A LETTER I RECEIVED:
I was wondering what you think of this...
When Jerusalem's temple wall was breached by the 'Gentiles', and then left...and they didn't come back for "3.5 years/times", do you think that was a prophetic type for what we are going through now?
Seeing the "gentile elders/beast" in the temple (standing where it ought not Mark 13:14) and us having to flee to the mountains (Eze.36:8)...
Are we in the 3 and a half times that was allowed for people to escape ?
I don't think it was a chance thing that 3.5 times was allowed by Jehavah to set a pattern for modern times.
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REPLY:
You are right. I remember having the same conversation with my husband about the time it took for the Romans to return, and that it was a prophetic pattern for now.
The Romans threatened all those in Jerusalem (Jew and Christian) the first go round.
The second/last threat and assault, was only for those who did not obey Jesus, by "fleeing" "Jerusalem" (Matt.24:15,16; Rev.18:4).
The first 3 1/2 was the ministry of Jesus (3 1/2 years).
The second 3 1/2 was while the faithful were in the wilderness, after their fleeing Jerusalem.
During the entire "7", the Gentiles are in power, and "Jerusalem" is under the effect of their domination.
(Luke 21:24; Isa.5:5; 63:18; Dan.8:13; 12:7; Rev.11:2,3,7; 13:7,10,15; 6:9,10,11; 20:4)
Of course it is obvious that these original two periods (of three and a half years each) were not consecutive. This is because they are not, in their fulfillment today, a literal time period of seven years. This is partly why God's Word refers to them, as seven "times", and not as seven "years". It is also why each "time", is 360 (12X30), and not a 365 solar year.
In the first Century, the Temple was already under the dominion of the Romans, before either attack on Jerusalem. So too today (Dan.7:25; Rev.13:7; 9:3,5,10; Matt.5:13).
The point at which the first assault by the Gentiles occurs today, is when the faithful anointed, are "killed", or, disfellowshipped/expelled (John 16:2; Heb.13:13; Mark 13:13; Isa.66:5; 2Chron. 13:9). This is comparable to the first century, and it's temple's "wall" being breached at the first siege (Isa.5:5; Ps.80:12; 89:40; Prov.24:31). Today, not all of the anointed Temple, are made powerless with this first breach. That complete collapse of "Jerusalem" is yet to come (Dan.12:7).
This "wall" today, (Matt.21:33; Neh.1:3; 2:17) was a defensive boundary (Job 1:10) for the "Temple" (1Cor. 3:16; 1Pet. 2:5; Eph.2:21,22) and all the unsealed priests (both anointed leaders and anointed followers/Steward and domestics) within it.
Once the "wall" is initially breached (Rev.8:10,11; 13:1; 9:1,3; Job 30:14) by the spiritual "weapons" the false prophet gives to the Gentiles (deceptive doctrines, lying arrangements, illicit power and false authority Rev.9:1,2,3,7; 13:2,11,12,14,15; 16:13,14; 2Thess. 2:9,10; Hosea 4:6; Dan.8:24 (Rev.13:12); Luke 21:24; Rev.11:1,2),
(1st Century-- Matt.27:1,2; John 18:30,31; 19:12,15; Luke 23:2)
the previous defensive "wall" no longer protects the chosen priests within it (Ec.10:5,6,7; 2Thess. 2:4; Ps.82:6). Once the breach expels those who take a stand for truth, the stage is then set for the demise of the entire temple, ...including the "Harlot" (Ec.10:8; Isa.47:10; Dan.8:13; 11:13).
The second siege, is for the unfaithful. The very same river of lies (white-washed wall) of the False Prophet/Harlot/wicked steward, that was breached by Gentiles (Beast) to destroy their brothers; will later come back and also take them away (Isa.28:15,17,18,19,20; 30:12,13; Jer.50:15; Rev.18:6).
The meaning of "wall", are teachings we obey, that serve as a boundary to our conscience...which can be a protection if they are true,
or if false, will be our demise.
Such walls can be "fortified", "torn down", "repaired", "burrowed through", "white-washed", "cracked", "stormed against", "groped for", "sat upon", "leaning"/"swell out", "crawled upon", "rebuilt", "dug into", etc. I assume you can interpret what these symbolic descriptions mean, regarding wall-like teachings and truths, as well as false doctrines.
A book could be written about all the Bible's meanings, regarding this one symbol of "wall".
What the harlotrous, ruling, and chosen Steward does not realize, is that the protective wall that she empowers the Gentiles to remove (so that her fellow anointed slaves are open to attack; (1John 3:12,15; 4:20), is the very same wall that protects her. She has removed the distinction between the common Gentile ("elders") and the sanctified Priest (anointed chosen) (Lam.1:10; Eze.22:25,26,27,28; Matt.7:15; Acts 10:15; 20:29; Zeph.3:3; Eze.44:6,7,8,9) so that the uncircumcised Gentiles can become priests of the Temple, ...profane the Temple... and discard it's priesthood (2Chron. 13:9; 1Sam. 22:17,18,19,21) ...a priesthood which competes with the power and authority of the Harlot
I was wondering what you think of this...
When Jerusalem's temple wall was breached by the 'Gentiles', and then left...and they didn't come back for "3.5 years/times", do you think that was a prophetic type for what we are going through now?
Seeing the "gentile elders/beast" in the temple (standing where it ought not Mark 13:14) and us having to flee to the mountains (Eze.36:8)...
Are we in the 3 and a half times that was allowed for people to escape ?
I don't think it was a chance thing that 3.5 times was allowed by Jehavah to set a pattern for modern times.
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REPLY:
You are right. I remember having the same conversation with my husband about the time it took for the Romans to return, and that it was a prophetic pattern for now.
The Romans threatened all those in Jerusalem (Jew and Christian) the first go round.
The second/last threat and assault, was only for those who did not obey Jesus, by "fleeing" "Jerusalem" (Matt.24:15,16; Rev.18:4).
The first 3 1/2 was the ministry of Jesus (3 1/2 years).
The second 3 1/2 was while the faithful were in the wilderness, after their fleeing Jerusalem.
During the entire "7", the Gentiles are in power, and "Jerusalem" is under the effect of their domination.
(Luke 21:24; Isa.5:5; 63:18; Dan.8:13; 12:7; Rev.11:2,3,7; 13:7,10,15; 6:9,10,11; 20:4)
Of course it is obvious that these original two periods (of three and a half years each) were not consecutive. This is because they are not, in their fulfillment today, a literal time period of seven years. This is partly why God's Word refers to them, as seven "times", and not as seven "years". It is also why each "time", is 360 (12X30), and not a 365 solar year.
In the first Century, the Temple was already under the dominion of the Romans, before either attack on Jerusalem. So too today (Dan.7:25; Rev.13:7; 9:3,5,10; Matt.5:13).
The point at which the first assault by the Gentiles occurs today, is when the faithful anointed, are "killed", or, disfellowshipped/expelled (John 16:2; Heb.13:13; Mark 13:13; Isa.66:5; 2Chron. 13:9). This is comparable to the first century, and it's temple's "wall" being breached at the first siege (Isa.5:5; Ps.80:12; 89:40; Prov.24:31). Today, not all of the anointed Temple, are made powerless with this first breach. That complete collapse of "Jerusalem" is yet to come (Dan.12:7).
This "wall" today, (Matt.21:33; Neh.1:3; 2:17) was a defensive boundary (Job 1:10) for the "Temple" (1Cor. 3:16; 1Pet. 2:5; Eph.2:21,22) and all the unsealed priests (both anointed leaders and anointed followers/Steward and domestics) within it.
Once the "wall" is initially breached (Rev.8:10,11; 13:1; 9:1,3; Job 30:14) by the spiritual "weapons" the false prophet gives to the Gentiles (deceptive doctrines, lying arrangements, illicit power and false authority Rev.9:1,2,3,7; 13:2,11,12,14,15; 16:13,14; 2Thess. 2:9,10; Hosea 4:6; Dan.8:24 (Rev.13:12); Luke 21:24; Rev.11:1,2),
(1st Century-- Matt.27:1,2; John 18:30,31; 19:12,15; Luke 23:2)
the previous defensive "wall" no longer protects the chosen priests within it (Ec.10:5,6,7; 2Thess. 2:4; Ps.82:6). Once the breach expels those who take a stand for truth, the stage is then set for the demise of the entire temple, ...including the "Harlot" (Ec.10:8; Isa.47:10; Dan.8:13; 11:13).
The second siege, is for the unfaithful. The very same river of lies (white-washed wall) of the False Prophet/Harlot/wicked steward, that was breached by Gentiles (Beast) to destroy their brothers; will later come back and also take them away (Isa.28:15,17,18,19,20; 30:12,13; Jer.50:15; Rev.18:6).
The meaning of "wall", are teachings we obey, that serve as a boundary to our conscience...which can be a protection if they are true,
or if false, will be our demise.
Such walls can be "fortified", "torn down", "repaired", "burrowed through", "white-washed", "cracked", "stormed against", "groped for", "sat upon", "leaning"/"swell out", "crawled upon", "rebuilt", "dug into", etc. I assume you can interpret what these symbolic descriptions mean, regarding wall-like teachings and truths, as well as false doctrines.
A book could be written about all the Bible's meanings, regarding this one symbol of "wall".
What the harlotrous, ruling, and chosen Steward does not realize, is that the protective wall that she empowers the Gentiles to remove (so that her fellow anointed slaves are open to attack; (1John 3:12,15; 4:20), is the very same wall that protects her. She has removed the distinction between the common Gentile ("elders") and the sanctified Priest (anointed chosen) (Lam.1:10; Eze.22:25,26,27,28; Matt.7:15; Acts 10:15; 20:29; Zeph.3:3; Eze.44:6,7,8,9) so that the uncircumcised Gentiles can become priests of the Temple, ...profane the Temple... and discard it's priesthood (2Chron. 13:9; 1Sam. 22:17,18,19,21) ...a priesthood which competes with the power and authority of the Harlot
(Matt.21:45; 23:13,27,28,30,31,32,33,34,35; Rev.18:24; Isa.26:21; Luke 11:50; John 11:47,48,49,50).
She does not foresee that the power and authority she gives the Gentile Beast (Rev.9:3; 13:15), is also a threat to her. The Gentiles will not remain her lovers forever (Jer.2:20; Eze.16:15,16; 23:16,17,28,29,30,35,22,23,24,25,26,27; Rev.17:2,16).
The non-anointed Organization does turn on the adulterous Chosen Ones above it. Ironically, it is the power that the Beast receives from the False Prophet/Harlot, which it uses to destroy her. This is a perfect fit to all the prophetic parables the scroll of Revelation uses, to describe the fornication between the Gentiles and the Chosen House Manager/Steward (in Rev.ch.9; ch.13; and ch.17). (Luke 12:42,45,46)
(http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/07/seven-spiritsscrollsdistinction.html)
Does the Governing Bdy. really have divine authority, to allow spiritual "Gentile" Elders
(not anointed, priestly "Jews" -Rom.2:28,29; 1Pet. 2:9)
...to replace the chosen priesthood, take over their duties (Eze.44:6,7,8,9), pass judgment on God's elect (Rom.8:33; 2Pet. 2:10; Rev.13:15), and throw them out? (John 16:2; Rev.11:7; 2Chron. 13:9)
Only the anointed priests have received the "circumcision of the heart" that they may enter the Temple to "render acceptable service"
(Rom.2:28,29; 1Pet. 2:5; Num.18:7; 3:10).
Any other arrangement, is considered a "disgusting thing, standing in a holy place" (Mark 13:14; Rev.11:2).
The second siege is the point after which all have had the opportunity to "flee" apostate Jerusalem. Once you see the faithful trampled upon, you know that "Jerusalem" is "surrounded by encamped armies" of Gentiles, and it is time to FLEE (Luke 21:20,21,22). When the "Gentiles" return, they will devastate the unfaithful who remain inside....this is when the "Beast" turns on the "Harlot". It is after the faithful have already been thrown out, or, have been "killed" by the "Wild Beast" (Rev.11:7; 6:9) for their faithful stance for Truth, even in the face of its consequences [Rev.12:11; 11:7; Luke 17:33; Matt.10:32,33 (John 14:6; 4:24)]. At the final devastation of apostate "Jerusalem", the faithful are "outside the camp", in the "wilderness" (Heb.13:13; Luke 17:30,31,32,35,37; Rev.12:6; 11:3; Eze.14:22).
The first 3 1/2 times, can partly be described as the period during which the anointed are growing to maturity, being taught by Christ, following in his footsteps, and being "drawn" by the Father, while under stewardship (Gal.4:2,3,1; 1Cor. 4:15; Heb.12:9). The midpoint is when they are matured and ready to submit to their Heavenly Father...killed for their faithfulness and loyalty (Rev.6:9,10,11), chosen and sealed.
The second period of 3 1/2, is when they fulfill the role of John the Baptist/Elijah, by preparing the way for the second arrival of Christ, calling for repentance of those in Covenant with God, and those associated with them (Luke 1:17; Matt.3:3; 11:14; Luke 1:76) which also applies today (Mal.4:5; Matt.17:11; 25:6; Acts 3:21).
This is the same period while they are considered the "carcass"/"slain", upon which the sealed "eagles" (and those who receive them) feed (Luke 17:37; Matt.24:27,28; Rev.12:14; 1Cor. 10:17).
(http://eagle-or-vulture-obadiah.blogspot.com/)
This is their period in the "wilderness" (set free from "Egypt", "Sodom", and "Babylon" Rev.9:13,14; Luke 4:18; 1:17; Mal.4:5; Matt.17:11), when they are given the freedom as the wings of eagles (spiritual perception) and open entrance into the marriage "feast" (Matt.25:10; 13:12). One need not be anointed in order to be invited into, and partakers of, this spiritual feast and it's provisions (Matt.22:8,9; Rev.19:9)....which is the opening of the seven seals of Revelation (Rev.5:1,6,7; 1:1,20; Zech.4:2,3,4,14; Rev.11:3,4; Matt.5:14).
This is also the window....the time of escape to the wilderness....to flee to the "hills"/"mountains" of Judea (Matt.5:14; John 15:5; Eze.36:8; 17:23), who are also the faithful slain (Rev.6:9,10,11; Matt.24:28; Job 39:30,27,28,29,30).
This is not the same feasting as the "wild animals and unclean birds", who feed upon the slain wicked ones (Jer.49:16; Ob.1:4; Job.39:26; Eze.39:17,18,19,20,21,22; Hab.1:8,9; Rev.18:2; Isa.13:21; 34:11,13; Jer.50:39; 51:37; Zeph.2:14).
Once the Gentile Beast is done with the faithful (Rev.11:7; 13:15; 20:4) and then turns on the Harlot, apostate Jerusalem (Rev.17:1,6,16)...
[the unfaithful in Covenant with God (Hosea 1:2; 2:2; Rev.17:2)]
the door to escaping the "City", (Rev.17:18),
[which is responsible for the "deaths" of the faithful (Rev.11:8)]
is shut. (2Thess. 1:8,9)
This event is rushing toward us.
The demise of the corrupt Temple draws near
(http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/07/seven-spiritsscrollsdistinction.html)
Does the Governing Bdy. really have divine authority, to allow spiritual "Gentile" Elders
(not anointed, priestly "Jews" -Rom.2:28,29; 1Pet. 2:9)
...to replace the chosen priesthood, take over their duties (Eze.44:6,7,8,9), pass judgment on God's elect (Rom.8:33; 2Pet. 2:10; Rev.13:15), and throw them out? (John 16:2; Rev.11:7; 2Chron. 13:9)
Only the anointed priests have received the "circumcision of the heart" that they may enter the Temple to "render acceptable service"
(Rom.2:28,29; 1Pet. 2:5; Num.18:7; 3:10).
Any other arrangement, is considered a "disgusting thing, standing in a holy place" (Mark 13:14; Rev.11:2).
The second siege is the point after which all have had the opportunity to "flee" apostate Jerusalem. Once you see the faithful trampled upon, you know that "Jerusalem" is "surrounded by encamped armies" of Gentiles, and it is time to FLEE (Luke 21:20,21,22). When the "Gentiles" return, they will devastate the unfaithful who remain inside....this is when the "Beast" turns on the "Harlot". It is after the faithful have already been thrown out, or, have been "killed" by the "Wild Beast" (Rev.11:7; 6:9) for their faithful stance for Truth, even in the face of its consequences [Rev.12:11; 11:7; Luke 17:33; Matt.10:32,33 (John 14:6; 4:24)]. At the final devastation of apostate "Jerusalem", the faithful are "outside the camp", in the "wilderness" (Heb.13:13; Luke 17:30,31,32,35,37; Rev.12:6; 11:3; Eze.14:22).
The first 3 1/2 times, can partly be described as the period during which the anointed are growing to maturity, being taught by Christ, following in his footsteps, and being "drawn" by the Father, while under stewardship (Gal.4:2,3,1; 1Cor. 4:15; Heb.12:9). The midpoint is when they are matured and ready to submit to their Heavenly Father...killed for their faithfulness and loyalty (Rev.6:9,10,11), chosen and sealed.
The second period of 3 1/2, is when they fulfill the role of John the Baptist/Elijah, by preparing the way for the second arrival of Christ, calling for repentance of those in Covenant with God, and those associated with them (Luke 1:17; Matt.3:3; 11:14; Luke 1:76) which also applies today (Mal.4:5; Matt.17:11; 25:6; Acts 3:21).
This is the same period while they are considered the "carcass"/"slain", upon which the sealed "eagles" (and those who receive them) feed (Luke 17:37; Matt.24:27,28; Rev.12:14; 1Cor. 10:17).
(http://eagle-or-vulture-obadiah.blogspot.com/)
This is their period in the "wilderness" (set free from "Egypt", "Sodom", and "Babylon" Rev.9:13,14; Luke 4:18; 1:17; Mal.4:5; Matt.17:11), when they are given the freedom as the wings of eagles (spiritual perception) and open entrance into the marriage "feast" (Matt.25:10; 13:12). One need not be anointed in order to be invited into, and partakers of, this spiritual feast and it's provisions (Matt.22:8,9; Rev.19:9)....which is the opening of the seven seals of Revelation (Rev.5:1,6,7; 1:1,20; Zech.4:2,3,4,14; Rev.11:3,4; Matt.5:14).
This is also the window....the time of escape to the wilderness....to flee to the "hills"/"mountains" of Judea (Matt.5:14; John 15:5; Eze.36:8; 17:23), who are also the faithful slain (Rev.6:9,10,11; Matt.24:28; Job 39:30,27,28,29,30).
This is not the same feasting as the "wild animals and unclean birds", who feed upon the slain wicked ones (Jer.49:16; Ob.1:4; Job.39:26; Eze.39:17,18,19,20,21,22; Hab.1:8,9; Rev.18:2; Isa.13:21; 34:11,13; Jer.50:39; 51:37; Zeph.2:14).
Once the Gentile Beast is done with the faithful (Rev.11:7; 13:15; 20:4) and then turns on the Harlot, apostate Jerusalem (Rev.17:1,6,16)...
[the unfaithful in Covenant with God (Hosea 1:2; 2:2; Rev.17:2)]
the door to escaping the "City", (Rev.17:18),
[which is responsible for the "deaths" of the faithful (Rev.11:8)]
is shut. (2Thess. 1:8,9)
This event is rushing toward us.
The demise of the corrupt Temple draws near
(Eze.8:6,7,8,9,10,11,12; Mark 13:2; Dan.9:26; Luke 19:44; Matt.24:2; Luke 17:27,29,30,32,33,35,37)
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Sister Pearl,
ReplyDeleteNice spiritual meal and as your last part shows how very sobering to think of the conseqences of being in this unfaithful city when she meets her demise.
It seem's to me that this article does a good job of showing the principle at:
1Corinthians 15:
46 Nevertheless, the first is, not that which is spiritual, but that which is physical, afterward that which is spiritual.
Enjoyed your insights.
Joe