Wednesday, November 21, 2012


Regarding your explanation of "heaven"....I saw that meaning also, thank you – this is truly food at the right time. I think I speak for all when I say thanks for the solid food you passing over to us that Jehovah has blessed you with.

To be honest with you, it all makes sense but as we keep reading and searching for the precious truths more question arise.

1.  How does the scripture Rus brought up fit in with what you said? -( Luke 10:18 ) He replied, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven”

2.  And looking back at Rev 12 where exactly is she before she gives birth? To me it seems like she is in the presence of Jah together with the Dragon as he waits in anticipation for the male child to be delivered.

May Jehovah and his reigning King prove to be with you in these difficult times.


I am happy to reply to these questions, because that which Jesus was expressing at Luke10:18 was a reason for joy to both Christ, and to us today!
To appreciate why Jesus declared that Satan was "already falling" at Luke10:18, we need to consider the context of that verse. I will insert scriptural verses to help define the meaning of it's phrases.
16 He who hears you hears Me, he who rejects you rejects Me, and he who rejects Me rejects Him who sent Me.”
     (Matt.10:40,20; 2Cor.5:20; Rev.6:9; 20:4)
17 Then the seventy returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name.”
                This tells us that when these "70" were in union with Christ ("in your name"), while they bore
                 testimony/preached/bore witness...Satan and his demons were made impotent. It was through this
                 witnessing in union with Christ, that Satan began to lose his power, and "fall" from "heaven" (his 
                 previous full authority and power over the earth.
                    With each anointed one who joins the ranks of faithfulness, by means of unity with Christ and 
                 witnessing to truth, Satan loses ground. (see Rev.12:11,10)
                 Eventually, this spiritual war/enmity (Gen.3:15), will end in victory for Christ and 
                 his brothers (the "woman's seed"), when all 144,000 are completed (Rev.12:7,8,9)
                    It is important to note at Rev.12:11, that the means by which Satan "falls", is the bearing
                 witness in union with Christ, even in the face of death. This takes us back to Luke10:17. Do you
                 see that the demons lost power in the face of those who were preaching in Jesus' name?
                 The exact same spiritual weapon, makes Satan fall, at Rev.12:11.
18 And He said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 
                 (Rev.12:9,10) Can you see that Jesus says this in response to the news of the 70 who were
                  sent out to preach? Here Jesus is telling us, that Satan and his demons "fall", by means of
                  bearing witness in his name. This is confirmed at Rev.12:11,10.
                     In the spirit realm, Jehovah's will is accomplished by righteous deeds that satisfy His 
                  divine justice. Time as we know it becomes irrelevant in the spirit realm. The fact that the first
                  70 began their effective war against the world dominion of Satan, (and the fact that Jesus knew
                  the eventual outcome), was enough for Jesus to declare the joyous results of this successful work
                  of the woman's seed. When the remnant follow the same pattern of victory and the last of these
                  are sealed.....Satan's fall from heaven is completed. The ground he stood upon, is gone. He can
                  no longer accuse any of those invited. For, the complete number are now tested, and 
                  victoriously sealed.
19 Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you. 
         Jesus gives an unmistakable clue to the to the end-time enemy they 
                  have been given power over. These "serpents" and "scorpions" are precisely the ones holding
                  them captive while they are spiritually asleep....overcome by the "wine" of the Harlot's "adulteries".
                  If you consider Rev.9:3,5,10 , Matt.23:33 and John8:44 then you will see the application. These
                  "scorpions" who were given "crowns" of authority (Rev.9:3,7) are the means by which Satan rules the Chosen
                  remnant, while they are yet UNsealed. At Luke10:19 Jesus tells the remnant that they are released from the power of Satan's
                  agents. This is confirmed at Rev.9:13,14.
20 Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather rejoice because your names are written in heaven.”
                  And now Jesus assures all anointed...whenever they may have lived...that when they are set free
                  from subjection to men, and ride forth to bear witness in union with Christ; they are then sealed!!!
(Their name is "written in heaven" Luke10:20; Heb.12:23,22; Eph.2:6; Rev.12:5)
                  (also Rev.6:9,10,11; 19:8; 12:11.10; 20:4,6)

So... can you see why Jesus made that declaration at Luke10:18, right after the first disciples bore truthful witness in the warfare against Satan's agents of deception? (2Cor.10:3,4; 1Tim.6:12; Eph.6:12)
That war/enmity, is finally won with the last of the remnant, and is described in the book of Revelation.

---------------------------------------Now for your second question.............................................

2. And looking back at Rev 12 where exactly is she before she gives birth? To me it seems like she is in the presence of Jah together with the Dragon as he waits in anticipation for the male child to be delivered.

We are directly told where the woman is previous to the birth of her firstborn son,
Rev.12:1,2 read:
"Now a great  sign  appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. 2 Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth."

The woman is "in heaven". But remember, this woman is not yet made of people. She is a "sign"...a promise...a hope....a covenant ( She is rightly seen in heaven, because this promise has authority and power. Why? Because this promise was decreed by Almighty God, at Gen.3:15 and Gal.4:26. 
This "woman"/Covenant is not consciously in "agony to give birth"...but those becoming her on earth, are (John16:20,21,22,23). Because of belonging to this mother covenant, they can feel the pain of bringing forth the kingdom, through the spiritual war they have with Satan (Rev.12:17; John16:33).
They also love their mother that they work under pain and persecution, to care for her needs (Rev.12:6; 11:3).

It is only after this promise is fulfilled (the woman gave birth to the full number/all sealed), that she is then seen on earth, in the same vicinity as Satan. This is because after the full 144000 of all anointed have been sealed (both the physically living and those physically dead)...the only living part of the fulfilled covenant/materialized woman/Jerusalem the sealed remnant then alive ON EARTH...waging the war with Satan's demonic lies/earth (James3:15). 
I hope this is not too confusing. I am trying hard to be clear. Please let me know if you understand.

Thank you for your excellent follow-up questions,


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