from them.”

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