Sunday, August 4, 2013

"Nebuchadnezzar's" Dream


Hello Pearl

While reading the book of Daniel there was this part that l have tried to work out, even tried to cross reference yet fail to find what l am looking for, maybe you can help me understand this account.

Nebuchadnezzar had dreams in chapter 2, now if am correct the king never told anyone what God showed him, he kept that to himself.
Now no wise man was able to tell Nebuchadnezzar what he saw, and the king never told them.
Daniel sought God's favor into what the king saw, and also to be able to retell what it meant.
And God shows Daniel what the king saw and what it meant.
Ok l understand this.
This is the part l cannot find another account of!
I have failed to find any other account (cross reference or fulfillment) where God has shown what another person is dreaming to another person, bearing in mind the king never told anyone what he saw.
Pearl is there any other accounts similar to this account in the bible?
This account was just so eye catching to me.
Pearl is there other accounts similar to this one.

Many thanks for your time

REPLY:

It may help to remember that Nebuchadnezzar (the king of Babylon) pre-figures Satan.
He is the true king of all political powers (Matt.4:8,9; 1John5:19) and "head" to his entire political system.
He himself can not prophesy about what he is going to do, or what his "dreams" and schemes are going to be as the end draws near.
But God does! HE knows ahead of time Satan's future desires, schemes and tactics (Isa.46:10; Dan.2:47) when Satan finds himself in that final situation, which he can not fully foretell nor overcome successfully.
God has prophesied about what Satan will do in the time of the end, but because Satan does not have Holy Spirit...
Satan does not know either his "dream", nor what the prophecies about it, mean. But he wants to know!...So that he can keep from making those mistakes after he knows what he does wrong.

How can Satan come to know the meaning of all the end-time prophecies about him?
The only ones that find out the true meaning from God, are God's true prophets (Amos3:7; Rev.10:7; 11:3).
Just as Nebuchadnezzar turned to Daniel (a true servant of God),
Satan learns as he observes the prophets declare the interpretation of prophecies about him.
But Satan can not change the accuracy of what God has foretold!
This is why the Bible says that God puts "hooks in your jaw" (Eze.29:4; 38:4; http://pearl-leviathan.blogspot.com/) and pulls him forward to his end, regardless of what he comes to know.
God knows that Satan will not be able to resist doing what God has foretold.
Once Satan reaches that situation and sees all his destructive and evil choices, he will know that the only course left to him, will be to destroy his own adherents
(Rev.9:11; John10:10; Heb.2:14; 1Cor.5:5), the sons of destruction (2Thess.2:3; John17:12; 8:44). But the faithful will be rescued from Satan's power of death (Rev.13:9,10; Luke4:18; Heb.2:15,16; Rev.9:10; 1Cor.15:55).

God foretold Satan's scheme most clearly, at Rev.13:1.
It helps greatly to remember that Revelation was originally written without chapters and verses. This means that Rev.13:1 follows immediately after Rev.12:17...
"And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went off to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

  We know that Satan has been waging war with the "woman's seed" since the beginning (Gen.3:15).
But Rev.12:17 is speaking of Satan re-evaluating his tactics when it comes to the last of these in the time of the end ("the rest of her offspring"). As soon as he "goes off" to wage war with them, we see him in Rev.13:1, causing a new beast to rise from the sea.
Satan's new tactic is a final Gentile beast (from the "sea"/Nations). This final tool of Satan's authority against the woman's seed is different (Dan.7:2,7,19). This final Gentile beast of persecution, will be allied with anointed (Rev.8:10,11; 9:1; 13:11,12,15--from "the earth"). This is the same duel dominion in Daniel's vision of the feet of the Image (Dan.2:40,43).
http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/02/rev.html
http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/05/why-jesus-came-to-earth-last-world.html

We learn that Satan has great success through this final Gentile beast who is allied with the Harlot above it.
Dan.12:7 reads; 
"...when the power of the holy people has been completely shattered, all these things shall be finished."
(Rev.13:7,11; Rev.9:3,4,5,10; Rev.12:4; 17:3,6,17; 11:7). 
Having anointed rule this Gentile beast helps to camouflage it from the other anointed "seed" (Rev.13:11; Matt.24:4,24,25; 7:15).

The reign of this duel dominion is included in the period of time referred to as the "Gentile Times", while the chosen are subjected to Satan's dominion (Luke21:24; Rev.2:10; 13:10,15; 11:7; John16:2; Rev.6:9,11; Mark8:35). This final mountain-like power and dominion will not retain it's captivity of the faithful (Isa.49:24,25; Jer.31:11; 15:21; Ps.37:40; Matt.12:29; Rev.20:1,2; Zech.4:7,9,14; Rev.8:8; Mark11:23; Rev.18:21; Dan.2:42,43,34,44) ( http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/02/jehovahs-genuine-mountain.html). 
Those inclined toward loyalty to God, will awaken (Matt.25:5,6,7; Isa.60:1,2), and battle with Christ against Satan and his representatives (Rev.12:17,7,8,11; 16:13,14,15; 19:11,14,19; 17:14; 12:11; 2Cor.10:4,5). With Christ in the lead, they will conquer Satan and his lies (Rev.12:8,9,10,11; 16:12; 7:14; 19:8,11,14,20; 2:26,27; Rom.16:20).

Rev.13:1 has an accurate cross reference at Eze.21:21-27...>>>

21 For the king of Babylon (Nebuchadnezzar) stands at the parting of the road (the "shore"), at the fork of the two roads (earth and sea), to use divination: he shakes the arrows, he consults the images, he looks at the liver. 22 In his right hand is the divination for Jerusalem: to set up battering rams, to call for a slaughter, to lift the voice with shouting, to set battering rams against the gates, to heap up a siege mound, and to build a wall. (Eze.38:10,11; Rev.20:8; Luke19:41,42,43,44; Mark13:33; Luke21:20,34,35,36; Eph.6:18; Rev.11:2; 13:7) 23 And it will be to them like a false divination in the eyes of those who have sworn oaths with them (Dan.9:27; 11:30,31,32,33); but he will bring their iniquity to remembrance, that they may be taken. (Rev.8:10,11; 9:1; 18:2,5)
24 “Therefore thus says the Lord God: ‘Because you have made your iniquity to be remembered, in that your transgressions are uncovered (Rev.18:5; Isa.47:3; Nahum3:5; Eze.16:37; Rev.17:16), so that in all your doings your sins appear (2Pet.3:10; Mal.3:18; 1Cor.11:19; Luke21:22,21; Rev.18:5)—because you have come to remembrance, you shall be taken in hand. (see 2Chron.18:18,20,21,22)
25 ‘Now to you, O profane, wicked prince of Israel, whose day has come, whose iniquity shall end, 26 thus says the Lord God:
“Remove the turban, and take off the crown;
Nothing shall remain the same.
Exalt the humble, and humble the exalted.
27 Overthrown, overthrown,
I will make it overthrown!
It shall be no longer,
Until He comes whose right it is,
And I will give it to Him.”’

This happens in the time of the end. Satan is the king of Babylon (symbolized by Nebuchadnezzar).
When the Gentiles are finally "overthrown", the Gentile Times finally end, and God's Kingdom comes.
Cross references to the bold phrases, are;
Matt.23:11,12; Dan.7:27; 2:34,44; Rev.12:10,11,17; 19:11,14,19,20

Even though Satan wages fierce warfare against Christ and his final brothers,
and tries to know his own dreams so that he can outmaneuver prophecy,
God's Words will come to pass (Isa.46:10).

I hope this helps,

Pearl

---------------------------------------------- FOLLOW-UP QUESTION:

God showed Daniel the dream, plus gave him understanding into the dream.
Did God show His power like this with Daniel to any other of His chosen/ anointed In the bible?

REPLY:
If you read the account of Nebuchadnezzar's dream, it does not say that he remembered his own dream. He only knew that he felt dread about it, and he wanted to know both...
what the dream was,
and what it meant.
It is the same with Satan, trying to know what his own plan is,
and how it will turn out for him.

Yes, that power to understand Satan's schemes (dream) is given to the final prophets at the right time,
so that they can warn whoever will listen, so that they can save themselves from Satan's scheme of the Wild Beast/blasphemous Organization, and the fallen star/false prophet/harlot, above it. 
(Rev.13:1; 2Thess.2:4)
(Dan.12:3,10; Phil.2:15; Rev.11:3,4; Zech.4:11,12,14; Rev.2:29)

------------------------FOLLOW-UP COMMENT

Thanks again pearl.
I myself was looking more at verse 9, were the king saids. Tell me the dream and l will know that you can tell me the interpretation of it. 
I would read this that the king did know what he saw, but was not able to understand it! So he didn't, tell anyone and kept it to himself so that when or if someone did come forward to give the interpretation,l whoever told him what he saw, without Nebuchadnezzar disclosing it, he would know weather they were lying or not, which is why he may have made the comment he did at the start of v9 if you will not make know to me the dream, there is just one sentence for you; for you have prepared lying and corrupt words to speak to me. To me Pearl because they had to relate what the king saw, the king would know himself weather it was false or not. He may not have been able to make head nor tail of it! But he would have known weather the person was telling the truth! That's what I would have been trying to explain to you. So Daniel was the one that seeks God face, and God reveals all of the dream to Daniel, so when Daniel came before the king and told him what he saw, the king knew it to be true,. This is one of the points am trying hard to explain. King Nebuchadnezzar knew he could fool people, but not God, not when he was faced with Daniel telling him what he saw in the dream. King Nebuchadnezzar knew that the interpretation would be truthfull And that is why he said what he said it v 47! Because Daniel is without a doubt A True Anointed One.
Thanks again Pearl!

Helen
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My response:

Dear Helen,
I certainly understand why you think that the King wanted the whole dream told to him before the interpretation...
that the reason is because if they know the dream, then they know the interpretation.
But there is more to it.
Think of this.
If Daniel only told the king the interpretation, just as he actually did in verses 36-45,
as he mentioned all the king saw and what each thing meant,
would the king not know that Daniel also knew the dream?

But please take note of Dan.2:26...
"The king answered and said to Daniel, whose name was Belteshazzar, 
'Are you able to make known TO ME the dream which I have seen, AND its interpretation?'”

In verses 31-35, Daniel ONLY tells the king his dream, with NO interpretation added.
Then,
in verses 36-45, Daniel gives details to each symbol.
Now ask yourself,

Why would that not be enough for someone to explain the meaning of the dream to the king?
Why did the king first need to be told the whole dream with all it's details,
BEFORE Daniel told him what each detail meant?

Look at what the king said at Daniel 2:3,7
"And the king said to them, “I have had a dream, and my spirit is anxious TO KNOW THE DREAM.”
When the Chaldeans asked the king for the dream so that they could interpret it for him,
what did he say?
He just kept asking for the dream to be told to him first(Dan.2:5,6,9).

The Bible could have told us that the distressing dream the king had,
he only wanted the interpretation to.
But the first thing the king DOES say,
is that HE WANTS TO KNOW THE DREAM. (Dan.2:2,3,5,6,9)
The king was greatly relieved to know the dream that disturbed him so much,
and which was a hidden secret, even to him (Dan.2:46,47).

This is not too hard to understand.
Did you ever have a dream which caused you great distress,
and after you woke up, you could not remember it?
Did you ever hear a new song that you loved,
and the next day could not remember all the words and the melody...
BUT
if someone played the song...you would immediately recognize if that was the right song?

Why do you think that this account of the king's dream and it's interpretation,
includes Dan.2:21?
This is all about removing Satan as king of God's creation...
replacing him with the kingdom heirs (Dan.2:44). 

Because I know for sure, that this is a prophecy about Satan trying to know the end,
what he does,
and what he does wrong, so that he can still try and win the war with Christ...
by getting an interpretation of the prophecies before they come to pass.

This is how I am sure, that the king did not know the dream after he awoke,
but needed a servant of God to BOTH...tell him the dream,
AND it's interpretation.

In the fulfillment of this prophecy,
Satan is looking for the details and the interpretation,
through God's prophets.

I hope this helps you to see my reasons for what I wrote.
Love,

Pearl

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  1. Thanks again pearl.
    I myself was looking more at verse 9, were the king saids. Tell me the dream and l will know that you can tell me the interpretation of it.
    I would read this that the king did know what he saw, but was not able to understand it! So he didn't, tell anyone and kept it to himself so that when or if someone did come forward to give the interpretation,l whoever told him what he saw, without Nebuchadnezzar disclosing it, he would know weather they were lying or not, which is why he may have made the comment he did at the start of v9 if you will not make know to me the dream, there is just one sentence for you; for you have prepared lying and corrupt words to speak to me. To me Pearl because they had to relate what the king saw, the king would know himself weather it was false or not. He may not have been able to make head nor tail of it! But he would have known weather the person was telling the truth! That's what I would have been trying to explain to you. So Daniel was the one that seeks God face, and God reveals all of the dream to Daniel, so when Daniel came before the king and told him what he saw, the king knew it to be true,. This is one of the points am trying hard to explain. King Nebuchadnezzar knew he could fool people, but not God, not when he was faced with Daniel telling him what he saw in the dream. King Nebuchadnezzar knew that the interpretation would be truthfull And that is why he said what he said it v 47! Because Daniel is without a doubt A True Anointed One.
    Thanks again Pearl!
    Helen

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    1. Dear Helen,
      I certainly understand why you think that the King wanted the whole dream told to him before the interpretation...
      that the reason is because if they know the dream, then they know the interpretation.
      But there is more to it.
      Think of this.
      If Daniel only told the king the interpretation, just as he actually did in verses 36-45,
      as he mentioned all the king saw and what each thing meant,
      would the king not know that Daniel also knew the dream?

      But please take note of Dan.2:26...
      "The king answered and said to Daniel, whose name was Belteshazzar,
      'Are you able to make known TO ME the dream which I have seen, AND its interpretation?'”

      In verses 31-35, Daniel ONLY tells the king his dream, with NO interpretation added.
      Then,
      in verses 36-45, Daniel gives details to each symbol.
      Now ask yourself,

      Why would that not be enough for someone to explain the meaning of the dream to the king?
      Why did the king first need to be told the whole dream with all it's details,
      BEFORE Daniel told him what each detail meant?

      Look at what the king said at Daniel 2:3,7
      "And the king said to them, “I have had a dream, and my spirit is anxious TO KNOW THE DREAM.”
      When the Chaldeans asked the king for the dream so that they could interpret it for him,
      what did he say?
      He just kept asking for the dream to be told to him first(Dan.2:5,6,9).

      The Bible could have told us that the distressing dream the king had,
      he only wanted the interpretation to.
      But the first thing the kind DOES say,
      is that HE WANTS TO KNOW THE DREAM. (Dan.2:2,3,5,6,9)
      The king was greatly relieved to know the dream that disturbed him so much,
      and which was a hidden secret, even to him (Dan.2:46,47).

      This is not too hard to understand.
      Did you ever have a dream which caused you great distress,
      and after you woke up, you could not remember it?
      Did you ever hear a new song that you loved,
      and the next day could not remember all the words and the melody...
      BUT
      if someone played the song...you would immediately recognize if that was the right song?

      Why do you think that this account of the king's dream and it's interpretation,
      includes Dan.2:21?
      This is all about removing Satan as king of God's creation...
      replacing him with the kingdom heirs (Dan.2:44).

      Because I know for sure, that this is a prophecy about Satan trying to know the end,
      what he does,
      and what he does wrong, so that he can still try and win the war with Christ...
      by getting an interpretation of the prophecies before they come to pass.

      This is how I am sure, that the king did not know the dream after he awoke,
      but needed a servant of God to BOTH...tell him the dream,
      AND it's interpretation.

      In the fulfillment of this prophecy,
      Satan is looking for the details and the interpretation,
      through God's prophets.

      I hope this helps you to see my reasons for what I wrote.
      Love,
      Pearl

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  2. To the unknown commentor whom has raised up a question. These other accounts that God helped with revealing the interpretation of dreams, also took place with Joseph son of Jacob. May you find comfort in what you're looking for.

    To Pearl: thank you for many posted of the scriptures, it is highly appreciated

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