Thursday, February 14, 2013

Great Tribulation

[I suggest first reading about the basic cause, and agents, of the Great Tribulation, at this link: (http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-greatest-tribulation-why.html)]
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A COMMENT WHICH WAS LEFT AT http://4womaninthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/02/the-sign-of-son-of-man.html:

This may be a possibility. A great tribulation will come upon the people of the earth, a great tribulation, such as has never been. Then the sign of the Son of man in heaven: all people on earth will see this sign. The last trumpet will blow, and all that is anointed in the tombs will stand up, and all anointed living will soon afterwards be transformed along with them, turned into spirits. The angels will take them and bring them to Jesus, they will meet Jesus in the air. Afterwards they will with Jesus shatter this world.”

MY REPLY:

I get the impression that you believe that the great tribulation is something the entire world will go through. You make many assumptions without scriptural backing. You may have taken with you, your outer garment (Matt.24:17,18). This is a former identity, while marked by the lies of the “Beast” 
(LINK)
(Rev.13:16,17,18  --- pearl-666.blogspot.com).

When the Bible tells us that this great tribulation is to come upon the entire inhabited “earth” (God's "footstool"/"dwelling place"/"Temple") (Luke 21:35; Matt.5:34,35; Ps.132:7-9; Eph.2:22,19; 1Cor.3:16; John18:36; Jer.25:29; 1Chron.21:16), this is not speaking of Satan’s world. That world and it’s prince have already been judged (John12:31). 
Luke 21:36 and Matt.24:42 address this tribulation to Christ’s slaves. If you accept the context there; this tribulation decides who is “taken” to Christ, and who is “abandoned”. Jesus does not say that they are “taken” to a literal location of heaven, while those abandoned are destroyed. At Luke 17:37 (read the context) we are clearly told that those taken receive spiritual food. 
("Eagles or Vultures"?)
Those abandoned are left behind and shut out. This is also illustrated in the 10 virgin parable (Matt.25:11,12)

You forget that those under Satan’s power are already dead. Spiritually speaking, they have never even received “life” (1John2:17). Even the anointed are straining and hoping to gain life (Rev.3:11; James 1:12; 1Pet.4:18). These are the ones being tested by this great tribulation (Luke 21:36; Rev.2:10; 3:1; 7:14). There is no testing for those already dead (Eph.2:1,2; Col.2:13; 1Pet.4:3; 1Tim.5:6). Those whom Satan demands to test, are the heirs (Luke 22:31; Rev.12:17; 1Pet.5:8; Eph.6:12). These are the only ones who pose a threat to Satan’s continuing reign (Rom.16:20; Rev.12:10,11).

The “sign of the son of man” appears in “heaven” (Matt.24:30). This “heaven” is compared to “clouds” (Luke 21:27; Mark 13:26; Heb.12:1; Jude 1:14; 2Thess.1:7,10). How will this "cloud" emit "power and great glory"? That glory is defined at John1:14, as "grace" and "truth". That same truth is what empowers that cloud of witnesses to conquer Satan (Luke 10:19).
Who sees this sign of the Son of Man?
When this sign was projected for all God’s people to see in the first Century (Matt.16:4; 12:40; 26:64; Mark 16:19; Luke 22:69); did they all recognize its meaning? (see Matt.16:1,2,3)
Physically seeing and spiritually perceiving are two different things (Mark 4:12; Matt.13:13). Even in the first Century when Christ fulfilled this very same sign, few were capable of perceiving it’s meaning, though all of God’s people “saw” it (Zech.12:10; Luke 16:31). Jesus said that "at an hour that you do not think it to be", the son of man is coming (to inspect his household). If the anointed slaves must stay awake, and will have difficulty identifying this period; how will the "blind" lacking faith discern the hour? (Isa.42:18,19; 43:8; Luke 12:40; Rom.11:20; 1Cor.10:12; 2Pet.3:17; Col.2:8) --Much less those of Satan's world (1Pet.4:18).
Remember, that this is a "sign"... not an obvious world-wide event (Luke 17:20,21; 2Cor.5:20). When the "two witnesses" fulfill this sign in the time of the end, it does not say that the whole world will know it. It says that fear gripped "those who saw them" (Rev.11:11). This is just the same as how it happened with Christ. *(see scriptures below) When we are told that "all the tribes will beat themselves in lamentation" (Matt.24:30); who are these? (see Rev.5:9; 7:9). The final two prophets don sackcloth in mourning and repentance (Rev.11:3). They are faint out of fear over what is to come upon God's wayward people (Luke 21:26; Isa.28:14,22,19; Luke19:41,42,43,44; Lam.2:15).

When this sign of the son of man comes upon the “earth” (LINK) in the time of the end….not all in the world will perceive it (John 14:22; Acts 10:40,41). As was the case in the first century, the Christ’s actual death was in view of God’s Nation alone (Not all over the globe). Only those who witnessed Christ’s death and realized what it meant, beat themselves in lamentation *(John16:20; 19:25,26; Luke 23:27,46,47,48,49; Mark 16:10).
All the world does not take note when one of Christ’s brothers is “killed” and thrown out of the Congregation (Isa.66:5; John16:2; Rev.11:2; Dan.7:25; 12:7; Matt.24:15; Isa.52:1). But all those around them, do see it. In fact, it is announced publicly (Rev.11:7,8,9,10). Do they realize what this means? They don’t have a clue that following this course of Christ is a requirement for being sealed (Rev.6:9,10,11; Heb.13:13), nor that these who are persecuted for righteousness sake, are “the least” of Christ’s brothers.

You say that the angels will take the anointed to Jesus. This is not what the Bible says. The anointed who have received life, are the angels. Jesus himself collects them to himself, through the angelic reaper prophets (Matt.13:39; John4:36; 2Cor.9:6; Matt.9:37,38; Rev.14:15,16,17,18,19; 14:6). Can you see that these “angels” (Greek for “messenger”), are human anointed slaves of Christ? This gathering (reaping) to Christ, is spiritual, not physical. That gathering place has been prepared for them by Christ (Matt.11:28; John7:37; 14:2,3; 12:26; 14:4,18,28; Rev.12:6; John14:23; Rev.3:20; Matt.24:28; Heb.13:13).

You conclude by saying that “Afterwards they will with Jesus shatter this world.”

Are you saying that Jesus and his Bride are destroyers? You are mistaken (John10:10; Rev.9:11; Heb.2:14). Satan is the manslayer and destroyer (John8:44). He is the only one to do such things. Judgment is passed through how one responds to Christ through his ambassadors (John13:20; Matt.10:40,41; 25:45,46; John12:48). But this says nothing about the actual execution. “Fire” is not physical and literal, previous to actual death. (LINK)
What matters is whether or not we have divine protection from that one (Matt.6:13; 1Pet.1:5; 1Sam.2:9; John10:28; Eph.2:8; Prov.30:5). God abandons us to be destroyed by Satan; And rightly so if Satan is the god we have chosen (Gen.3:13,19; 2Thess.2:9,10) (LINK).
The war Jesus and his anointed messengers (angels) wage, is not physical (2Cor.10:3,4). Jesus wars with the long sword “from his mouth” (Rev.2:16; Matt.10:34; Luke 12:51; Eph.6:17; Heb.4:12). The anointed conquer Satan and his world by the same means (Rev.12:10,11).
The harvest is gathering those who will survive Satan’s murderous destruction of Jehovah’s Creation. When this harvest is completed, Satan will be free to destroy his own seed; because that is the sort of father he is.

Do you not know the spirit of our Father in heaven, who is love (1John4:8; John3:16)? When the wicked die by God’s decree; it is because these deserve to have God’s protection removed from them (Gen.3:24). But the manslayer, is Satan. His heavens and earth are already stored up for judgment (2Pet.3:7,9,10,11; 1Pet.4:7). We await a new heavens and earth filled with righteousness…..the “New Creation” (2Pet.3:13; 2Cor.5:17; Isa.43:19; Gal.6:15; Eph.4:24; Rev.21:4,5). This will replace the old creation, which Satan corrupted, and which he himself will destroy. Christ and his "Bride" bring healing (not destruction) to the Nations (Rev.22:2,17).
I hope you are not teaching others these demonic and God dishonoring errors. For such works, there will be an accounting (Matt.12:36; 2Cor.5:10; Matt.16:27; 25:40; James 3:1).

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